Topic: International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Russian President Putin - page 2. (Read 369 times)
March 20, 2023, 08:34:29 PM
It's only fair to serve the warrant on the person identified in the warrant. Do you want to serve it on Putin?
March 20, 2023, 05:47:00 PM
The ICC is a court based in The Hague that tries individuals for international crimes such as genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. However, the ICC has no jurisdiction to try heads of state unless they are referred to court by the UN Security Council if I am not mistaken.
franjo construction of language I don't really understand what your comment really emphasizing on but at this point I want to let you know let you know that you have to give more hint of explanation to enable us to understand exactly what your point is all about 
March 20, 2023, 01:29:25 PM
Meanwhile, the Russian Investigative Committee issued an arrest warrant for the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court and for the judges who signed the warrant for Putin's arrest. Lol 
March 20, 2023, 12:52:08 PM
Meanwhile, Putin visited the liberated Mariupol today on an unannounced visit (and yesterday he was in Sevastopol at the celebration of the 9th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia), watched how the city was being restored, and paid special attention to the Mariupol Philharmonic. The building has been completely restored and soon there will be a public trial of the Nazis of Azov, who were taken prisoner during the assault on Azov Steel in May last year.
This pathetic cowardly kidnapper of children, came to Ukrainian Mariupol? Yes, he was on Poklonnaya Hill, laying flowers, so before that, within a radius of 3 km, all sewer manholes were welded, people were forbidden to open and look out the windows, every 10 meters there was a FSO officer, carbines and even branded bayonet-knives were taken away from the guard of honor , and a group of "people" who created the appearance, were held back by two hundred guards in a dense ring. And this cowardly criminal, in your opinion, came to Ukrainian Mariupol?!
)))By the way, according to the first part - a video of the cleansing of the city, under the visit of an international criminal, a kidnapper, where he laid flowers - is available on the Internet.
According to the second part, a video recording is now being deleted from all sources, where allegedly Putin, allegedly in Mariupol, allegedly drives through the streets of the city, and in one house from a window, with a characteristic, central Russian accent, a woman shouts "this is all staged, don't believe it!", then the sound suddenly stops...
You already write in North Korean: the great leader of roshisi, who gave light to the solar system, yesterday visited the sun at the speed of light, opened a kiosk selling ice cream there, walked on the surface of the sun, to the applause of the inhabitants of the sun. After that, the great leader, the leader of all leaders, and the father of all fathers, dug the tunnel of the new metro station with his own hands: Sun-Moscow! Well, it will sound more realistic than nonsense about how this cowardly, unfortunate, vile body went to Ukrainian Mariupol, kidnapping children, having previously killed their parents
March 19, 2023, 03:02:10 PM
I refuse to take the International Criminal Court seriously ever since they let themselves and their justice be intimidated and impeded by threats from the US. And were the American war criminals prosecuted? No. They dropped everything because the US told them to drop it.
So why would anyone care if they issue an arrest warrant for the Russian president, Putin? Are you guys seriously expecting anything real to come from this?
To me it all looks like a publicity stunt and an empty threat.
The ICC is a joke.
So why would anyone care if they issue an arrest warrant for the Russian president, Putin? Are you guys seriously expecting anything real to come from this?
To me it all looks like a publicity stunt and an empty threat.
The ICC is a joke.
March 19, 2023, 02:08:56 PM
Meanwhile, Putin visited the liberated Mariupol today on an unannounced visit (and yesterday he was in Sevastopol at the celebration of the 9th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia), watched how the city was being restored, and paid special attention to the Mariupol Philharmonic. The building has been completely restored and soon there will be a public trial of the Nazis of Azov, who were taken prisoner during the assault on Azov Steel in May last year.
Puttin has visited mariupol in Ukraine for the first time last year to show some human behavior after the was called a criminal by the ICC. It was stated that he has renovated the place as it was the base of Ukraine troop before it was captured by Russian troops.Puttin thinks he can try to fix things back to make people see that he is not what the ICC called him but the Ukrainians are not happy with his visit because that was a place where he commited genocide and he has also adopted Ukrainians children to Russia,which is a big crime.
The ICC is a political organization, controlled by whoever donates the most money to them. Of course, it's the individuals who get the money, more than the organization. They are another bribe acceptance company.
Remember in the gun control threads, where I say something like: "A 250-pound bully can easily rape, mug, and murder a 90-pound teenage girl. But if girly has a gun, she has a chance, even if the bully has a gun as well." The only thing that is keeping the world free is Russian nukes. Without Russia and her threat of nukes, the US bully would have taken over the whole world back in 1991, when Russia gave freedom to the peoples of the Soviet Union.
If the US took over the whole world, the results would be worse than if Russia or China took us all over. How do we know this? Because the corrupt US banking system (which seems to be failing currently because of its widespread corruption) would have all people directly under its thumb.
March 19, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Meanwhile, Putin visited the liberated Mariupol today on an unannounced visit (and yesterday he was in Sevastopol at the celebration of the 9th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia), watched how the city was being restored, and paid special attention to the Mariupol Philharmonic. The building has been completely restored and soon there will be a public trial of the Nazis of Azov, who were taken prisoner during the assault on Azov Steel in May last year.
Puttin has visited mariupol in Ukraine for the first time last year to show some human behavior after the was called a criminal by the ICC. It was stated that he has renovated the place as it was the base of Ukraine troop before it was captured by Russian troops.Puttin thinks he can try to fix things back to make people see that he is not what the ICC called him but the Ukrainians are not happy with his visit because that was a place where he commited genocide and he has also adopted Ukrainians children to Russia,which is a big crime.
March 19, 2023, 10:47:55 AM
Meanwhile, Putin visited the liberated Mariupol today on an unannounced visit (and yesterday he was in Sevastopol at the celebration of the 9th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia), watched how the city was being restored, and paid special attention to the Mariupol Philharmonic. The building has been completely restored and soon there will be a public trial of the Nazis of Azov, who were taken prisoner during the assault on Azov Steel in May last year.
March 19, 2023, 09:15:30 AM
Well, yes, another ridiculous attempt to make Russia a pariah country by outlawing its president. It is especially hypocritical that this legally insignificant PR action was carried out against the backdrop of the 20th anniversary of the illegal US invasion of Iraq. The International Criminal Court knows full well that it has no authority to try the (with diplomatic immunity) president of a country that has not ratified the Rome Statute. This is another empty informational occasion, not worth much attention, in a politically biased topic that has nothing to do with the economy.
The current government of the RF is making itself a pariah - what would you expect to be if you invade your neighbour and to add, send there troops that are know to rape, steal and kidnap people and have done it before? You are seeking hate, and you get hate. The RF government were also expecting to terrorise others into submission, but that failed.
Regarding the ICC, I think they have to rule against Putin because there is so much evidence of war crimes that they do not really have an option not to do it. I do not think is a good idea because it does not get anyone any closer to peace. It is much more difficult to agree the terms of the RF withdrawal from all Ukrainian territories, the return of all the forced deportees and the payment of reparations if the government of Ukraine has to do so with a now convicted international criminal. Politically, much more difficult to be accepted.
I hope they do not decide to condemn Lavrov as well. You have to keep the phone line open, even if you are talking to criminals.
You may not quite understand the "game" with Putin's well-deserved criminal status!
Of course, it would be nice to detain this bastard, and lead him in a cage through the ruined cities of Ukraine, through huge fields with graves, where hundreds of thousands of civilians are buried - women, children, old people, tortured and killed by his order. And then in The Hague to pronounce a verdict and hang indicatively. BUT... most likely it won't. But what is it for then?
This is, in fact, a go-ahead from the West to Putin's inner circle, which has not stained itself with crimes against Ukraine, which is ready to take power in Russia into its own hands, and be negotiable, to agree on many issues - from the liberation of the territory of Ukraine, to the borders of 1991 to payments reparations and demilitarization and denazification of Russia.
And for one thing, this is a hint "Putin's carcass in The Hague, dead or alive = your indulgence"
And given the already very high degree of tension in Putin's immediate environment, such an outcome is very likely!PS Although it seems to me that since Russia is so hysterical about "historical justice", then the borders of Ukraine should be returned to 1919. I strongly recommend studying the maps of the Ukrainian Independent Republic of 1919-1921!
March 19, 2023, 07:04:28 AM
Everyone is anticipating how the announcement will play out to prosecute Vladmir Putin in the coming months. I understand there are some things that are very wrong with war and the way the soldier treated Ukrainians. Nevertheless, this announcement has also been viewed through the lens of the political game america is playing with organizations, since America is also involved in war and has been identified as committing some crimes, yet leaders have threatened the ICC with repercussions if it goes ahead with an investigation, not even penalising the government. One of the saddest things about Russia's leadership is that their freedom rate for citizens is 13%, which is terribly low for a country in the first world.
March 19, 2023, 06:48:54 AM
Yes, Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute and will not do so under the Putin regime, and therefore does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court. Putin and his current entourage also do not recognize the established international norms of law, the rules and customs of the war that they unleashed in Ukraine, and generally spit on any public opinion, and also demonstrate that no rules of human behavior apply to them. But still, they will be prosecuted and will suffer a well-deserved punishment.
I will say one thing - the opinion of Russia, a terrorist country, a liar country, a criminal country, a cowardly and vile killer country, no one cares! In Russia they can rage, squeal anything, but the punishment will overtake them. And Putin, and his jackals, and propagandists, and direct perpetrators of crimes ... The world has forgotten about the Nuremberg Tribunal, and this tribunal will become a "new volume" in world history, where international criminals will be punished for even more heinous crimes against humanity.
PS. Unfortunately, I have very little information now, but I do have a little: a structure has been created in Ukraine, a kind of Mossad, the purpose of which is to search for and punish Russian war criminals, whose guilt has been proven, but the criminals managed to escape. The search will be all over the world. It is not the state that finances, but quite a lot of people both from Ukraine and from other countries affected by Russian terror, and many other organizations and people who want to "drive an aspen stake into the coffin of rashism."
March 18, 2023, 11:23:33 PM
Well, yes, another ridiculous attempt to make Russia a pariah country by outlawing its president. It is especially hypocritical that this legally insignificant PR action was carried out against the backdrop of the 20th anniversary of the illegal US invasion of Iraq. The International Criminal Court knows full well that it has no authority to try the (with diplomatic immunity) president of a country that has not ratified the Rome Statute. This is another empty informational occasion, not worth much attention, in a politically biased topic that has nothing to do with the economy.
Yes, Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute and will not do so under the Putin regime, and therefore does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court. Putin and his current entourage also do not recognize the established international norms of law, the rules and customs of the war that they unleashed in Ukraine, and generally spit on any public opinion, and also demonstrate that no rules of human behavior apply to them. But still, they will be prosecuted and will suffer a well-deserved punishment.After the issuance of an ICC warrant for Putin's arrest, despite the fact that Russia does not recognize the jurisdiction of this court, any state from 123 countries that acceded to its jurisdiction is obliged to arrest Putin and bring him to the prison of this court in The Hague if he is on their territories.
But this is only the beginning. Now Ukraine has initiated the creation of a separate international tribunal. It is created by general agreement. An agreement on the creation has already been written, there is a preliminary agreement of about eleven countries that they are ready to join, including very serious states. This special tribunal will begin to consider whether the highest political leadership is guilty of war crimes and aggression against Ukraine, and the recognition of its jurisdiction by Putin or other suspects, as well as by Russia as a whole, will not matter, just as the norms of human civilization do not matter now for these criminals.
If proven guilty, they will receive from 30 years in prison to life imprisonment simply for starting a war.
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/mnenie-rossii-uzhe-absolyutno-ne-vazhno-v-gaage-sozdayut-spetsialnyy-tribunal-dlya-suda-nad-putinym-za-prestuplenie-agressii-protiv- ukrainy-/32076126.html
March 18, 2023, 10:07:19 PM
I am not sure how this could possibly help the development of the war towards reaching peace.
We all know that Putin is not getting arrested in any shape or form, because two main reason: Putin would never leave Russia during these circumstances and even if dared to do so, arresting him would likely not solve much, it may even escalate de conflict to a next level.
If visited Venezuela, authorities here would not arrest him, because the position my country has as an ally of Moscow.
Sadly, I have a hunch this senseless war will go on for more years...
We all know that Putin is not getting arrested in any shape or form, because two main reason: Putin would never leave Russia during these circumstances and even if dared to do so, arresting him would likely not solve much, it may even escalate de conflict to a next level.
If visited Venezuela, authorities here would not arrest him, because the position my country has as an ally of Moscow.
Sadly, I have a hunch this senseless war will go on for more years...
March 18, 2023, 10:00:57 PM
Russia and Putin are a little more down to earth than issuing silly arrest warrants for members of the ICC.
March 18, 2023, 07:31:34 PM
Well, yes, another ridiculous attempt to make Russia a pariah country by outlawing its president. It is especially hypocritical that this legally insignificant PR action was carried out against the backdrop of the 20th anniversary of the illegal US invasion of Iraq. The International Criminal Court knows full well that it has no authority to try the (with diplomatic immunity) president of a country that has not ratified the Rome Statute. This is another empty informational occasion, not worth much attention, in a politically biased topic that has nothing to do with the economy.
The current government of the RF is making itself a pariah - what would you expect to be if you invade your neighbour and to add, send there troops that are know to rape, steal and kidnap people and have done it before? You are seeking hate, and you get hate. The RF government were also expecting to terrorise others into submission, but that failed.
Regarding the ICC, I think they have to rule against Putin because there is so much evidence of war crimes that they do not really have an option not to do it. I do not think is a good idea because it does not get anyone any closer to peace. It is much more difficult to agree the terms of the RF withdrawal from all Ukrainian territories, the return of all the forced deportees and the payment of reparations if the government of Ukraine has to do so with a now convicted international criminal. Politically, much more difficult to be accepted.
I hope they do not decide to condemn Lavrov as well. You have to keep the phone line open, even if you are talking to criminals.
March 18, 2023, 06:33:34 PM
This is mission impossible for the ICC, since Russia president has not ratify the Rome statues and has also stated that they don't recognise ICC. Puttin will not travel anymore so that he doesn't get ambushed or set up by the ICC. Reports started that China president will be visiting Puttin in Russia and I believe this is how Puttin will be have dealings with the country that is not under the ICC. A president like Puttin can't be arrested by the ICC because they don't have the legal right to do that.
March 18, 2023, 12:36:35 PM
The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin. The message appeared on the official website of the court on March 17. In addition, a warrant was issued for the children's rights commissioner in Russia, Maria Lvova-Belova.
The ICC suspects both of committing war crimes - forced deportations and displacement of the population, in particular children, from the occupied territories of Ukraine. International law can regard this as genocide. The court's website states that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Putin is personally responsible for the alleged crimes. Now the Russian president has the official status of a suspect in an international crime - the illegal forced transfer of Ukrainian children.
This means that according to this warrant, the local authorities of the countries that have ratified the Rome Statute and recognize the jurisdiction of the court, in the event of Putin's visit to them, must arrest him. This number includes 123 states, including all the countries of Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all of South America (including Russia's ally Venezuela), as well as a large part of the countries of Africa and Asia, including Japan, South Korea and other leaders of the region . In addition, if necessary and if there is political will, the criminal Putin can be brought to trial and other countries that have not ratified the Rome Statute. The leading countries of the world that do not recognize the jurisdiction of the ISS include, first of all, China, India, Turkey, and Russia itself withdrew its signature in 2016.
The Office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine previously handed over to the ICC more than 40 volumes of materials – more than 1,000 pages. They recorded the deportation of more than 16 thousand children from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkov and Kherson regions. However, the real figure could be much higher. Ukraine has so far managed to return home 308 children.
Now world leaders will think thrice before shaking his hand or sitting down at the negotiating table with him. The world has received a signal that the Russian regime is criminal and its leadership and henchmen will be held accountable.
However, this is only one of the first proceedings of this international court. The day before, it was reported that the International Criminal Court is preparing to open two cases of Russian war crimes in Ukraine: in connection with the abduction of Ukrainian children and deliberate Russian attacks against Ukraine's civilian infrastructure.
The ICC suspects both of committing war crimes - forced deportations and displacement of the population, in particular children, from the occupied territories of Ukraine. International law can regard this as genocide. The court's website states that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Putin is personally responsible for the alleged crimes. Now the Russian president has the official status of a suspect in an international crime - the illegal forced transfer of Ukrainian children.
This means that according to this warrant, the local authorities of the countries that have ratified the Rome Statute and recognize the jurisdiction of the court, in the event of Putin's visit to them, must arrest him. This number includes 123 states, including all the countries of Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all of South America (including Russia's ally Venezuela), as well as a large part of the countries of Africa and Asia, including Japan, South Korea and other leaders of the region . In addition, if necessary and if there is political will, the criminal Putin can be brought to trial and other countries that have not ratified the Rome Statute. The leading countries of the world that do not recognize the jurisdiction of the ISS include, first of all, China, India, Turkey, and Russia itself withdrew its signature in 2016.
The Office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine previously handed over to the ICC more than 40 volumes of materials – more than 1,000 pages. They recorded the deportation of more than 16 thousand children from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkov and Kherson regions. However, the real figure could be much higher. Ukraine has so far managed to return home 308 children.
Now world leaders will think thrice before shaking his hand or sitting down at the negotiating table with him. The world has received a signal that the Russian regime is criminal and its leadership and henchmen will be held accountable.
However, this is only one of the first proceedings of this international court. The day before, it was reported that the International Criminal Court is preparing to open two cases of Russian war crimes in Ukraine: in connection with the abduction of Ukrainian children and deliberate Russian attacks against Ukraine's civilian infrastructure.
It's funny how you see these news stories play out, about a week ago - for no apparent reason - Russia stated that they do not recognize the International Criminal Court. They clearly had someone on the inside feeding them this information, although I don't know how hidden this would necessarily have been. The ICC doesn't have all that much power to enforce this, although it is the right thing to do and are unlikely to get much assistance. It will be more of a voluntarily thing, if Russia eventually comes to it's senses and a new leader comes in who wants to cut ties with the past, they could hand him over. No other country is likely to arrest him because it could consistent an act of war - arresting the active leader of a country.
In this global age, I don't believe that the UN and ICC should still be like toothless dogs. What is helping the world to witness a somewhat balance is the western power ideology, but with a tyrannical country leader that Russia has, they shouldn't have veto power anymore, particularly with what they did to Ukraine.
Let's see how this plays out, the court verdict stands, but it could be arguably baseless because they don't have the power to enforce such. I doubt if any country could be helpful too.
And if you noticed, Putin has not been travelling often, that's the price he has to pay. If not, aside from the court ruling, he might be assassinated. He now has enemies everywhere, the war is not worth it.
March 18, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
By the way, this is only the beginning of a HUGE international process!
Kidnapping of people, and especially CHILDREN, is a crime that will not be limited to Putin alone. But Russia, in the person of Puitin and his entourage, put it on stream.
The world will be shocked when it finds out to whom, why and how, the Kremlin terrorists supplied children taken out of Ukraine, to whom they supplied organs, with the help of what international structures this was done, and continues to be done until now, who are the customers, who are the executors, what financial structures helped. ..
Follow the statements of the Red Cross, the UN, the Vatican, and other "international humanitarian organizations" who will now try to influence The Hague, try to cancel this decision or "make noise"!
Kidnapping of people, and especially CHILDREN, is a crime that will not be limited to Putin alone. But Russia, in the person of Puitin and his entourage, put it on stream.
The world will be shocked when it finds out to whom, why and how, the Kremlin terrorists supplied children taken out of Ukraine, to whom they supplied organs, with the help of what international structures this was done, and continues to be done until now, who are the customers, who are the executors, what financial structures helped. ..
Follow the statements of the Red Cross, the UN, the Vatican, and other "international humanitarian organizations" who will now try to influence The Hague, try to cancel this decision or "make noise"!
March 18, 2023, 11:29:05 AM
It's funny how you see these news stories play out, about a week ago - for no apparent reason - Russia stated that they do not recognize the International Criminal Court. They clearly had someone on the inside feeding them this information, although I don't know how hidden this would necessarily have been. The ICC doesn't have all that much power to enforce this, although it is the right thing to do and are unlikely to get much assistance. It will be more of a voluntarily thing, if Russia eventually comes to it's senses and a new leader comes in who wants to cut ties with the past, they could hand him over. No other country is likely to arrest him because it could consistent an act of war - arresting the active leader of a country.
There is no how that Putin would not have been expecting to be declared an international criminal, he started a war, What is the ICC ruling supposed to be if not against him. Now that his arrest has been called for and a warrant issued for it, It means that Putin will not be able to make any sort of trip to countries where the ICC has power and he will extra cautious now to ensure that a faction of the Russian people do not deliver him to the ICC to have a good face with them and ensure that the future Russian does not suffer for the actions of Putin. 
March 18, 2023, 10:55:18 AM
Well, yes, another ridiculous attempt to make Russia a pariah country by outlawing its president. It is especially hypocritical that this legally insignificant PR action was carried out against the backdrop of the 20th anniversary of the illegal US invasion of Iraq. The International Criminal Court knows full well that it has no authority to try the (with diplomatic immunity) president of a country that has not ratified the Rome Statute. This is another empty informational occasion, not worth much attention, in a politically biased topic that has nothing to do with the economy.
Yes, Russia has not ratified the Rome Statute and will not do so under the Putin regime, and therefore does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court. Putin and his current entourage also do not recognize the established international norms of law, the rules and customs of the war that they unleashed in Ukraine, and generally spit on any public opinion, and also demonstrate that no rules of human behavior apply to them. But still, they will be prosecuted and will suffer a well-deserved punishment.After the issuance of an ICC warrant for Putin's arrest, despite the fact that Russia does not recognize the jurisdiction of this court, any state from 123 countries that acceded to its jurisdiction is obliged to arrest Putin and bring him to the prison of this court in The Hague if he is on their territories.
But this is only the beginning. Now Ukraine has initiated the creation of a separate international tribunal. It is created by general agreement. An agreement on the creation has already been written, there is a preliminary agreement of about eleven countries that they are ready to join, including very serious states. This special tribunal will begin to consider whether the highest political leadership is guilty of war crimes and aggression against Ukraine, and the recognition of its jurisdiction by Putin or other suspects, as well as by Russia as a whole, will not matter, just as the norms of human civilization do not matter now for these criminals.
If proven guilty, they will receive from 30 years in prison to life imprisonment simply for starting a war.
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/mnenie-rossii-uzhe-absolyutno-ne-vazhno-v-gaage-sozdayut-spetsialnyy-tribunal-dlya-suda-nad-putinym-za-prestuplenie-agressii-protiv- ukrainy-/32076126.html
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