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Quote from: GernMiester on December 20, 2012, 08:08:15 PM

Only an, here come.... MORON would fall for that nonsense. what a weak ass scam

Yeah but the digibitics like an 80 year old could get tricked this way...

If they make 100 calls a day and only one would fall for it ...they probably made more money then working for a boss ...

So keep ur money stored save or in an savingaccount witch is harder get to by scammers ..

I would kick the one who gets at my door to pick the card up very very hard in his croutch... Cheesy

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An interesting scam. Wouldn't work in most of Europe because of the call termination "bug" not existing here.

Quote from: Mike Hearn on December 20, 2012, 11:47:26 AM

Call somebody who you think owns some Bitcoins and is of average technical knowledge.

Lol. I wouldn't know who to call. I know lots of people that own bitcoins and lots of people with average or below average technical knowledge. But noone I know fits both descriptions and the one that comes close has their coins in casascius.

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Quote from: foo on December 21, 2012, 12:10:00 AM

Ahem. http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2012/09/10/chip-and-skim-cloning-emv-cards-with-the-pre-play-attack/

That attack doesn't actually clone the card, it exploits weak protocol implementations to achieve a similar effect. I agree that the end result can be rather equivalent, but it can be patched with software upgrades to the buggy terminals and ATMs. You don't need to actually replace the cards because the hardware on them is still secure.

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A fool and his money is easily parted.

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Quote from: Mike Hearn on December 20, 2012, 07:06:40 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on December 20, 2012, 05:13:28 PM

i'm surprised that any of those scams require a courier. that would be highly risky business for the scammers and easily squelched.

EMV cards are unclonable. So the PIN without the physical card is worthless. You have to convince the owner to give up both of them.

Ahem. http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2012/09/10/chip-and-skim-cloning-emv-cards-with-the-pre-play-attack/

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Quote from: kokojie on December 20, 2012, 12:15:03 PM

The victims has already been told by the bank to NOT give their pin the ANYONE. If the victim still give away their PIN, it's their own fault.

Quote from: nobbynobbynoob on December 20, 2012, 09:55:27 PM

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There must be something else that terminates a call, maybe after some time if one side is gone it terminates? If I call your home and I never hang up you can never make another call?

This may be a quirk of the British telecommunications systems. The delay was traditionally two minutes on GPO/BT landlines; I do not know whether or not that has been altered in recent years.

Ha, you are fast. I deleted after scanning and seeing someone mentioned it doesn't cut the call for a brief d/c, which would make sense for keeping the call alive if there was just a small problem. They must be counting on the person dialing right back. Funny to hear the call to the actual police offering a pin number.

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There must be something else that terminates a call, maybe after some time if one side is gone it terminates? If I call your home and I never hang up you can never make another call?

This may be a quirk of the British telecommunications systems. The delay was traditionally two minutes on GPO/BT landlines; I do not know whether or not that has been altered in recent years.

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Only an, here come.... MORON would fall for that nonsense. what a weak ass scam

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Quote from: cypherdoc on December 20, 2012, 05:13:28 PM

i'm surprised that any of those scams require a courier. that would be highly risky business for the scammers and easily squelched.

EMV cards are unclonable. So the PIN without the physical card is worthless. You have to convince the owner to give up both of them.

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on December 20, 2012, 05:07:46 PM

Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:45:51 PM

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Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:30:24 PM

LOL? In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? Here in Germany the call definitely is terminated if one side hangs up and you would have to redial. And this behavior is not new, the phone network does behave this way since I can remember. With VoIP this is AFAIK the default behavior of most clients, too. (However, on protocol level, there is a 2 sided termination)

In Canada, hanging up for a short lapse of time won't terminate a call. The US probably use the same system as well.

Yes, for old analog wired phones quickly (< 1s) pressing down and releasing the hook does have this effect here, too. But this is intended and used as signal to the network to access several advanced features.

Last time I tried(3-4 years ago) I could stay on the line for ~1-2 minutes. I successfully pranked some friends this way. I guess it depends how the network has been setup.

I could be wrong, but I don't think it works like that any more.

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i'm surprised that any of those scams require a courier. that would be highly risky business for the scammers and easily squelched.

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Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:45:51 PM

Quote from: 01BTC10 on December 20, 2012, 04:38:18 PM

Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:30:24 PM

LOL? In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? Here in Germany the call definitely is terminated if one side hangs up and you would have to redial. And this behavior is not new, the phone network does behave this way since I can remember. With VoIP this is AFAIK the default behavior of most clients, too. (However, on protocol level, there is a 2 sided termination)

In Canada, hanging up for a short lapse of time won't terminate a call. The US probably use the same system as well.

Yes, for old analog wired phones quickly (< 1s) pressing down and releasing the hook does have this effect here, too. But this is intended and used as signal to the network to access several advanced features.

Last time I tried(3-4 years ago) I could stay on the line for ~1-2 minutes. I successfully pranked some friends this way. I guess it depends how the network has been setup.

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the fake hang up trick is a well known scam these days

the other scam is saying that they are the telephone company and a bill needs to be paid that day. if the person does not believe them they say they will prove they are the phone company by temporarily cutting off the phone line when they hang up.

when in actual fact they just mute the call so that the victim does not hear a dial tone. and cant dial out.

5 minutes later the scammer calls them again and informs them if they do not pay immediately then the next cut off will be permanent incurring further costs and a 30 day delay in reinstating the service.

never give any details to people that call you. in the UK this is called cold-calling. don't be convinced by a single phonecall that you were not expecting to receive, demanding personal banking details.

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on December 20, 2012, 04:38:18 PM

Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:30:24 PM

LOL? In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? Here in Germany the call definitely is terminated if one side hangs up and you would have to redial. And this behavior is not new, the phone network does behave this way since I can remember. With VoIP this is AFAIK the default behavior of most clients, too. (However, on protocol level, there is a 2 sided termination)

In Canada, hanging up for a short lapse of time won't terminate a call. The US probably use the same system as well.

Yes, for old analog wired phones quickly (< 1s) pressing down and releasing the hook does have this effect here, too. But this is intended and used as signal to the network to access several advanced features.

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Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:30:24 PM

LOL? In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? . . .

I haven't tried it since the introduction of digital switches such as the 5ESS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5ESS_switch ), but in the USA, it definitely worked that way back in the days of analog switches such as the 1ESS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1ESS_switch ).

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Quote from: flipperfish on December 20, 2012, 04:30:24 PM

LOL? In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? Here in Germany the call definitely is terminated if one side hangs up and you would have to redial. And this behavior is not new, the phone network does behave this way since I can remember. With VoIP this is AFAIK the default behavior of most clients, too. (However, on protocol level, there is a 2 sided termination)

In Canada, hanging up for a short lapse of time won't terminate a call. The US probably use the same system as well.

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LOL? This is news to me. In which countries a phone connection is not terminated, if one side hangs up? Here in Germany the call definitely is terminated if one side hangs up and you would have to redial. And this behavior is not new, the phone network does behave this way since I can remember. With VoIP this is AFAIK the default behavior of most clients, too. (However, on protocol level, there is a 2 sided termination)

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Quote from: kokojie on December 20, 2012, 12:15:03 PM

The victims has already been told by the bank to NOT give their pin the ANYONE. If the victim still give away their PIN, it's their own fault.

kokojie

This is true but this shows two human traits that scammers rely upon (after GREED).

1. Escalation of authority.
a. I have a higher rep then you (this works beautifully with nick squaters)
b. Appealing to a higher power.
1. My manager
2. The Police
3. etc.

2. And our innate desire to trust our fellow man.
1. "I'm an authority so give me you PIN."
2. "you send first"

Problem it's gotten so bad I'm certain I've hung up on and deleted emails from legitimate service providers.

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With the advent of cell phones, I haven't heard a dial tone in years.

I have used that trick once, decades ago. Don't remember the details, but the other party hung up, whereupon I stayed on the line knowing that that person was going to make another call. I could hear the tones caused by the pressing of the keys, and waited a few seconds, then said hello in a disguised voice. Fucked with them a minute, then let the cat out of the bag, both of us having a good laugh.

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Thanks,
Nice post.
I hope this helps some one not to get scam.

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