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legendary
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November 23, 2016, 05:46:43 AM
#89
Personally, I'm very skeptical and suspicious of these poorly concealed attempts at grabbing more power across the forum, at first through such "interest checks" and then by kicking up a racket about "elections" of a new global moderator...
Would you honestly prefer it if things went on entirely behind closed doors? I like things such as Interest Checks as it gives a chance for the community to say how they feel about a certain addition to the forum. If a feature is implemented into the forum that negatively affected people here it wouldn't be very good for the forum or the community, something like an interest check prevents this from happening.

If you're against the person posting them, tough; Lauda seems to be one of the few staff members trying to help things here. Posting thread such as this gives Lauda no power over anything to do with the forum without theymos' permission. If you can't trust that theymos would do the right thing, you shouldn't be here.
legendary
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November 23, 2016, 05:36:16 AM
#88
As to me, it looks more like a polite refusal than actual acceptance.
No. This is not how theymos rejects proposals.

Personally, I'm very skeptical and suspicious of these poorly concealed attempts at grabbing more power across the forum, at first through such "interest checks" and then by kicking up a racket about "elections" of a new global moderator...
This rank does not give anyone any kind of power. FYI: Theymos suggested that this thread be created. I think someone needs a tinfoil hat?
legendary
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November 23, 2016, 05:34:04 AM
#87
The proposal has been accepted (not yet implemented):

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ok, I'll add it to my to-do list and we'll see if it causes any problems

As to me, it looks more like a polite refusal than actual acceptance. In any case, we have only to wait and see now what will come out of your proposal at the end of the day. Personally, I'm very skeptical and suspicious of these poorly concealed attempts at grabbing more power across the forum, at first through such "interest checks" and then by kicking up a racket about "elections" of a new global moderator...

But maybe it is just me, after all
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November 23, 2016, 04:40:40 AM
#86
The proposal has been accepted (not yet implemented):

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ok, I'll add it to my to-do list and we'll see if it causes any problems

legendary
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November 19, 2016, 01:44:56 PM
#85
I'm speaking about those members who are purposefully crawling the forum in search of forum rules abusers, making this endeavor into their job or duty of sorts. As to me, bringing forth these wannabe moderators
I hear what you're saying.  Just want to say what I've said in other threads:  I myself am not looking to be a moderator OR to be on default trust

This still doesn't say anything in favor of adding a new Banned rank or otherwise exposing banned members to the public unless complete info about the ban is provided (as I have already said), though the benefits of that would still be highly debatable. So it is not actually relevant whether you personally (or anyone like you) want to be a moderator or not. My point is that making bans public to help people search abusers sucks as an argument in favor of such bans. Moreover, the public bans are not very encouraging themselves since they closely follow the practice which was widespread throughout medieval Europe and consisted in leaving corpses of the executed to hang along the roads till they rotted away completely...

It seems like people overall didn't change much since those cruel times

Personally i would suggest you to always add "IMHO" to your affirmations

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go
legendary
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November 19, 2016, 11:27:50 AM
#84
I'm all for the rank 'banned'. It would help for naming farmed accounts and not having to worry about them anymore. I don't see what harm could come from the new title being added to a profile so hopefully it's implemented in the new forum if not this one  Cheesy
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November 18, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
#83
I'm speaking about those members who are purposefully crawling the forum in search of forum rules abusers, making this endeavor into their job or duty of sorts. As to me, bringing forth these wannabe moderators
I hear what you're saying.  Just want to say what I've said in other threads:  I myself am not looking to be a moderator OR to be on default trust.  I don't think people should be on DT simply because they're "scam hunters".  Anyone can that, but not anyone can be part of deals and be honest, be trusted.  That's where DT members should come from--but that's my opinion and I know others disagree.  There was a hue and cry about Lutpin and Mexxer-2 being added to the list and I was sort of against Lutpin being added until I finally realized Lutpin was a campaign manager.  Now I have no problem with it whatsoever (don't know about Mexxer-2).  I'm just very against account sales and farming.  There's no good reason for that shit that I can see.  I drop neg bombs for that reason, not to sneakily advance my own status on this forum.  I'm content to be a nobody here.
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 06:51:40 PM
#82
Was there a conclusion on this?
Still trying to get a hold of theymos so I can tl;dr him and he reviews this thread.

I am very much for the feature or at least a trial of it. If it doesn't feel right then we can discontinue it but otherwise there seems little reason not to implement it.
Most of the people were supportive of this, with some raising concerns of whether it will be really useful or not.
legendary
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November 18, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
#81
Was there a conclusion on this? I am very much for the feature or at least a trial of it. If it doesn't feel right then we can discontinue it but otherwise there seems little reason not to implement it.
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November 12, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
#80
I thought this thread was primarily about permanently banning shit posters (after a warning or two), right?

Wrong:
It should save time for pretty much any party involved in addition to removing redundancy and inconsistency. This helps people that are hunting account farmers, spammers or just any other kind of rule-breaking users. I could see potential harm in doing this with temporarily banned accounts, but it seems pretty okay to do it with permanently banned ones IMO.
both matters are being discussed

the trust system is not the question discussed in this thread as far as I can see.

it was an attempt of mine to contribute with a hopefully constructive proposal in a thread about the future of the forum. I hope you dont mind...

Regarding chasing or hunting shit posters, doesn't it sound like medieval too?
No it doesnt or Lauda and the staff woudnt bother to ask an opinion about "people that are hunting account farmers, spammers or just anu other kind of rule-breaking users"

This is not what this forum is about
Personally i would suggest you to always add "IMHO" to your affirmations as despite i would agree with you, this forum (as the entire crypto-community) is far away from being clean by scammers and scumbags and it might not be your daily interest but you should respect those people that are daily fighting against scammers and scumbags for the same "community sake" you mentioned.

IMHO
~Gun
legendary
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November 12, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
#79
ostracizing?

Sounds like medieval...no! The value of a community chasing scumbags aint something like that: i see in many scam threads, members helping each other to find evidences, past, doubts etc. If i see a tag like "fuck this user has been temp banned before" it would help...woudnt it?
~Gun

I thought this thread was primarily about permanently banning shit posters (after a warning or two), right? Now you talk about banning scumbags, i.e. scammers. If I'm not mistaken, scammers aren't banned here simply because there is already a trust system implemented on the forum, which should work better since not all accusations turn out valid and founded at the end of the day. In any case, the trust system is not the question discussed in this thread as far as I can see. Regarding chasing or hunting shit posters, doesn't it sound like medieval too? Personally, I'm not going to chase any shit poster, I mostly choose to ignore them, occasionally reporting on them in my own threads. And I don't give a fuck about whether they have been tagged as banned as long as they don't post any more (to be honest, I wouldn't like to see anyone with such a tag). Besides, I also hope that most users have more important things to do than to deliberately chase down spammers and farmers, find alt accounts and go for stuff like that...

This is not what this forum is about
legendary
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November 12, 2016, 01:15:47 PM
#78
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So again: i'd like a banned tag on perma banned scumbags AND a banned tag (possibly in the trust section) of temp banned "mates"...it would be a part of your forum history...you would have to deal with it...
~Gun

Yes for tagging a perma banned member but definitely not for tagging the temp banned one.
Temp ban could be for a reason that have nothing to do with scamming others or +/- harming the community.
A guy temp banned for bumping his topic several times in 1 day or posting in a self-dictatorship (moderated) thread where the OP asked him several times to leave shouldn't be considered as a risk in my opinion and thus tagging him as temp banned will ruin his reputation even if he never made a trade!
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November 12, 2016, 01:03:01 PM
#77
ostracizing?

Sounds like medieval...no! The value of a community chasing scumbags aint something like that: i see in many scam threads, members helping each other to find evidences, past, doubts etc. If i see a tag like "fuck this user has been temp banned before" it would help...woudnt it?
~Gun
legendary
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November 12, 2016, 12:54:29 PM
#76
lack of real arguments in favor of making bans public...

Make it public! Make it loud!
It is the value of a community. When you are a part of a community you dont have to count on your own strenght to solve issues (in this case spammers, scammers, scumbags) but you have the added value of an entire community helping you (look at scam accusation board, meta, etc)

What community value do you mean exactly, the value of ostracizing? I guess this has more to do with a herd, not a community. If you don't mind me reminding, the question is not about banning users by other users as their joint, community effort. It is still essentially about mods banning users as they have been doing years before. Maybe, a little more banning than before if there is need for this. Community has nothing to do with that, if only derive some pleasure in seeing somebody banned. In any case, you can continue to report spammers, scammers, and just scumbags as always. But ultimately, I'm all in, provided that they also don't forget to disclose who banned whom and for what reason...

For the sake of community, of course
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November 12, 2016, 11:56:13 AM
#75
lack of real arguments in favor of making bans public...

Make it public! Make it loud!
It is the value of a community. When you are a part of a community you dont have to count on your own strenght to solve issues (in this case spammers, scammers, scumbags) but you have the added value of an entire community helping you (look at scam accusation board, meta, etc).

So again: i'd like a banned tag on perma banned scumbags AND a banned tag (possibly in the trust section) of temp banned "mates"...it would be a part of your forum history...you would have to deal with it...
~Gun
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November 12, 2016, 10:00:45 AM
#74
It kinda seems that some people would get a lot of pleasure and satisfaction in witch-hunting once it is started. Burn them all!

Yes,  yes, yes.  Do something.   Anything!  I'd be all for bringing the old SCAMMER tag back, but I'm sure that's not going to happen.

Not sure how good the idea is but would certainly help me find if the accounts that I have personally reported to the admins (permaban requests) are banned yet or not.
Additionally, I think there should be a another page like seclog which shows updates on daily banned accounts.

YES! please added this rank mods or add a tag!
i saw few days back someone having a tag under his activity counter called "Banned" for the first time here and it was a nice one

There seems to be a universal consensus among the advocates of the new Banned rank that adding this rank will help people who are "hunting account farmers, spammers or just any other kind of rule-breaking users". But how many are there such people on the forum? Maybe, a dozen, maybe, even less than that, and I'm not speaking about occasional reporters. I'm speaking about those members who are purposefully crawling the forum in search of forum rules abusers, making this endeavor into their job or duty of sorts. As to me, bringing forth these wannabe moderators as a reason for changing the current system of silently banning shit posters looks more like a pathetic excuse for the lack of real arguments in favor of making bans public...

Moreover, the very idea of the forum itself certainly doesn't hinge on people hunting account farmers, spammers, and their kind
legendary
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November 12, 2016, 08:10:31 AM
#73
Thanks for the reply Lauda, so at the end it's only to avoid to lose precious time every time someone ask if an account is banned or not ... isn't it? Other reasons (from your point of view?).
That's pretty much it. It should save time for pretty much any party involved in addition to removing redundancy and inconsistency. This helps people that are hunting account farmers, spammers or just any other kind of rule-breaking users. I could see potential harm in doing this with temporarily banned accounts, but it seems pretty okay to do it with permanently banned ones IMO.

Personally, I am quite happy if some bullshit poster stops posting. Whether it was a temporary ban, a perma ban, or that user stopped posting on his own is of no interest to me, just like the content of their posts. On the other hand, you say that placing a tag to a banned user will save time and effort. But withholding info regarding who banned that particular user and for what exactly could actually lead to even more waste, since users may start asking questions and nagging mods...

Right now spammers just stop spamming after a perma ban, and no one gives a fuck about them



This, I think there isn't at all a real/valid reason to see who is banned or perma-banned (always imho).
legendary
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November 12, 2016, 08:03:38 AM
#72
I think we have heard people's pros and cons about this subject already - where the far majority thinks a banned rank for perma banned accounts is an added value.

I would like to see an admin or theymos himself come with a reaction here if they find the time to do so. I think that's the most important thing right now.
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November 12, 2016, 07:59:18 AM
#71
Thanks for the reply Lauda, so at the end it's only to avoid to lose precious time every time someone ask if an account is banned or not ... isn't it? Other reasons (from your point of view?).
That's pretty much it. It should save time for pretty much any party involved in addition to removing redundancy and inconsistency. This helps people that are hunting account farmers, spammers or just any other kind of rule-breaking users. I could see potential harm in doing this with temporarily banned accounts, but it seems pretty okay to do it with permanently banned ones IMO.

Personally, I am quite happy if some bullshit poster stops posting. Whether it was a temporary ban, a perma ban, or that user stopped posting on his own is of no interest to me, just like the content of their posts. On the other hand, you say that placing a tag to a banned user will save time and effort. But withholding info regarding who banned that particular user and for what exactly could actually lead to even more waste, since users may start asking questions and nagging mods...

Right now spammers just stop spamming after a perma ban, and no one gives a fuck about them
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November 11, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
#70
I've only just tripped over this thread, so apologies if I'm repeating what's been said before.

This has been discussed in the past with the now defunct Scammer setting.

Scammer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2514705 http://archive.is/8hx0n

SCAMMER:Manually applied by administration, regardless of post count and gets 5 red Xs under his name.

It's very unlikely scammer tags will be ever be coming back. They were removed fairly recently for good reason. We don't need them anymore as the community policies itself with feedbacks and trust. And no, negative trust does not 'reset'. It can only be removed by the person who left it.

It would be better to add this tag for scammers since default trust can be manipulated by some green trust members ! Huh

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SCAMMER: Manually applied by administration, regardless of post count and gets 5 red Xs under his name.  

It would be too much work for staff and mods generally don't get involved with scam accusations and is why it was removed. And what makes you think staff couldn't be manipulated the same way? It would be just too much fuss and people would be pestering mods to tag the hundreds of accounts that try scam here.  

http://archive.is/hOUK2#selection-301.0-375.26

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had one of these Scammer flags and received negative trust (when they (the old scammer tags) were removed) from a DT user:

Before the trust system was added, I would manually add a SCAMMER tag to the accounts of people who were proven scammers, likely alts of scammers, and sometimes to hacked accounts (if they were being used for scamming). Because the trust system now exists, I will be removing all old scammer tags in about 7 days. If you still don't trust any of these people, you should manually give them negative trust.

The scammer tag also prevents people from deleting or editing their posts. If you suspect that any of these people will start deleting posts, you should make a note of their post count. I can restore any deleted or edited post if necessary.

Here's the list of people with scammer tags currently. People in bold will retain a hidden scammer tag so that they cannot delete their posts.




In a separate discussion, UIDs are being ❝Nuked❞ but not removed, so they appear to be ❝Brand New❞ with zero posts, so they can then be mistaken for a created, but not active account.

By ❝Nuking❞ and then going the one step further flagging them as ❝Banned❞ at least any of us who are investigating account farmers such as QuickSeller can at least know with certainty a UID we are looking at has been ❝Banned❞, not just ❝Nuked❞ much less ❝created, but not active❞


 So, I guess the obvious question would be under what circumstances would an account be slapped with the ❝Banned❞ tag - ie being ❝Nuked❞ ?
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