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Topic: Introducing Clinch - a PvP bitcoin lightning wagering platform! - page 2. (Read 710 times)

sr. member
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Here are the geos where Clinch is not available due to local regulation:

Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Aruba, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Benin, Bolivia, Bolivia, Botswana, Burundi, Cambodia, Cayman Islands, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, North Korea, Congo - Kinshasa, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands, Fiji, French Polynesia, Ghana, Gibraltar, Greenland, Guam, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Honduras, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Macao, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Monaco, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Niue, Norfolk Island, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Palestine, Panama, Pitcaim, Russia, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Timor-Leste, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkmenistan Tuvalu, Uganda Ukraine, Virgin Islands, Vanuatu, Holy See Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zimbabwe, Belgium, Bulgaria, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Czechia, Egypt, Estonia, France, French Guiana, French Southern Territories, Greece, Hungary, Indonesia, India, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Malaysia, Malta, Montenegro, Nigeria, North Macedonia, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Türkiye, India

In the United States, these states are also restricted:
Arkansas, Louisiana, Connecticut, South Dakota ,Delaware, Indiana, Maine


That said, VPN users may have a different experience.... To be clear, I am not suggesting to use a VPN, just saying that VPN users may have a different experience.  Just sayin' Smiley

Let me see if I can get approval from the big bosses at THNDR for the copper membership Smiley

If you are talking of local regulations against casino or game then I think you are getting it wrong or may be you did not really get to do your own research because I can access other gambling and casino website with ease here in my country.

As a matter of fact, there are casino offices in my country and people go there live to bet and play games as it pleases them. No laws against gambling in my country so I wonder where or who told you that my country has regulations against casinos. Well it is up to you to do your own research as you are missing out of my country gambling industry.
legendary
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Want to follow up on a few points:


- Geo restrictions.  The geo restrictions are there due to local regulation.  As you can guess, we are are avoiding legal troubles from local authorities.  I'm fairly confident that most legit companies would attempt to abide by existing laws. 


I believe that for those regions that have a definite ban on gambling, avoid. Plus the countries that are under U.S. sanctions like North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and a few other countries.

BUT some smaller services under the radar could accept users from most regions, no?

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- Yes, you are paid after every win.  Your winnings will land in your bitcoin lightning wallet when the match is completed and a winner is found.  No minimums for withdrawals, and none of that other nonsense.  

- No deposits.  Every wager is a payment from your bitcoin lightning wallet.  We do not require any minimum deposit or any of that nonsense.  


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That's the main concept of building on top of the blockchain, but Bitcoin has very low throughput. Lightning will fix this.

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- No KYC.  Pretty straightforward.  Most Lightning Address enabled wallets are compatible with the platform.  That is all that is required.


That's the advantage of a system built on top and operating directly on top of a decentralized network. You probably should open source your UI and let other developers build their own to connect into your service. Cool

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- No bots.  As mentioned earlier, we hash all moves by all players and verify that what they submitted to the server are legitimate moves and scores.  

- Yes, Clinch is skill-based.  In a head-to-head match-up, both players received the same 'seed'.  That means the cards are laid out in the exact same order for both players.  Some decks are unsolvable and some are easily solvable.  Either way, the best players will be most efficient with their moves in order to score the most points.


Lastly, try Clinch.  There is a chat board inside the app where you can ask questions to real players if you have your doubts.  No need to even place your first wager if you dont want to.  

If you really want to test it, then make a wager at the lowest tier and see how it works.  We welcome you!


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hero member
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Well, welcome to the forum. I hope the gambling service offered here on this platform will be good. I looked at its platform, and it looks okay, although I don't like the games you mentioned,
like Solitaire. Because most of the games I only play are slot games and Baccarat from time to time.

Sometimes I also play dice games but never solitaire, and I don't even know if there is also solitaire in the casino I play at, or maybe I just don't notice it.
newbie
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Want to follow up on a few points:


- Geo restrictions.  The geo restrictions are there due to local regulation.  As you can guess, we are are avoiding legal troubles from local authorities.  I'm fairly confident that most legit companies would attempt to abide by existing laws. 

- Yes, you are paid after every win.  Your winnings will land in your bitcoin lightning wallet when the match is completed and a winner is found.  No minimums for withdrawals, and none of that other nonsense.  

- No deposits.  Every wager is a payment from your bitcoin lightning wallet.  We do not require any minimum deposit or any of that nonsense.  

- No KYC.  Pretty straightforward.  Most Lightning Address enabled wallets are compatible with the platform.  That is all that is required.

- No bots.  As mentioned earlier, we hash all moves by all players and verify that what they submitted to the server are legitimate moves and scores.  

- Yes, Clinch is skill-based.  In a head-to-head match-up, both players received the same 'seed'.  That means the cards are laid out in the exact same order for both players.  Some decks are unsolvable and some are easily solvable.  Either way, the best players will be most efficient with their moves in order to score the most points.


Lastly, try Clinch.  There is a chat board inside the app where you can ask questions to real players if you have your doubts.  No need to even place your first wager if you dont want to.  

If you really want to test it, then make a wager at the lowest tier and see how it works.  We welcome you!
jr. member
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There are regional restrictions largely due to distributing via the App Store. But regulation around skill-based wagering is constantly changing, so we are updating the game regularly to include new countries and territories where it's allowed.
Now, that's a good sign I believe and when more countries and territories are added then players from those places can also enjoy the platform and have some fun with it. If there are APP Store policies that pose those restrictions then why not to allow more people on website directly and limit them on App Store version only if possible.

I hope the situation will get even better with time and all the people that are interested will be able to use the product that was presented.
And, as it was said - it's great that the project utilizes the Lightning Network.
legendary
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Despite my interest on playing PvP games I’m always hesitant to try this type of game online because there’s no way to verify if you are playing against player, bot or player using tools to play against you.

But I like the idea of PVP solitaire because this is one way to apply gambling on this card game. I just don’t know how can you guarantee fairness on each game that every player is playing against 100% real player on the other hand with fair games.

Btw nice website you’ve got. Aside from my trust issue your casino might be a hit in the future.


But to BOT a simple game like solitaire, which doesn't depend on player-psychology, could merely be played efficiently in one way. Your path to winning or losing would depend on the cards and if it's shuffled in your favor. If you're playing with a bot, then all you will need to do is play according to the next card. But for online card games, the "shuffle" will depend on the RNG.

OP, welcome to BitcoinTalk, and kudos to you and your service for building something that utilizes the Lightning Network!

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There are regional restrictions largely due to distributing via the App Store. But regulation around skill-based wagering is constantly changing, so we are updating the game regularly to include new countries and territories where it's allowed.
Now, that's a good sign I believe and when more countries and territories are added then players from those places can also enjoy the platform and have some fun with it. If there are APP Store policies that pose those restrictions then why not to allow more people on website directly and limit them on App Store version only if possible.
hero member
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Good to see a platform that integrate lightening network into it payment system, this Indeed a good sign that users will have to spend less fees and faster transactions on this casino because at some point so for sure we need to play along with what we have as an improvement, and I hope other prominent casinos will also make implementation of lightening network too in the near future so as to improve the level of their payment system.


So I welcome you guys to the forum and do well to also make a proper ANN thread as your first page still lack adequate graphics that could serve as a pipping window into what to expect from your site.
legendary
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Here are the geos where Clinch is not available due to local regulation
Wow  Shocked
That is a huge number of countries with restrictions to access Clinch!
I am having trouble starting it, and I thought bitcoin services should be available for everyone and not restrict players based on their location so much.
Is there any KYC verification for using this game?
newbie
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Just checked your site out and I am mighty impressed with several areas such as the stylish UI, comprehensive FAQ answering many important queries and the lightning network inclusion.

Your team does need to work on the ANN though since it's very, very barebones and first impressions are usually read through it within this forum. All the best team.

Thank you!  Yes, we will take this into consideration.  Smiley
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Just checked your site out and I am mighty impressed with several areas such as the stylish UI, comprehensive FAQ answering many important queries and the lightning network inclusion.

Your team does need to work on the ANN though since it's very, very barebones and first impressions are usually read through it within this forum. All the best team.
newbie
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It seems that he is quite active and part of the team that knows and reports feedback to the whole team
Sorry but how did you conclude this while it’s a newbie account with just one post?
You must be confusing user desisdead with the OP (adamTHNDR) The former is most likely a team member too but we should wait for a confirmation from the OP.
It would be better if they use a single account to respond here to avoid confusion like what happened here.

'desisdead' is, in fact, part of the team.  Des uses this handle everywhere.  Neither of us are Anon.  As mentioned in above responses, its not too hard to find us if you Google our names + THNDR Games.  We pop up in a lot of places. 
legendary
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It seems that he is quite active and part of the team that knows and reports feedback to the whole team
Sorry but how did you conclude this while it’s a newbie account with just one post?
You must be confusing user desisdead with the OP (adamTHNDR) The former is most likely a team member too but we should wait for a confirmation from the OP.
It would be better if they use a single account to respond here to avoid confusion like what happened here.
legendary
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There are regional restrictions largely due to distributing via the App Store. But regulation around skill-based wagering is constantly changing, so we are updating the game regularly to include new countries and territories where it's allowed.
Are you also a part of the team running this project, because from your statement, it seems so and for sure we may directly channel some few questions to you since you are active here in the thread, nice to know also from previous comment that you guys are in for a long term deal and at that we can only expect the best if and when the team keep working together to get something new and classic to their customers.

Also as suggested there is a need for you guys to also pay close attention to the issue of promotions because it is through promotion that you can easily reach your expected audience.
It seems that he is quite active and part of the team that knows and reports feedback to the whole team, it is a good thing for the improvement of a game service, he can respond directly to what consumers want because he has a close relationship with the development team.
Marketing on forums, yes it is the best choice to increase audience or exposure so that people who like the service that is the product will get more consumers, not a few successful projects from marketing that are very potential.
newbie
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Will it work with electrum which is not a typical lightning wallet but has the feature available?
No, unfotunately, you won’t be able to make/receive payments with Electrum.
After signing up, you'll be prompted to choose one of these lightning wallets: Blink, Pouch, Speed Wallet, Strike, Wallet of Satoshi, ZBD.

This makes sense since the above wallets create lightning addresses (unlike electrum) which is needed to automate payments. By using lightning addresses you won’t need to manually provide a new invoice each time you win a game and want to withdraw.

Exactly.  Thank you for sharing this info.  Lightning Addresses is how we manage the instant winning payouts.  No messing with invoices Smiley
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Will it work with electrum which is not a typical lightning wallet but has the feature available?
No, unfotunately, you won’t be able to make/receive payments with Electrum.
After signing up, you'll be prompted to choose one of these lightning wallets: Blink, Pouch, Speed Wallet, Strike, Wallet of Satoshi, ZBD.

This makes sense since the above wallets create lightning addresses (unlike electrum) which is needed to automate payments. By using lightning addresses you won’t need to manually provide a new invoice each time you win a game and want to withdraw.
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There are regional restrictions largely due to distributing via the App Store. But regulation around skill-based wagering is constantly changing, so we are updating the game regularly to include new countries and territories where it's allowed.
Are you also a part of the team running this project, because from your statement, it seems so and for sure we may directly channel some few questions to you since you are active here in the thread, nice to know also from previous comment that you guys are in for a long term deal and at that we can only expect the best if and when the team keep working together to get something new and classic to their customers.

Also as suggested there is a need for you guys to also pay close attention to the issue of promotions because it is through promotion that you can easily reach your expected audience.
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We believe instant payouts is one of our key value propositions. 
Welcome to the forum, that's a really awesome feature which a platform offers but I saw that the platform you're promoting here isn't available in many regions and if that's the case then what if users go with a VPN to avoid regional restrictions. It's good to know that you guys somehow allow VPN connections but is there any safeguard that the ones who use VPN may not have any problems in future?

I would also suggest you to first purchase Cooper membership and update the announcement thread with some images. And, once the announcement thread is fully updated then it's far better to do some marketing here to get more exposure. I suggest you to talk with Icopress, he's an awesome manager who can help you a lot in marketing. Best of Luck.


There are regional restrictions largely due to distributing via the App Store. But regulation around skill-based wagering is constantly changing, so we are updating the game regularly to include new countries and territories where it's allowed.
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Here are the geos where Clinch is not available due to local regulation:

That's a long list of countries that are restricted from using the platform I'm glad that my country is not part of it so I can check the platform, This is the first solitaire platform that I have encountered, Solitaire is very popular among card players so I'm sure with the marketing and good referral rewards you have a chance for your platform to be popular


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That said, VPN users may have a different experience.... To be clear, I am not suggesting to use a VPN, just saying that VPN users may have a different experience.  Just sayin' Smiley
I didn't see on your terms and FAQ users prohibiting from using VPN, or maybe I missed it but can you clarify if this is allowed or not?

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Let me see if I can get approval from the big bosses at THNDR for the copper membership Smiley
If you're big bosses is interested in getting the most of promotion here on Bitcointalk, they should consider you upgrading your account it will cost you a few dollars the benefits outweigh the cost
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- Jay -
At the moment, only bitcoin lightning.  But you can use a variety of bitcoin lightning wallets that have Lightning Address functionality. 
Will it work with electrum which is not a typical lightning wallet but has the feature available?

One more thing that might help, you should not type consecutively to reply to multiple inquiries. You can add them into one text, quoting each reply separately before making your reply.

- Jay -
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