Topic: Irish Government Pays Artists & Musicians $330 ‘Basic Income’ Allowance - page 2. (Read 254 times)
September 16, 2022, 09:30:19 AM
artist doesn't sound like a job but i'd like to get a basic income by just posing around the alley's corner sitting on the invisible chair with my hat upside down in front. so whats the rob? it doesn't really look like its going to help the economy.
$330 is a nice basic income hope they are not pressured to produce NFT art thru the governments NFT market.
September 16, 2022, 09:15:11 AM
The idea here being that Ireland is looking to restore it's tourism and entertainment sector, so they're issuing a UBI to produce creative content.
My guess is this will have a negative ROI, as with most UBI expenditures. The government isn't as good as allocating funds as the market would allow. Meaning, if the tourism industry is sunk due to COVID, investing into UBI for musicians and artists in order to restore a dead industry that the market hasn't afforded a recovery for yet is money down the drain.
UBI only works if there was some seismic economic event that put a large segment of the working population out the workforce. COVID and the entertainment tourism industry hardly qualifies.
My guess is this will have a negative ROI, as with most UBI expenditures. The government isn't as good as allocating funds as the market would allow. Meaning, if the tourism industry is sunk due to COVID, investing into UBI for musicians and artists in order to restore a dead industry that the market hasn't afforded a recovery for yet is money down the drain.
UBI only works if there was some seismic economic event that put a large segment of the working population out the workforce. COVID and the entertainment tourism industry hardly qualifies.
September 16, 2022, 08:19:07 AM
Some countries have recently started paying basic incomes to people who are unable to work and who do not have a normal income. But the organizations and governments have changed their minds over time and now they will pay a normal basic income to different people in their country. For example, in this case, paying a basic income to artists and musicians can make a big difference because they will work for money anymore and they are not under pressure because of economic issues or they will have fewer economic problems which can help them in their lives.
September 14, 2022, 11:59:17 PM
The problem with artists is that only a few of them manage to make a living from it, being the normal thing that they combine their passion with jobs that give them a living.
What this kind of help does is to stop them from looking for a main job, even if they are mediocre musicians or writers.
In a market without intervention, the best ones live off their passion, others who are good but not so good have their passion as a part-time job and the worst ones disappear.
What this does is to support mediocrity, instead of excellence.
Having said that, I want to clarify that I am not against public aid to people with low income per se, but not as a universal solution offered by politicians to the problems created by themselves.
What this kind of help does is to stop them from looking for a main job, even if they are mediocre musicians or writers.
In a market without intervention, the best ones live off their passion, others who are good but not so good have their passion as a part-time job and the worst ones disappear.
What this does is to support mediocrity, instead of excellence.
Having said that, I want to clarify that I am not against public aid to people with low income per se, but not as a universal solution offered by politicians to the problems created by themselves.
September 14, 2022, 11:41:45 PM
Meanwhile, in our country, when the government talks about giving you a project-based commissions related to visual arts(e.g., mural painting, storybooks designing) they either release your payment months after the job is finished or they underpay you so much that even two months' worth of rent can't cover.
If only most countries were like this, I doubt there would still be artists who suffered from inequity
If only most countries were like this, I doubt there would still be artists who suffered from inequity
September 14, 2022, 06:16:57 PM
I think in theory it looks like a good idea but it'd be interesting to get a more robust programme for something like this in place (I'm not sure if they have one already). As in maybe offer guides on how similar people have made it in the past or offer this over a shorter timeframe (although that might ramp up the pressure too much).
I see a lot of people on social media trying to set up businesses and getting a good audience from it (whether the audience just enjoy watching the livestreams, are forced there by the algorithm or actively participate in the person's business is something I wouldn't know).
The arts is a tentative industry at the moment imo (especially for actors/love performers) so this might do something to help realign that industry. I hope it encourages musicians and singers to make more/reasonable demands on record companies too if they're signed.
I don't think the cryptospace for nfts is developed well enough to be decentralised to offer a way for these people to produce things and get recognised yet though either.
I see a lot of people on social media trying to set up businesses and getting a good audience from it (whether the audience just enjoy watching the livestreams, are forced there by the algorithm or actively participate in the person's business is something I wouldn't know).
The arts is a tentative industry at the moment imo (especially for actors/love performers) so this might do something to help realign that industry. I hope it encourages musicians and singers to make more/reasonable demands on record companies too if they're signed.
I don't think the cryptospace for nfts is developed well enough to be decentralised to offer a way for these people to produce things and get recognised yet though either.
September 14, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
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The Irish government is now paying 2,000 artists, musicians, writers, and performers a ‘basic income’ of €325 ($329) each week.
The plan for the Basic Income for Artists was originally announced back in January 2022. The Minister for Culture and Arts is spending around €25m ($23.3M) on the initiative. Over 9,000 people applied to join the program, with 2,000 accepted. Those who were accepted into the program were selected anonymously and at random. According to the BBC, musicians, and artists make up the bulk of recipients, who will receive the stipend for three years.
The basic income initiative was set up for those working in the arts by a task force appointed by the Irish Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sports and Media, Catherine Martin.
The task force was created to suggest ways the arts could recover from the damage caused by the pandemic. One of the stipulations of joining the program is taking part in a research project to determine the impact of the payment.
Dublin has the highest number of recipients of the Irish Basic Income for musicians grant, at 764. Cork has 212, and Galway has 148 recipients. The breakdown for recipients is 700 visual artists, 584 musicians, 204 film creatives, and 184 writers. Around 170 actors and others working on theater projects were also selected. That includes 32 dancers and choreographers, 13 circus artists, and 10 architects. 50 of the recipients work in the Irish language.
The high demand for the basic income stipend was acknowledged by the government. Irish Minister for Tourism Catherine Martin says, “there will be a lot of disappointed people today who applied and didn’t get selected. I am very grateful to everyone who took the time to apply and I understand their disappointment.”
“Ireland could lead the way on a new model to support people active in the sector, recognizing its importance to all people,” she adds.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/12/irish-government-basic-income-artists-musicians/
The plan for the Basic Income for Artists was originally announced back in January 2022. The Minister for Culture and Arts is spending around €25m ($23.3M) on the initiative. Over 9,000 people applied to join the program, with 2,000 accepted. Those who were accepted into the program were selected anonymously and at random. According to the BBC, musicians, and artists make up the bulk of recipients, who will receive the stipend for three years.
The basic income initiative was set up for those working in the arts by a task force appointed by the Irish Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sports and Media, Catherine Martin.
The task force was created to suggest ways the arts could recover from the damage caused by the pandemic. One of the stipulations of joining the program is taking part in a research project to determine the impact of the payment.
Dublin has the highest number of recipients of the Irish Basic Income for musicians grant, at 764. Cork has 212, and Galway has 148 recipients. The breakdown for recipients is 700 visual artists, 584 musicians, 204 film creatives, and 184 writers. Around 170 actors and others working on theater projects were also selected. That includes 32 dancers and choreographers, 13 circus artists, and 10 architects. 50 of the recipients work in the Irish language.
The high demand for the basic income stipend was acknowledged by the government. Irish Minister for Tourism Catherine Martin says, “there will be a lot of disappointed people today who applied and didn’t get selected. I am very grateful to everyone who took the time to apply and I understand their disappointment.”
“Ireland could lead the way on a new model to support people active in the sector, recognizing its importance to all people,” she adds.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/12/irish-government-basic-income-artists-musicians/
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Forms of UBI (Universal Basic Income) have been deployed recently.
Above we see ireland offering UBI to artists and musicians.
There are also crypto based forms of UBI such as the good dollar program:
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I think denmark and perhaps a few other european nations are known for running stipend based (UBI) programs for college students.
For them to be successful however the politicians running them need to be somewhat honest and reliable. Which may not be something every nation on earth has.
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