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Quote from: hugeblack on May 04, 2024, 01:16:00 AM

Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 11:01:19 AM

You are right but as "TelegramBOT" i am the only one Grin

this is the reason i advertise myself as the first REAL NO KYC swap (on telegram for the moment).
And i hope one day to add 1 onion competitor to eXch and TradeOgre as there is NO other competition as websites in the market.

You have an additional advantage, which is the service fee. 2% is cheap compared to XMR exchanges service fee which is +3%.
Submitting a signed message stating your reserves and proving that you have sufficient liquidity will help you to promote your service.

We not have reserves to show because we use an exchange NO KYC to perform the trades we use their orderbook at the moment.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 03, 2024, 11:56:47 PM

Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 05:20:11 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 03, 2024, 04:34:26 AM

Your service runs at the mercy of Telegram. Whatever you're claiming here, your bot is bound to comply with Telegram's terms. I suggest that you finish your website first and come back here with your big claims.

Marketing terms like "first", "truly", "real", and so on are not only overused, they're also misused and abused.

As regards KYC, it's more or less black and white. It's either there's KYC or none at all. I don't understand those phrases like truly no KYC and really no KYC.

ChangeNOW is claiming to be NO KYC but they are doing KYC when they wish to and for random reasons.

my service (still work in progress), exch and tradogre theses are TRULY NO KYC!

You understand the difference? and why theses 3 services are the only available on the web as real NO KYC services.
Everything else is bullshit, every other service/exchange out there pretending to be NO KYC are NOT.

If a platform claims to be a non-KYC platform but its terms and conditions include KYC, then it isn't a non-KYC platform. It's as plain and simple as that. It's kind of absurd to recognize them as non-KYC platforms and then promote another as truly or really non-KYC platform because it doesn't have any KYC terms in its user agreement unlike the others.

ChangeNOW is a KYC platform, along with so many others with the same no-KYC claims. They should be lumped together with the rest of KYC platforms regardless of their marketing lies.

I totally agree with you i even wonder why kycnot.me list them and mislead people about them (changeNOW simpleswap and others). It put customers funds at risk because they expect NO KYC.

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Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 11:01:19 AM

You are right but as "TelegramBOT" i am the only one Grin

this is the reason i advertise myself as the first REAL NO KYC swap (on telegram for the moment).
And i hope one day to add 1 onion competitor to eXch and TradeOgre as there is NO other competition as websites in the market.

You have an additional advantage, which is the service fee. 2% is cheap compared to XMR exchanges service fee which is +3%.
Submitting a signed message stating your reserves and proving that you have sufficient liquidity will help you to promote your service.

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Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 05:20:11 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on May 03, 2024, 04:34:26 AM

Your service runs at the mercy of Telegram. Whatever you're claiming here, your bot is bound to comply with Telegram's terms. I suggest that you finish your website first and come back here with your big claims.

Marketing terms like "first", "truly", "real", and so on are not only overused, they're also misused and abused.

As regards KYC, it's more or less black and white. It's either there's KYC or none at all. I don't understand those phrases like truly no KYC and really no KYC.

ChangeNOW is claiming to be NO KYC but they are doing KYC when they wish to and for random reasons.

my service (still work in progress), exch and tradogre theses are TRULY NO KYC!

You understand the difference? and why theses 3 services are the only available on the web as real NO KYC services.
Everything else is bullshit, every other service/exchange out there pretending to be NO KYC are NOT.

If a platform claims to be a non-KYC platform but its terms and conditions include KYC, then it isn't a non-KYC platform. It's as plain and simple as that. It's kind of absurd to recognize them as non-KYC platforms and then promote another as truly or really non-KYC platform because it doesn't have any KYC terms in its user agreement unlike the others.

ChangeNOW is a KYC platform, along with so many others with the same no-KYC claims. They should be lumped together with the rest of KYC platforms regardless of their marketing lies.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 03, 2024, 10:20:52 AM

Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 10:03:52 AM

As you was saying that there is plenty of NO KYC exchanges in the web i would like to know what they are? i don't know them so please share them with everyone.

I didn't say there were plenty, I said there are several of them. eXch, Bisq, and TradeOgre are already several exchanges.

You have Robosats for bitcoin over the lightning network.
Unstoppable Swaps can help for Bitcoin to Monero atomic swaps.
There is one called Blockdx but I don't know anything about it.
Boltz exchange is for swaps between bitcoin, LN BTC, and liquid bitcoin.
Peach Bitcoin is KYC-free for amounts up to 1000 CHF.

Like I said in my PM, there is a longer list on KYCnot.me.

You are right but as "TelegramBOT" i am the only one Grin

this is the reason i advertise myself as the first REAL NO KYC swap (on telegram for the moment).
And i hope one day to add 1 onion competitor to eXch and TradeOgre as there is NO other competition as websites in the market.

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Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 10:03:52 AM

As you was saying that there is plenty of NO KYC exchanges in the web i would like to know what they are? i don't know them so please share them with everyone.

I didn't say there were plenty, I said there are several of them. eXch, Bisq, and TradeOgre are already several exchanges.

You have Robosats for bitcoin over the lightning network.
Unstoppable Swaps can help for Bitcoin to Monero atomic swaps.
There is one called Blockdx but I don't know anything about it.
Boltz exchange is for swaps between bitcoin, LN BTC, and liquid bitcoin.
Peach Bitcoin is KYC-free for amounts up to 1000 CHF.

Like I said in my PM, there is a longer list on KYCnot.me.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 03, 2024, 09:54:29 AM

Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 03:52:24 AM

Sir this is again a proxy of ChangeNOW as usual the worst swap who exsist out there that does shotgun KYC to his customers. what is the point to advertise in my post this kind of dangerous exchanges?

Did I not state in my post that it's a partner exchange of ChangeNOW? It says so clearly. I am not advertising it. You asked me over PM about other exchanges. That's it. I am well aware of ChangeNOW's fake claims like being non-custodial. I am also aware of their selective scamming, which has been documented on this forum in the past.

I was asking you about any other exchange you would know that are really NO KYC like exch or tradeogre. do you know even 1 other? maybe bisq but its a software so its hard to use for new users.

For me any exchange that claims that are NO KYC and then selective scam/shotgunKYC customers are not to be talked about so PNNV or any proxies of fakes "NO KYC" exchanges it is not what i was looking for.
As you was saying that there is plenty of NO KYC exchanges in the web i would like to know what they are? i don't know them so please share them with everyone.

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Quote from: SwapBay on May 03, 2024, 03:52:24 AM

Sir this is again a proxy of ChangeNOW as usual the worst swap who exsist out there that does shotgun KYC to his customers. what is the point to advertise in my post this kind of dangerous exchanges?

Did I not state in my post that it's a partner exchange of ChangeNOW? It says so clearly. I am not advertising it. You asked me over PM about other exchanges. That's it. I am well aware of ChangeNOW's fake claims like being non-custodial. I am also aware of their selective scamming, which has been documented on this forum in the past.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 03, 2024, 04:34:26 AM

Your service runs at the mercy of Telegram. Whatever you're claiming here, your bot is bound to comply with Telegram's terms. I suggest that you finish your website first and come back here with your big claims.

Marketing terms like "first", "truly", "real", and so on are not only overused, they're also misused and abused.

As regards KYC, it's more or less black and white. It's either there's KYC or none at all. I don't understand those phrases like truly no KYC and really no KYC.

ChangeNOW is claiming to be NO KYC but they are doing KYC when they wish to and for random reasons.

my service (still work in progress), exch and tradogre theses are TRULY NO KYC!

You understand the difference? and why theses 3 services are the only available on the web as real NO KYC services.
Everything else is bullshit, every other service/exchange out there pretending to be NO KYC are NOT.

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Your service runs at the mercy of Telegram. Whatever you're claiming here, your bot is bound to comply with Telegram's terms. I suggest that you finish your website first and come back here with your big claims.

Marketing terms like "first", "truly", "real", and so on are not only overused, they're also misused and abused.

As regards KYC, it's more or less black and white. It's either there's KYC or none at all. I don't understand those phrases like truly no KYC and really no KYC.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 02, 2024, 11:35:57 AM

@SwapBay
You asked me over PM the other day what other no KYC exchanges there are besides those mentioned on kycnot.me and I forgot to reply back. You can check out what one of our forum members, agentF, offers through his instant exchange PNNV.com. This isn't exactly a no KYC exchange because it's a partner service of ChangeNOW, but agentF accepts full responsibility if ChangeNOW blocks your funds and will find a solution to pay you the money back.

Sir this is again a proxy of ChangeNOW as usual the worst swap who exsist out there that does shotgun KYC to his customers. what is the point to advertise in my post this kind of dangerous exchanges?
What i offer is not to "guarantee" witch is fake because if i go swap there 1 BTC and get shotgun KYC by changeNOW trough that proxy PNNV website you can be 100% sure that i will be forced to provide KYC documents and extended proofs of where theses BTC comes from.
They would never "guaranee" me for theses kinds of amounts.

Please understand that i started with this telegram BOT who is the ONLY Telegram BOT NO KYC in the web.
And in the future with the website we will offer the only other exchange REALLY NO KYC from 2 available on the web only exch and tradeogre everything else is just Binance or ChangeNOW proxy exchanges with KYC at the end of the swap unless your funds ALREADY comes from an exchange first.

I am not sure if you see the difference between real NO KYC exchange and theses wannabe proxies of Binance.

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@SwapBay
You asked me over PM the other day what other no KYC exchanges there are besides those mentioned on kycnot.me and I forgot to reply back. You can check out what one of our forum members, agentF, offers through his instant exchange PNNV.com. This isn't exactly a no KYC exchange because it's a partner service of ChangeNOW, but agentF accepts full responsibility if ChangeNOW blocks your funds and will find a solution to pay you the money back.

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Quote from: hugeblack on April 28, 2024, 10:07:31 PM

Quote from: SwapBay on April 28, 2024, 07:36:15 AM

The IP address logged can be a Tor IP and from BTC to XMR once you get the XMR it not matter where they have the address where it is deposited it makes fully anonymous the XMR received.

It can still be traced. When you use the same bot, Telegram knows, the deposit address of the first transaction (Bitcoin), the withdrawal address of the first transaction (Monero), the deposit address of the second transaction (Monero), the withdrawal address of the second transaction (Bitcoin). Telegram servers can prepare a list. With your addresses and linking them to your Telegram account, therefore, even if you use Monero, they still know the deposit address for the first transaction and the withdrawal address for the second transaction.
Privacy can be enhanced by using more than one Telegram account, but you still use the same Telegram bot, as Telegram can collect all addresses and all exchange records.

Monero is not ment to be used as a proxy for Bitcoin to get cleaned Bitcoins.
Once you got Monero and you use it as payment method it not matter if the BTC sended to receive the XMR are traced because the XMR received can be used with full anonymity anyway.
But i agree with you Telegram is not great for metadata privacy leak.

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Quote from: SwapBay on April 28, 2024, 07:36:15 AM

The IP address logged can be a Tor IP and from BTC to XMR once you get the XMR it not matter where they have the address where it is deposited it makes fully anonymous the XMR received.

It can still be traced. When you use the same bot, Telegram knows, the deposit address of the first transaction (Bitcoin), the withdrawal address of the first transaction (Monero), the deposit address of the second transaction (Monero), the withdrawal address of the second transaction (Bitcoin). Telegram servers can prepare a list. With your addresses and linking them to your Telegram account, therefore, even if you use Monero, they still know the deposit address for the first transaction and the withdrawal address for the second transaction.
Privacy can be enhanced by using more than one Telegram account, but you still use the same Telegram bot, as Telegram can collect all addresses and all exchange records.

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Quote from: hugeblack on April 28, 2024, 05:35:50 AM

Tade fully anonymously is not an accurate phrase, as the service is a Telegram bot that records all the data and sends it to the servers, and therefore the deposit and withdrawal addresses and your IP address are registered in the Telegram servers.
Regardless of whether you do not request any data from users or whether you use BTC ---> XMR ---> BTC, we cannot say that it is a fully anonymous service as long as it is a Telegram bot.

The IP address logged can be a Tor IP and from BTC to XMR once you get the XMR it not matter where they have the address where it is deposited it makes fully anonymous the XMR received.

It is not perfect for the moment as Telegram is in the middle and can see the BTC or ETH address and txid source but to exchange for Monero it does not matter as in the end the funds are not able to trace anymore.

I still need to launch the .onion website and then it will have no more issues for the anonymity.

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Tade fully anonymously is not an accurate phrase, as the service is a Telegram bot that records all the data and sends it to the servers, and therefore the deposit and withdrawal addresses and your IP address are registered in the Telegram servers.
Regardless of whether you do not request any data from users or whether you use BTC ---> XMR ---> BTC, we cannot say that it is a fully anonymous service as long as it is a Telegram bot.

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I dont know any other REAL NO KYC exchanges on telegram besides my service, every other so called website NO KYC like changeNOW or FixedFloat or Simpleswap are just compliant exchanges that asks KYC sometimes at the end of the trade witch is un-ethical and some people call it shotgun KYC because they are just proxies of Binance or other gate.io mexc they are just totally useless as they need to follow the rules of theses exchanges.

We NEVER do theses kind of practices witch make us the FIRST NO KYC on Telegram and i know only 2 other swaper/exchanges in the whole web who have .onion or clearweb website that are aswell TRUELY NO KYC you can send me in PM if you know any more than 2.
Please just try the BOT even with a really small amount you will see the instant swap and that we NEVER stop a trade and never ask any proof of funds or KYC.

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How can you call yourself the first no-KYC exchange that doesn't require identity verification when you don't even have a working website yet? At the same time, we already have several no-KYC and TOR-supporting (instant) exchanges that have been in business for years, and their swap fees are 0.5% to 1% compared to your max of 2%.

I understand that you are trying to advertise your service as good as you can, but it can be done in a more honest way.
If you have good intentions and you are not a scammer, good luck! Hope it works out, and hopefully with lower fees. If you are dishonest and looking for a quick money-steal, then... (fill in the blanks however you want).

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You are right they will keep logs of your address but if it is a Monero address at the exit of the transaction and you can use with fragment.com and TON coin an anonymous Telegram number and username then behind Tor you can process the trade.
I understand it is really complicated to reach this anonymity and the txid will be kept by telegram servers.
But we are working on launching the website soon with a .onion at first!

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I was so excited on a yet another no KYC instant exchange only for the excitement to die down so fast because it's just a telegram bot. How can you talk about complete anonymity and telegram in one sentence?

Have you looked through their privacy policy?

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