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May 31, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
#35
I don't  want to pay annually or monthly, I want the exchange to cover my lost funds just like what Binance did. And first of all, they shouldn't let any hacking incident happen on their exchange because even these things can possibly happen, traders are still expecting it to be prevented.
Let's take an example of bittrex, it is an old exchange but never been hacked.
jr. member
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May 31, 2019, 06:53:51 PM
#34
Yeah this would be awesome should we get a platform like that but there's one huge obstacle to overcome for crypto to get there. That is to get pass regulators. Since insurance is monetary-involved and regulators don't permit such agencies to deal with crypto companies, it'd be difficult to get insured. Maybe with time and in future, we might get along and things shall be okay!
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May 31, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
#33
I look forward to see an insurance company coming up to offer policy to cryptosystem, I feel this shall bring about more security and safety of funds.

The problem is that we probably need *many* insurance companies to come, not only one. If it's only one, if it's no competition, they will ask unreasonably high amounts of money (probably fiat) for the insurances.
There can be no monopoly. There will certainly be competition. If we cannot have the options for insuring fund invested on the exchanges. I remember that there was Vernam with the idea of ​​insurance crypto property. unluckily. That's a big scam. What criteria will they take to compensate for the loss of investors from hackers or from people themselves? What will the ratio be? It is still an idea with many difficult questions.
hero member
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May 24, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
#32
A lot of trading exchanges have been hacked and users funds stolen leading to the closure of such an exchange, following the recent hack of the binance and 7000 btc stolen by hackers and the effect of such on btc markets, i think the trading  exchange should consider an insurance policy to cover loss in case of funds theft.
Do you think this idea with work in the cryptocurrency business?


I think that would depend on every exchange itself because I think they have their own policy related to the stolen case. Maybe if we talk about binance, they can cover the lost fund because of the hackers because that is their mistake so the hacker can steal the customer's funds. But the other exchanges could not do the same as binance. But having insurance will give more protection for the members, so they don't have any worried if somehow the exchanges get hacked.
legendary
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May 24, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
#31
A lot of trading exchanges have been hacked and users funds stolen leading to the closure of such an exchange, following the recent hack of the binance and 7000 btc stolen by hackers and the effect of such on btc markets, i think the trading  exchange should consider an insurance policy to cover loss in case of funds theft.
Do you think this idea with work in the cryptocurrency business?

This sounds like an insurance for bank deposits for depositors. Here in the Philippines there is a company called PDIC or Philippine Deposit Insurance Corporation. A bank needs to be a member of this so that the deposits of their depositors are covered but there's a limit. Lets say the coverage is up to $10,000 USD deposits. If anything happened to the bank, the deposits of the depositors are covered up to $10,000 USD, however anything above $10,000 USD will not be covered anymore. However, in Crypto exchanges, I think its going to be hard to prove that they did not hack themselves to get paid.
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May 24, 2019, 10:15:21 AM
#30
Insurance for decentralised exchange will create the same centralized face for exchanges may be centralized exchanges may occur that policy to them but I see some insurance related projects are came to the market.
You may check with policy pal team to ask such services in future security and safety.
full member
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May 24, 2019, 03:36:49 AM
#29
For insurance issues in exchange, I feel a good idea, with the aim of avoiding things that are not desirable.
But to do this, I feel a little interested in people participating
sr. member
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May 16, 2019, 03:50:26 AM
#28
the only safe wallet is hardware wallet and offline storage but if you are talking about online wallets then they arent secure because they are the still the same as trading exchange  , they can still be hacked  .
Anything online are vulnerable for hacks however storing at your wallet is more safer than storing at trading sites yet don't be assured that the site is insured since it won't cover any losses if hack happened only on your account not unless it's proven that the security of the site has been breached.

Coins in our wallet does not need any insurance since it have not been transfered to where to exchange it to either btc, eth or fiat.
Our coin shall always be send to an exchange at one point or the other since it can not be exchanged in our personal wallet.
Users should have confidence in an exchange that their funds are safe at any point or the other.
sr. member
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May 16, 2019, 03:09:41 AM
#27
the only safe wallet is hardware wallet and offline storage but if you are talking about online wallets then they arent secure because they are the still the same as trading exchange  , they can still be hacked  .
Anything online are vulnerable for hacks however storing at your wallet is more safer than storing at trading sites yet don't be assured that the site is insured since it won't cover any losses if hack happened only on your account not unless it's proven that the security of the site has been breached.
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May 14, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
#26
For me this can work but you need to verify this like if you got scam or hack but many don't like this

what do you mean by verify ? check if the exchange is really got scammed or hacked ? but it does not matter at all if its an inside job or not but as long as they wont loose the money of thier costumers  .  im sure that all like the idea of trading insurance    .

Still i think use trusted wallet here in crypto for long term like no need to think about scam or hack like don't rely or hold in trading site

the only safe wallet is hardware wallet and offline storage but if you are talking about online wallets then they arent secure because they are the still the same as trading exchange  , they can still be hacked  .
We cannot identify that an exchange is really hacked or not so no one is going to have insurance for this.Like you said trading sites are for trading so we have to move the funds to safe wallet when we are not going to trade which can save us from hacks.
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May 14, 2019, 04:32:02 AM
#25
For me this can work but you need to verify this like if you got scam or hack but many don't like this

what do you mean by verify ? check if the exchange is really got scammed or hacked ? but it does not matter at all if its an inside job or not but as long as they wont loose the money of thier costumers  .  im sure that all like the idea of trading insurance    .

Still i think use trusted wallet here in crypto for long term like no need to think about scam or hack like don't rely or hold in trading site

the only safe wallet is hardware wallet and offline storage but if you are talking about online wallets then they arent secure because they are the still the same as trading exchange  , they can still be hacked  .
hero member
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May 13, 2019, 09:38:01 PM
#24
Not impossible to do it but I guess it will be a transparent one and exchange will get the insurance money at a proper time.
For example, if an exchange acts like they have been hacked with a work of internal, how will you verify it?
The insurance company will do the job as they will cover the ensured amount.
Binance will only have to pay the insurance premium, but it's not as high as the amount of coverage.
Nothing to worry, insurance company will not allow that they will be scam, they also work to improve their business.

Again, if a true hack happen, will they get insurance money or the insurance will wait for couple of years to prove that the hack was a real one?

There is a processing time but I don't think Binance would wait until they get the fun from the insurer.
They will pay the users first and they will get the reimbursement once they get their insurance money.

Transaction is only between Binance and the insurance company, while our transaction is only between Binance.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
#23
Surely this thing has should be done bay some companies who able to do it, but in the current situation I'll bet there is no company who able to make it happen. There is many problem that will be faced by them, government's regulation, hacker factor and many thing that will make a company will think a thousand of time to do it. But, I'll believe if there is an exchange itself who become an insurer however this thing should be owned by all exchanges.

Um, just look at the two responses above yours and you can realize that there ARE some companies able to do it, and have already done it. The four exchanges in the response just above yours and then all the exchanges that have licenses in Japan. The government in Japan has issued licenses to those exchanges approved by all these regulators and one of the requirements is they must use the insurance as required by the government. So there you go. Please pay attention my friend!
This just proves out that there are people who dont make any research and even just simply try to read previous comments and just directly post up without even verifying if these things are already existing.


If ever there will be this kind of insurance that will probably expensive because of the high risk thus whoever who will avail this isn't just an ordinary shitty exchange.

It would be indeed expensive yet insuer do knows the high risk of exchangers to be hacked and no shitty exchange would really have that kind of capacity on paying up that insurance amount.
legendary
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May 11, 2019, 07:53:04 AM
#22
Not impossible to do it but I guess it will be a transparent one and exchange will get the insurance money at a proper time.
For example, if an exchange acts like they have been hacked with a work of internal, how will you verify it?
Again, if a true hack happen, will they get insurance money or the insurance will wait for couple of years to prove that the hack was a real one?
legendary
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May 11, 2019, 06:43:41 AM
#21
Surely this thing has should be done bay some companies who able to do it, but in the current situation I'll bet there is no company who able to make it happen. There is many problem that will be faced by them, government's regulation, hacker factor and many thing that will make a company will think a thousand of time to do it. But, I'll believe if there is an exchange itself who become an insurer however this thing should be owned by all exchanges.

Um, just look at the two responses above yours and you can realize that there ARE some companies able to do it, and have already done it. The four exchanges in the response just above yours and then all the exchanges that have licenses in Japan. The government in Japan has issued licenses to those exchanges approved by all these regulators and one of the requirements is they must use the insurance as required by the government. So there you go. Please pay attention my friend!
hero member
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May 11, 2019, 03:22:18 AM
#20
Insurance should be there is basic law to protects consumers funds and if there is no basic law regarding it i think it's very hard to the consumers get insurance especially for crypto exchange when some countries still debated the legality of cryptocurrency i think this will be hard to do so
Surely this thing has should be done bay some companies who able to do it, but in the current situation I'll bet there is no company who able to make it happen. There is many problem that will be faced by them, government's regulation, hacker factor and many thing that will make a company will think a thousand of time to do it. But, I'll believe if there is an exchange itself who become an insurer however this thing should be owned by all exchanges.

Unfortunately there is no exchanges who does that. Its because they know they can not guarantee the safety of the funds even when they keep the promise of having unhackable platform.  They know its not possible. Look what happen to binance, almost everyone see this exchange to be the most credible, and must be protected well but look they still encounter hacking. Though the hack just took few and they instantly being dealt and they also took responsibility to the funds taken.
hero member
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May 11, 2019, 02:52:17 AM
#19
That is not an insurance for me, lucky they have the funds to cover the lost funds, what if it's higher? or what if next time they will be hack again?
If that happens they will run out of SAFU funds, a good insurance should be catered by the third party and all funds has to be insured.
That's much better since they are also owning the funds what if there's another hacked that happened and the balance is not enough to cover the losses, it's better to have third party insurance company who will then caters the service, from that point of view the traders and investors might have an extra
confidence knowing that they are  still guarantee that the funds or part of the funds will be recover in anyhow.
legendary
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May 11, 2019, 02:15:22 AM
#18
Insurance should be there is basic law to protects consumers funds and if there is no basic law regarding it i think it's very hard to the consumers get insurance especially for crypto exchange when some countries still debated the legality of cryptocurrency i think this will be hard to do so
Surely this thing has should be done bay some companies who able to do it, but in the current situation I'll bet there is no company who able to make it happen. There is many problem that will be faced by them, government's regulation, hacker factor and many thing that will make a company will think a thousand of time to do it. But, I'll believe if there is an exchange itself who become an insurer however this thing should be owned by all exchanges.
sr. member
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May 11, 2019, 01:36:59 AM
#17
If ever there will be this kind of insurance that will probably expensive because of the high risk thus whoever who will avail this isn't just an ordinary shitty exchange.

However, as far as I know, only the fiat base are insured in a certain exchange. And ao far, there are 4 crypto exchange sites are currently insured such as;

[1] Coinbase
[2] Circle
[3] Xapo
[4] Gemini

You can see the full article here.
https://flagshipcrypto.com/which-cryptocurrency-exchanges-are-insured/
legendary
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May 10, 2019, 09:21:34 AM
#16
A lot of trading exchanges have been hacked and users funds stolen leading to the closure of such an exchange, following the recent hack of the binance and 7000 btc stolen by hackers and the effect of such on btc markets, i think the trading  exchange should consider an insurance policy to cover loss in case of funds theft.
Do you think this idea with work in the cryptocurrency business?


This is already done in Japan since they introduced cryptocurrency license for exchanges. All exchanges must get insurance from an approved insurer, to insure deposits made by customers. Just like in a real bank in most countries. IF anything happens, insurance gets paid, and customers receive back the money. I understand that it has worked but it results in high premiums from the insurance, which is passed on as costs/fees to the customers.
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