INPUT =OUTPUT (REAL LIFE EVALUATION)

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Quote from: maxreish on June 29, 2021, 03:57:08 PM

Unfortunately, those scenario indeed is happening in real life. We take actions, efforts but sometimes those were not enough and doesnt satisfy other person. We showed empathy to those who has less output than the input but the significant result should be felt as satisfaction and fair.

Sometimes, life is so harsh but being wise, being not that emotional will probably help us to improve our self in terms of acceptance of situation and life's positive approach.

This is by far the norm, as I explained before this is even true in physics, a lot of energy is wasted all the time, even your body is not exempt from this, every day your body wastes a great deal of energy that you consume and only uses a portion of it, so it is natural that if we want to get a certain result we need to put a lot more effort than what it may seem necessary at first, and when we add that you are not playing on your own and that other people want the same thing then this increases the costs as well.

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i used to work in a hard working environment because i used to be a worker but my hard work was never recognized , even when i used my mind to make money it was not recognized because I have learned the lesson that in any environment, it requires communication relationships as well as social ,status, and justice never comes to me even though I have worked very hard, but the evaluation the price on that is just 0 . Its value is related to many factors, it is not possible that only hard work can get you what you deserve for that hard work.

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Input = output is an ideal that would only work if the one that actually leads the workforce, business or whatever that is that pays you was not human. A system of sorts that would pay you based on whatever input you actually yielded and would judge you on an equal and fair basis, that's the prerequisite of what you actually want. Sadly, the world is run by humans, developed by humans, and corrupted by humans. The term dog eat dog world is actually quite apt here, and it totally contradicts the idea of input = output. It's like that equal sign between input and output hold an enormous amount of influence depending on your circumstances that are actually ignored by whoever says it to encourage others.

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Quote from: Mondiba on June 21, 2021, 11:51:38 AM

How true is this saying that Reaction is equal to Action in real life evaluation
(Case study "wheelbarrow pusher)
Consider how this men hustle on daily bases to get to make ends meet.
Consider a recharge card seller who buys card of 1000 and get 15 naira as profit.
Consider vendors who stand by the road side and customer will only read the newspaper without buying.
An individual working for his boss and his effort is not seen by his boss.
Using these evaluations and some other which you have come across a how true is the saying that INPUT=OUTPUT.

Your post was a bit hard for me to understand, because of the way it was written. But I think what you’re trying to say here is that the level of effort or hard work we put into something determines what we get in return. Well I don’t really think that is the case, if that’s what you’re trying to say. That’s not how it works. That’s why all those people you have described here will put in a lot of work and still won’t get rich.

The cleaner in a restaurant might work harder than his manager, but that doesn’t mean that at the end of the month he is going to get paid more than the manager. So, it doesn’t really have to do with hard work, you can work hard but still remain poor. So, you have to be smart. Instead of working hard , you have to work smart. You have to think smart; think of ideas and ways that you can do something and do it better and also earn more from it. So it’s not just about working hard, because working hard doesn’t get you much.

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Unfortunately, those scenario indeed is happening in real life. We take actions, efforts but sometimes those were not enough and doesnt satisfy other person. We showed empathy to those who has less output than the input but the significant result should be felt as satisfaction and fair.

Sometimes, life is so harsh but being wise, being not that emotional will probably help us to improve our self in terms of acceptance of situation and life's positive approach.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 25, 2021, 06:16:33 PM

Working hard shouldn't really be enough to take you anywhere out of poverty. Working hard paired with working smart will surely take you somewhere if you consistently do so. Unfortunately, a lot of people only work hard but not applying some techniques to work smart, hence not really maximizing their effort to produce the best results. Most of those at the top currently paired working hard and working smart consistently. It took them some time to do so but their results speak for themselves.

Life is never fair, hence you need to make some adjustments on your playstyle to at least level the playing field on your favor.

I think that working hard should be enough to get you out of poverty and give you a decent enough life, however if you can combine working hard with working smart then success awaits you, it is just a matter of time as those people generally have an idea that gives them the chance to produce more output with less effort making them more efficient and giving them an edge over their competitors, which will have no choice but to give them a piece of the market share as they are better than them.

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Working hard shouldn't really be enough to take you anywhere out of poverty. Working hard paired with working smart will surely take you somewhere if you consistently do so. Unfortunately, a lot of people only work hard but not applying some techniques to work smart, hence not really maximizing their effort to produce the best results. Most of those at the top currently paired working hard and working smart consistently. It took them some time to do so but their results speak for themselves.

Life is never fair, hence you need to make some adjustments on your playstyle to at least level the playing field on your favor.

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As what we'll usually hear from the comparison of people's life.

"Life is unfair".

If you know how to play smart, you'll be at the top. Before, it's like this, you work hard and get rich.

But now, you work smart and you'll be rich.

Despite being smart, it is still needing to have a tandem with hard work before you'll be at the top. And that's the output that you have put which is the effort and thinking you've made as the input.

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Quote from: Mondiba on June 21, 2021, 11:51:38 AM

How true is this saying that Reaction is equal to Action in real life evaluation
(Case study "wheelbarrow pusher)
Consider how this men hustle on daily bases to get to make ends meet.
Consider a recharge card seller who buys card of 1000 and get 15 naira as profit.
Consider vendors who stand by the road side and customer will only read the newspaper without buying.
An individual working for his boss and his effort is not seen by his boss.
Using these evaluations and some other which you have come across a how true is the saying that INPUT=OUTPUT.

This is not even true in physics so I do not see how this could be true in our social interactions, for example when you put gasoline in a car most of the energy contained in that gasoline is wasted and only a portion of it is used for the purpose of actually moving the car, and when we take into account inertia and the fact that if you want to put the car in movement or stop it when it is already moving you need to use even more energy then the waste increases, and something similar happens with our lives, as most of our efforts are wasted which is why working hard is necessary to become successful in almost anything in order to overcome that waste.

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Quote from: Mondiba on June 21, 2021, 11:51:38 AM

Using these evaluations and some other which you have come across a how true is the saying that INPUT=OUTPUT.

Going by my observations, it's not always the case, and it depends a lot on what's been put in (input) and the expected returns (output); people can put in quite a lot of effort into whatsoever they are doing, but with little end product. The thing is, OP you're mistaken 'hard work' for efficiency, the fact that one engages in menial jobs doesn't mean such person is putting in an awful amount of effort into what they are doing, and even if they are, then output would not be sufficient cause the input is prolly not what is required by the society in such a given time.

Having said that, individuals who 'work smart' may not look like they are putting in an awful amount of effort into what they are doing, but they actually are, what society needs right now is solution to problems, and it's the individuals who 'work smart' that provides such solution, take the case of Bitcoin, the effort and hard work put in by Satoshi must have been enormous, but it wasn't open for everyone to see, but the output speaks for itself as it solved quite a lot of problems when it comes to finance.

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Action = reaction only applicable to physics, about Newton's law, and input = output is only true on Carnot machine. A "wise quote" isn't necessarily applicable to real life work situation. When you see that your hard work didn't end up gave you expected return, it means that something loss due to inefficiency. What makes you inefficient? Is it the method? Or simply you are not suitable in that particular work? That's why people who are successful often called highly efficient individual, high performance individual, highly productive people, etc.

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Quote from: inoes on June 22, 2021, 06:14:05 PM

In the past, when we were young, we were trained to be able to work hard, and now as adults we are trained to be able to work smart. but for today's era it seems both are not so relevant. because working hard has been represented by robots and sophisticated industrial equipment. while intelligence has been represented by artificial intelligence. so humans just have to be smarter than their artificial intelligence. to be able to control both

Well, IMO it's a common misbelief that most of the work can be substituted with machines. If we're talking about automatic and easy work (e.g. lifting heavy weights, cashier, and so on) then yes, machines would, in fact, be even better at this than humans.
But when it comes to intelligent work - AI isn't nearly as advanced as people, especially when it comes to decision-making as not always the most rational (by certain parameters) decision is the best one, and that's a big problem and that's one of the major reasons machines will never be able to do management-like work.
Another thing that will probably always be done by humans is inventions and developmental work. AI can accumulate a large number of data, compare, sort, eliminate, synthesize, but it will never invent something better than people (smart and creative people) can. Because, once again, sometimes the answer to a certain problem can be found where no one would think it could be (some life experience, analogies with other fields, not relevant to the certain problem), and, thus, it wouldn't be implemented in the algo. Only people have that naturally built-in.

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It really depends on demand and supply. There will be much competition In a place where you have lots of people doing thesame business, but those that are providing better services will likely earn more and thrive in the business. ... doesn't really matter how small or large the business is.
Better to ask business owners to provide unique and better services to attract customers,or they should probably look for different businesses to try if there are lots of people doing thesame business they prefer to do ... When you have plenty of people doing the same business and there aren't sufficient demand for the service the business provides, the business owners will struggle to sell unless they offer better services that customers can afford.
Not a good idea to discourage people from working hard even when they earn sufficiently from the hard work...And don't make them feel like they are working too hard...I have noticed that what may look too hard to a person maybe little work to others until you start making the person feel like people don't need to work that hard to earn a living , then this could start encouraging laziness and even making City jobs more attractive even though lots of them make you live sedentary lifestyle and too dependent

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I did experience a good one with my manager before. Good input with everything I do and the output was also good, bringing me in a good position in the company.
I think it depends on the environment of every individual. If you don't like what's happening on daily basis then you could let it go and find a new one.
Some people do achieve higher positions using their "inputs" but they still let it go because they are not enjoying it.
Everything should be considered and that includes your happiness, I mean, especially that.

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In the past, when we were young, we were trained to be able to work hard, and now as adults we are trained to be able to work smart. but for today's era it seems both are not so relevant. because working hard has been represented by robots and sophisticated industrial equipment. while intelligence has been represented by artificial intelligence. so humans just have to be smarter than their artificial intelligence. to be able to control both

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If you are working for a salary which is fixed for a week, biweekly or month then you are going to what you are agreed to get paid no matter how much work you had done, but if you are running a business which can even be a road side shop then you will get profits as much as you put efforts for it, so doing hard work is not enough since you need to do it in the smart way as well.

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In most cases, it doesn't quite work like that. Especially for lower classes and people from developing countries. You can work really hard, 12 hours per day with no weekends, and still have a low salary and overall life quality. That's the sad truth, there's not much justice.

But on the other hand, if you really try hard and work even harder, not just work but have specific aims, plan thoroughly how to achieve your goals, become committed, and don't give up - I think, in the end, life will reward you. Not because of some world laws, karma, etc, but simply because if you try hard enough - you will always get what you want, at least that is what I have found.

For instance, one can use knowledge and education to move from a developing country to another place, try to get a good job, and gradually increase the level of life. Then, possibly, work on some projects, try to start a business, become more independent, increase the income, and so on. It's not easy, but it's possible.

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The answer is a factor of class warfare.

Self interests of the wealthy are aligned with paying workers as little as possible, for as much work as possible, to maximize their profits.

While self interests of the 99% are aligned with wanting to be paid as much as possible, for as little work as possible.

The majority of political, economic and financial conflicts can be defined by class warfare between creeds. Struggles between the 1% and 99% whose self interests are naturally opposed.

How well either demographic communicates, organizes and cooperates to achieve these shared goals, defines wage and wealth equality. Which (in general) defines how many options and opportunities the average person has. And many other circumstances.

Workers paid little, despite hard work, over long periods of time is (generally) correlated with a low capacity to communicate, organize or cooperate. As well as high levels of corruption, communication and organization among the ruling class. Of course there are other variables which are relevant here. Which can sway balance in one direction or the other.

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There is nothing like "input=output". Fairness, justice, equity and perhaps Karma (me not expert), are just human concepts, an ideal to which we strive to reach as a species and as a global community. However, life and nature have no consideration for these - hence the effort we have to make to reach these ideals.

If you speak about work examples, it is even more clear than more work is not equal to more wealth or recognition. In fact, in life pays to work smart rather than to work a lot. A great effort in the wrong direction gets you nowhere, while the right effort at the right moment in the right direction will get you to your goals. Wisdom is to tell the first case from the second.

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This is definitely a sad truth. You can work hard as much as you want but at the end of the day it's dependent on not just your hardwork but other situations too. A vendor works harder than anyone but still earns like 1/100th ! There is many disparities in the market. It's dependent on your education, inheritance, family status , political power, your job etc.. Honestly you cannot have a common formula.
I do think that life is definitely easier for people who belongs to well established families, on the contrary the poor and the middle class have to suffer a lot to make ends meet.
I do not think that input= output for everyone, I do know so because I have experienced it and have been experiencing it since I was a child. But I surely believe that there is one thing that can normalize everything which is *education*.

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