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Quote from: ANJULE on February 23, 2014, 06:01:43 PM

ut this isn't the case with the micro-processors.
Information can't be measured as an physical unit, it doesn't have mass or anything that can take the energy that could be imaginable.
So everything turns in to heat.

just because information isnt energy then this doesnt mean all energy gets converted into heat? this doesnt fully explain. It could just as well create another type of energy?

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Well light is a form of energy, it is basically form of radiation. It just has very low-energy density, and cannot penetrate objects, not partly or fully.
Like x-rays go partially thru human body, but stops into lead-sheet. And gamma-rays go thru anything and everything.

So electricity have been transformed in to light, you are correct. But this isn't the case with the micro-processors.
Information can't be measured as an physical unit, it doesn't have mass or anything that can take the energy that could be imaginable.
So everything turns in to heat.

And energy efficiency of lightning surfaces have been improving but it's nowhere near 90% efficiency.
If you compare led or fluorescent-tubes to light-bulb they consume 80% less energy to give the same amount of light.
It doesn't mean that 90% of the energy is transformed into light. Just touch the fluorescent-tube or led, they are still quite warm.
Powerful led's can still burn your fingers. And heating anything takes lots of energy.

Just face it, the world today is very inefficient when it comes to use of any sort of energy.

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Quote from: Starscream on February 23, 2014, 05:26:58 PM

Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 05:02:37 PM

light bulbs have efficiency ratings like 100% of electricity

I don't even know where to begin on how wrong this statement is...

Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 05:02:37 PM

90% light +10% heat. Does your explanation still work?

It's other way around (90% heat, 10% light) and yeah my explanation still works.

this is irrelevant but at least in Europe and probably most of the world those old bulbs have been banned and replaced by LED.

Why does your statement still stand?

(Ill aks someone who knows physics and all that stuff maybe ill undesrtand then)

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Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 05:02:37 PM

light bulbs have efficiency ratings like 100% of electricity

I don't even know where to begin on how wrong this statement is...

Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 05:02:37 PM

90% light +10% heat. Does your explanation still work?

It's other way around (90% heat, 10% light) and yeah my explanation still works.

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Quote from: Starscream on February 23, 2014, 02:05:22 PM

Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 01:33:15 PM

Quote from: ANJULE on February 23, 2014, 10:46:17 AM

Well, electricity is a wicked thing.
All of it will transform 100.0000% in to heat.

it doesnt have to. It can transform into light in a lightbulb for example.So what does into transfrom itself into in a cpu? Maybe information? Cheesy

I does.
Heat is essentially energy, and that energy is used, in a tungsten wire (your average light bulb) to excite electrons to higher levels, eventually those electrons will fall back to their normal level and when that happens, they release energy (the same amount of energy that was required to excite them to the next level), that energy is released in the form of a photon - light.
So the electric energy was used to excite the electrons, not to produce light. The light was produced from the electrons dropping back.

light bulbs have efficiency ratings like 100% of electricity--->90% light +10% heat. Does your explanation still work?

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Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 23, 2014, 01:33:15 PM

Quote from: ANJULE on February 23, 2014, 10:46:17 AM

Well, electricity is a wicked thing.
All of it will transform 100.0000% in to heat.

it doesnt have to. It can transform into light in a lightbulb for example.So what does into transfrom itself into in a cpu? Maybe information? Cheesy

I does.
Heat is essentially energy, and that energy is used, in a tungsten wire (your average light bulb) to excite electrons to higher levels, eventually those electrons will fall back to their normal level and when that happens, they release energy (the same amount of energy that was required to excite them to the next level), that energy is released in the form of a photon - light.
So the electric energy was used to excite the electrons, not to produce light. The light was produced from the electrons dropping back.

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Quote from: ANJULE on February 23, 2014, 10:46:17 AM

Well, electricity is a wicked thing.
All of it will transform 100.0000% in to heat.

it doesnt have to. It can transform into light in a lightbulb for example.So what does into transfrom itself into in a cpu? Maybe information? Cheesy

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Well, electricity is a wicked thing.
All of it will transform 100.0000% in to heat.

To mix your brain a little more:
Electrical outlets have three wires L-GND-N
L=live
GND=ground
N=neutral

Electricity "waits" in the L when some machine that allows the electricity
to flow from L to N, like computer is plugged in.
The thing that is really mystifying is that the same current that leaves the L-wire goes to your computer and back along the N-wire.
So how is the electricity consumed?

Everything above is 100% true, just had to write it since this is being really foolish: yes but no, but yes but no chitchat.

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Not efficient in mining..

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Quote from: ANJULE on February 23, 2014, 08:00:35 AM

No. To put it simple processor is an copper wire. Through that copper wire electrons travel which is called electric current.
The copper wire is very very thin and any current is big enough to heat those wires.
Transistors inside the core direct voltage (and thus current) to different routes, depending on how much the processor is
used at the moment. So the MAX electricity consumed = TDP
You are right on one thing heat is ALWAYS side product of any electrical product. Think electrical engines an their efficiency.

any current is big enough to heat those wires but not 100% current is converted into heat right?

so how many % of all watts of energy going to cpu is not being converted to heat?

please reply I dont understand yet

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No. To put it simple processor is an copper wire. Through that copper wire electrons travel which is called electric current.
The copper wire is very very thin and any current is big enough to heat those wires.
Transistors inside the core direct voltage (and thus current) to different routes, depending on how much the processor is
used at the moment. So the MAX electricity consumed = TDP
You are right on one thing heat is ALWAYS side product of any electrical product. Think electrical engines an their efficiency.

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Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 22, 2014, 06:36:03 PM

Quote from: ANJULE on February 22, 2014, 04:54:44 PM

Well in electrical machines that dont have moving parts (cpu, memory,ssd etc.) the TDP is the electical consumption.
Since all the energy is transformed in to heat, if there's no moving parts.

Please explain if Im wrong but most of the work is calculations (information). heat is waste "sideeffect''

so am i correct?

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You really should spend more time researching, your question has been answered here already. Another reason is less Shaders.

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Quote from: ANJULE on February 22, 2014, 04:54:44 PM

Well in electrical machines that dont have moving parts (cpu, memory,ssd etc.) the TDP is the electical consumption.
Since all the energy is transformed in to heat, if there's no moving parts.

Please explain if Im wrong but most of the work is calculations (information). heat is waste "sideeffect''

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Well in electrical machines that dont have moving parts (cpu, memory,ssd etc.) the TDP is the electical consumption.
Since all the energy is transformed in to heat, if there's no moving parts.

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Quote from: ANJULE on February 22, 2014, 04:02:50 PM

But how much do they consume electricity?

all answers I l found looking to answer you show TDP as max power consumption.This is wrong because TDP means max heat produced in Watts hence the misconception.

Please answer my questions google'ing didnt answer any.

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I have an A10-7850K with 512 GCN cores. I get about 70 KH/sec from it with DDR3-1333 SDRAM. Not good value for the money, but it's only $100 more than a Sempron 145, plus high end motherboards such as the ASUS A88X-PRO cost only $120, vs. $220 for the ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z. So it's a wash. One less PCI-E slot probably makes people lean away from the APU.

For comparison, a Radeon R9 280X/Radeon HD 7970 gets 730 KH/sec at 1050 MHz core/1500 MHz memory. A Radeon R9 290X gets 910 KH/sec at 1000 MHz core/1375 MHz memory. APUs just pale in comparison to dedicated GPUs.

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But how much do they consume electricity?

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Yes there just isn't enough space on the core of the cpu for the full-gpu core.
I wrote this list and you managed to answer before me... But I send it anyway, since it's written.
One part of the slowness comes from the memory-lane's speed. It isn't nearly as fast as in external GPU.
By memory-lane I mean the data-transfer speed from the cpu to ram.
Other part is the space, power and heat.

How could they make integrated-gpu as fast as the external, when there isn't enough space in the core of the cpu?
Also the super-fast gpu would consume 180-300w of electricity that transforms into heat. Plus the heat from the cpu-part.
Heat and cpu won't work good together, it will cause miscalculations and unstable systems.

And how to supply +200-320w of electricity to cpu-socket thru motherboard? It would need more power connectors on-board.
All of these problems can be solved, but I guess that AMD wants to sell their GPU's as well.

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Quote from: gpucoolingmethod on February 22, 2014, 03:47:19 PM

Quote from: baka on February 22, 2014, 03:06:35 PM

Yes they work but don't expect more than 60-80 khash from them though.

why so low? dont they have radeon inside?

can you please answer the other questions becuase there are no search results which answer them

They are slower because they have up to 384 cores were as a r9 280x has 2048 cores which are also higher clocked.

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