Topic: Internet Café: Considering accepting Bitcoins. (Read 2733 times)
True, however I was at a local forum here and was surprised when they invested in some guy's japanese hotdog startup joint so there is sometimes exceptions but dude had a perfect presentation and a sufficient ROI scheme.
Angel investors.. good luck. Having presented a business case there once, I can say with confidence three key things they look for:
- high potential ROI
- clear exit strategy
- confidence in management (read: preferably experience)
OP can offer none of those.
I wont stop him from trying, but chances of him even being allowed to present his case seem slim to non existent.
- high potential ROI
- clear exit strategy
- confidence in management (read: preferably experience)
OP can offer none of those.
I wont stop him from trying, but chances of him even being allowed to present his case seem slim to non existent.
Most of the internet cafe's in my city are all gone it's people sitting in cafe's using their laptops now.
There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
I'm 19 and the UK isn't doing very well financially, so I wouldn't imagine anyone would touch my business idea.There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
This is what 'Angel Investors' are for. Every city typically has an angel investor night where you go present your scheme and look for funding to a bunch of investors. Sadly they are almost always looking for some closed source technology they can license and charge fees for but doens't mean your cafe idea wouldn't get any funding especially if you promoted the bitcoin idea (if it's legal for you to sell bitcoins for cash.. i don't see why not if you claim they are a commodity and don't advertise it as another currency)
Most of the internet cafe's in my city are all gone it's people sitting in cafe's using their laptops now.
There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
I'm 19 and the UK isn't doing very well financially, so I wouldn't imagine anyone would touch my business idea. There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
Unfortunately due to the lovely UK i'm looking at around £35,000 to start up, which is... way out of reach. So for the last year or so i've been doing crappy jobs that make me hate my life a little saving for this goal.
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Borrow money to go to school?
Most of the internet cafe's in my city are all gone it's people sitting in cafe's using their laptops now.
There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
There's two gaming places left run by Koreans and basically the entire customer base is 16-25yr old Koreans on student visas so unless there's a bunch of Korean students in your neighborhood just open a regular cafe and do things like rent-a-laptop where you give them one running a VM snapshot so whatever malware they install is gone after you reboot, and sell bitcoins for cash over the counter.
Sure the UK has some sort of small business startup loans you can get. Here you just apply with a general biz plan for a cafe and 99.99% of time it's granted along with funding as long as you aren't a criminal or have extreme terrible credit. Some uber hipsters just opened a new cafe across from my apartment selling pear, brie, and proscuitto baguettes and the place is already packed everyday (with other hipsters)
Unfortunately due to the lovely UK i'm looking at around £35,000 to start up, which is... way out of reach. So for the last year or so i've been doing crappy jobs that make me hate my life a little saving for this goal.
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Well, I'd consider such a location more as a place to meet new people. I think it's more about the playing/exchanging thoughts than renting computers. Also internet cafe's like that might be ideal for gaming sessions, special events etc, since a lot of people are still hesitant to bring their computers along for a little LAN gaming.
Yeah, but does that make for a profitable business? If your profits are going to come from coffee and drinks, you have a large and expensive establishment that will serve precious few drinks compared to any other bar. I think its a losing business concept and just accepting bitcoin isnt going to turn a losing concept in to a winning one. My 2 cents.
well, if I'm there, I'll eat and drink. and that OP better makes a damn good coffee in geeksize(15oz minimum!). I'll be happy to pay for that, and I consider others will, too.
Yeah, but does that make for a profitable business? If your profits are going to come from coffee and drinks, you have a large and expensive establishment that will serve precious few drinks compared to any other bar. I think its a losing business concept and just accepting bitcoin isnt going to turn a losing concept in to a winning one. My 2 cents.
Coffee and drinks are where the profit is. For instance, Wendy's (the burger chain) sells their soft drinks starting above $1 each, and their real cost is closer to 8 cents each. Starbucks has even higher prices, with not significantly greater cost.Another example: Gas stations often break even on gas sales, while occasionally making a loss, and even more occasionally a slight profit. The money comes from the convenience store that is inevitably selling.... You guessed it, food and drinks.
hmm, in germany it is illegal to sell gas below wholesale purchasing price...
Another example: Gas stations often break even on gas sales, while occasionally making a loss, and even more occasionally a slight profit. The money comes from the convenience store that is inevitably selling.... You guessed it, food and drinks.
People still need to refill their gas tanks, there is no obvious trend against that. Come the day solar powered cars become mainstream, good luck opening a gas station + shop that also sells foods and drinks.
There are successful chains of internet cafes in many parts of the world.
There are still companies that make money producing and servicing pay phones. You can be successful in ANY market, that doesnt mean its smart to pick a business that serves an evaporating market. But go ahead and prove me wrong, then and only then, feel free to call me an idiot.
Yeah, but does that make for a profitable business? If your profits are going to come from coffee and drinks, you have a large and expensive establishment that will serve precious few drinks compared to any other bar. I think its a losing business concept and just accepting bitcoin isnt going to turn a losing concept in to a winning one. My 2 cents.
Coffee and drinks are where the profit is. For instance, Wendy's (the burger chain) sells their soft drinks starting above $1 each, and their real cost is closer to 8 cents each. Starbucks has even higher prices, with not significantly greater cost.Another example: Gas stations often break even on gas sales, while occasionally making a loss, and even more occasionally a slight profit. The money comes from the convenience store that is inevitably selling.... You guessed it, food and drinks.
Well, I'd consider such a location more as a place to meet new people. I think it's more about the playing/exchanging thoughts than renting computers. Also internet cafe's like that might be ideal for gaming sessions, special events etc, since a lot of people are still hesitant to bring their computers along for a little LAN gaming.
Yeah, but does that make for a profitable business? If your profits are going to come from coffee and drinks, you have a large and expensive establishment that will serve precious few drinks compared to any other bar. I think its a losing business concept and just accepting bitcoin isnt going to turn a losing concept in to a winning one. My 2 cents.
There are successful chains of internet cafes in many parts of the world. To say it is a losing business concept is like saying fast food is a losing business concept. Sure fast food is losing market share in the US relative to more upmarket options. This is particularly true in affluent urban areas. That says nothing about the viability of a particular fast food restaurant. You need to understand the details of the proposal and the local supply and demand situation before you can evaluate the project.
tl;dr: P4man = idiot
Well, I'd consider such a location more as a place to meet new people. I think it's more about the playing/exchanging thoughts than renting computers. Also internet cafe's like that might be ideal for gaming sessions, special events etc, since a lot of people are still hesitant to bring their computers along for a little LAN gaming.
Yeah, but does that make for a profitable business? If your profits are going to come from coffee and drinks, you have a large and expensive establishment that will serve precious few drinks compared to any other bar. I think its a losing business concept and just accepting bitcoin isnt going to turn a losing concept in to a winning one. My 2 cents.
little question on the side... when you open up an internet cafe with computers equipped for gaming, how will you stop people from mining the coins they pay you? I mean, you're basically attracting a target group that will try this exactly.
Who cares? They're paying (the equivalent of) dollars by the hour to be there, while the mining produces pennies per hour. Sounds profitable. They're paying for the computer time, let them mine!
The owner cares. A dozen PCs mining at full speed will eat up lots of power, the hardware will deteriate much faster, and he'll get a heat problem, or some problems with his AC. We all know mining wouldnt pay the bill for the customer, but is that stopping anyone from doing it? probably not. If you open up a business like this you always have to factor things like how often are you going to buy new hardware into your rental price.
Managing the bitcoin price should be fairly easy. A fairly simple script tied into the MtGox api would be all that's needed. Check for current price every time minute (or whatever), update BTC price. When someone pays by BTC have it pay to one of your MtGox addresses, and the same time execute a sale at the transacted price (via the api). You'll always have a bit of float in BTC anyway so this acts as a buffer for the time delay of the payment clearing. As long as your float covers typical 60 minute BTC sales volume you don't take any price risk at all (well, besides your float, so good to set that up when the price is low).
the problem with this is that you'd have to agree on a price before the customer uses his computer, because we all know that even within a session of only 60 minutes the price can go up and more likely down by more than a dollar.
I had the same dream when I was 20. I wanted to start a geek computer shop annex internet cafe. I wanted to use it to give internet and PC training courses too. But that was long before internet became ubiquitous and rendered not only the internet cafe obsolete, but the geek shops too. So Ive long shelved that idea, today almost no one has a need for such a place here. Who doesnt have internet? Most have it in their pocket.
Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16
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Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16
.Well, I'd consider such a location more as a place to meet new people. I think it's more about the playing/exchanging thoughts than renting computers. Also internet cafe's like that might be ideal for gaming sessions, special events etc, since a lot of people are still hesitant to bring their computers along for a little LAN gaming.
The best way to go about implementing this is BitPay. There already are some restaurants that allow for purchases to be paid for this way.
I had the same dream when I was 20. I wanted to start a geek computer shop annex internet cafe. I wanted to use it to give internet and PC training courses too. But that was long before internet became ubiquitous and rendered not only the internet cafe obsolete, but the geek shops too. So Ive long shelved that idea, today almost no one has a need for such a place here. Who doesnt have internet? Most have it in their pocket.
Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16.
Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16
.As I implied above, there is a large cultural element to this. In some Asian countries, where broadband is ubiquitous, people still like going to public places to play their video games. It can be a social activity. The cafe provides a place for young teenagers to hang out.
This is even true in some Asian communities in US cities. So the OP's idea could work in the appropriate setting.
I had the same dream when I was 20. I wanted to start a geek computer shop annex internet cafe. I wanted to use it to give internet and PC training courses too. But that was long before internet became ubiquitous and rendered not only the internet cafe obsolete, but the geek shops too. So Ive long shelved that idea, today almost no one has a need for such a place here. Who doesnt have internet? Most have it in their pocket.
Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16.
Then some 10 years ago I made a trip across Latin America. I fell in love with guatemala and I ended up talking to an internet cafe owner there that wanted to sell his business, and I was interested for a while. But then I realized that while computers and internet may not be as ubiquitous yet there as here in Europe, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure if that time has already come there, but at the very least the tourists they relied on mostly will have their smartphones and tablets with them.
Also when I look at the prices of the few internet cafe's that have not closed their doors (yet), I cant say it looks like a profitable business. Its a dying niche market IMO. You should have done it when you where 16
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Managing the bitcoin price should be fairly easy. A fairly simple script tied into the MtGox api would be all that's needed. Check for current price every time minute (or whatever), update BTC price. When someone pays by BTC have it pay to one of your MtGox addresses, and the same time execute a sale at the transacted price (via the api). You'll always have a bit of float in BTC anyway so this acts as a buffer for the time delay of the payment clearing. As long as your float covers typical 60 minute BTC sales volume you don't take any price risk at all (well, besides your float, so good to set that up when the price is low).
The two ideas mentioned above have also occurred to me:
1) Putting the computers to work mining when not rented.
2) Operating an in-person bitcoin exchange on site.
These are attractive ideas. Still, I doubt that these factors alone could support the business. They would provide a competitive advantage. It's profoundly important that there be demand for video game cafes in the area where you are located. In some locations, these kinds of places are not popular.
In other places I have been (China, Taiwan, Japan, ...), internet cafes do quite well.
1) Putting the computers to work mining when not rented.
2) Operating an in-person bitcoin exchange on site.
These are attractive ideas. Still, I doubt that these factors alone could support the business. They would provide a competitive advantage. It's profoundly important that there be demand for video game cafes in the area where you are located. In some locations, these kinds of places are not popular.
In other places I have been (China, Taiwan, Japan, ...), internet cafes do quite well.
However, you could also do a local cash for bitcoins exchange. That could help your business model.
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