Topic: Introduce a "Up vote & Down vote" system instead of the "Merit" system - page 2. (Read 420 times)

You understand the fact that this forum is filled with trolls and people who dont give a shit about others?

Do you know that this forum is full of shitposters who are trying their best to get some merits by making threads like this and hoping some kind-hearted merit source to rain some merits on them?

Do you know that the forum is plagued by shitposters from every corner of this world who try to get into signature campaigns just for a few bucks everyday?

An upvote/downvote system will be abused to everyone who makes a radical comment on another persons thread and thus have a bad effect on the forum environment.

People giving sMerits to their own accounts are tagged by DT members upon complaining. There are threads for revealing such actions, and if you see any, you can report them their so that they can be tagged. And also, such actions wont last long as they will soon run out of Merits because of the fact that you get 1 sMerit for 2 Merits you get. So even if they keep exchanging them to each other, they will run out pretty soon.


Again, if you see something suspicious, just report it. Just because some people are misusing the system, it doesn't mean the system is useless.  


It is not always about caring, but not all Merit carrying people can read all the constructive posts every day. I know that there are a lot of constructive posts that are not Merited, but that is only because of the crowd we have in the forum these days. Many constructive posts are not seen by most of the people because of the so many replies after them. Now people don't really open up all the pages to find the merit worthy posts and merit them, but they do it with the ones they come across.


Would you mind mentioning a few? We would really like to see the discussions happening in those groups.


It is not slowing it down, but it is preventing spammers from over-using the Merits they have got after the Merit distribution. If someone could get 1 sMerit for 1 Merit received, the system would have been totally useless as anyone could use even 1 Merit to rank up all his accounts by exchanging it between them again & again.


Signature campaigns are a bonus for users. As long as someone is not running 10 to 20 accounts joining so many signature campaigns to earn money, it is not a bad thing.


It is not important to post too many posts to get Merits. Even if you post 3 to 5 posts  a day, then at least make them constructive enough to attract some readers. And even if 2 of your posts get Merited, you are done for the day.


Yeah! So that people with hundreds of accounts start spamming the threads with up & down votes as there are not limits on creating accounts on the forum and there should be no restrictions for anyone as per your solution. I think there can be no better way of spoiling the forum than this.


Rewarded with useless up or down votes? That is exactly what will happen if a system like that is implemented where every single person is allowed to contribute. It will be an heck of a system for spammers to play around the forum. The forum will become the play-ground of spammers.

And, i prefer Merit rather Up and Down. In fact, Merit can be abused by Higher Rank. So, with easier system like that. I am sure more abuse will happen.
So that is example how the system abused.

On the other forum I use there is similar system, where you downvote spam and useless, off-topic posts and upvote quality ones. Points resets every 24h, and amount of those points to vote depends on the forum rank of user. It's not a bad system, but people tend to give negative points even to good posts just because they disagree with poster. On the other hand, because points are renewed every day, there is no reason to hold them.

Then please correct me sir

In my simple understanding only this words I could say:

There is no such perfect things in this world. Merit is not yet fully grown for it has been month. Everything is under construction.

In essence the merit system is not really about individual posts, but it is a key for a member to unlock the gate to a rank update. Thus, you need to step back and stop thinking about individual posts. The rank is intended to be an indication of the seniority and usefulness of a member, and all of his posts should count towards that.

I didn't read the whole of your book, maybe you could extract the salient points if you really want it to be considered.

you are wrong

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Merit system was introduced with a good purpose; For get rid of spammers and account farmers.

The intention is noble but i think the merit system is not as good as it should be.
I present following facts to support my argument and correct me if i am wrong.  

My argument

1.Most of the scammers who adopted earlier in to the Bitcointalk forum now has higher ranked accounts. They are not being punished by the merit system. Now may be they use their higher rank accounts to farm more accounts by giving smerits.

2.I have seen lot of useless posts of higher rank members, which have been received lot of merits. (I think all of you must have noticed that.) .
Most of the people who have smerits give their smerits only to higher rank members (with the hope of getting merits back) without considering the quality of the post.
If you don't believe, Please check past posts of members with many merit points, you will find some of them have received hundreds of merits without sending at least one constructive post.  

3. I've seen many very good posts by Jr.members which haven't received merits. Most people doesn't care about newbies and Jr.members because they have no smerits to give merit back.
4. Even if someone post a very good post or a reply if it is not get noticed by a person who gives merits by considering the qulity of the post, the post is not rewarded. ( Some forums are not get noticed well)
5. There are telegram groups where people share their merits. If you don't believe please do some research.
6. 2 merits = 1 smerit rule is fundamentally slowing down the merit system.

Some people present following arguments, which i couldn't accept, to support merit system.

1. Ranking up is not essential because Bitcointalk is not for doing signature campaigns. (So then why 80% of members do it??? The funny fact is some people tell that while doing a signature campaign.  )
2. Post more posts then you will be rewarded. ( Most of us cannot post more than 3 good posts per day because we cannot be here all day.  )


My solution

1.Replacing the merit system with "Up vote & Down vote" or "Positive & Negative karma" system like in Reddit and Steemit will be the most wise decision.
2.Every member(or higher than jr.member) should be allowed to up vote or down vote a post or a reply.
3.Ranking up should be based on total votes (up votes - down votes = total votes) a member received.
3.Up voters and down voters should be visible to every one.
4.People who up voting useless posts (By spammers) should be noticed.
5.Number of Total up votes and down votes a person have per day should be limited.
6.Voting shouldn't be allowed in bounty threads.

Advantages

1. Every one can participate.
2. Even if a spammer or a account farmer up voted a post other people can down vote it. So total votes will be based on majority. Spamming will be harder.
3. Very fair. Every person can get up votes by posting good posts and get their rank up.
4. Spammers can be identified.
5. Every good post will be rewarded.

Note
 
Please correct me where i am wrong.  

Edited

Looks like most of the people don't like the idea. Some of the experienced members have pointed out faults in the proposed system. Thanks to them.  

I just wanted to create a meaningful discussion because i felt the current system is not doing well.
It seems majority of active members and experienced members like the merit system.  

Thank you all for feedback.