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Topic: Is a mini ICE AGE on the way? Scientists warn the sun will 'go to sleep' (Read 1430 times)

legendary
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A solar model prediction is fundamentally different than "speculation."

It's more like predicting what happens when a car goes up a hill.  It slows down, or you give it more gas.  You might speculate a bit about how much it slows down or how much more gas to give it...
Fundamentally? Not really. That's like stating that scientists were never wrong, but the often are. Predicting solar storms is also often wrong.
Anyhow I'd like for more scientists to confirm this, as I've been finding false stories more often. Either the media is really ignorant and has no clues what it is doing or they are doing this on purpose. I could read 1 story about this in 1 newspaper and a completely other one also related to this in another.

Like I previously said, the impact isn't going to be that severe nor do we need to start worrying about it +-15 years before it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The position I would hold is that because of our increased population, the effects would scale proportionately.

for example...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/opinion/sunday/lessons-from-the-little-ice-age.html?_r=0

 the cold did take a more direct toll. Western Europe experienced the worst harvest of the century in 1648. Rioting broke out in Sicily, Stockholm and elsewhere when bread prices spiked. In the Alps, poor growing seasons became the norm in the 1640s, and records document the disappearance of fields, farmsteads and even whole villages as glaciers advanced to the farthest extent since the last Ice Age. One consequence of crop failures and food shortages stands out in French military records: Soldiers born in the second half of the 1600s were, on average, an inch shorter than those born after 1700, and those born in the famine years were noticeably shorter than the rest.

Few areas of the world survived the 17th century unscathed by extreme weather. In China, a combination of droughts and disastrous harvests, coupled with rising tax demands and cutbacks in government programs, unleashed a wave of banditry and chaos; starving Manchu clansmen from the north undertook a brutal conquest that lasted a generation. North America and West Africa both experienced famines and savage wars. In India, drought followed by floods killed over a million people in Gujarat between 1627 and 1630. In Japan, a mass rebellion broke out on the island of Kyushu following several poor harvests. Five years later, famine, followed by an unusually severe winter, killed perhaps 500,000 Japanese.


Maybe I am wrong in this position.  It's possible, because we are NOT discussing physical phenomena such as the internal Solar dynamics, but the reaction of humans to climate change.

By the way, you noted "I'd like for more solar scientists to confirm this."  Actually, solar scientists have been predicting this for about five years.  Look back in this thread, you will find my discussing it from prior published research.  Essentially it is an area of "Non Denier" research that has not been much paid attention to and in some cases, covered up.  For example, the 3rd IPCC report does not mention solar influences on climate at all and follows the Al Gore/Michael Mann pattern of striking out of existence the Little Ice Age.  But I can see how you might have a skeptical point of view, thinking this was the first published result on this subject.

legendary
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A solar model prediction is fundamentally different than "speculation."

It's more like predicting what happens when a car goes up a hill.  It slows down, or you give it more gas.  You might speculate a bit about how much it slows down or how much more gas to give it...
Fundamentally? Not really. That's like stating that scientists were never wrong, but the often are. Predicting solar storms is also often wrong.
Anyhow I'd like for more scientists to confirm this, as I've been finding false stories more often. Either the media is really ignorant and has no clues what it is doing or they are doing this on purpose. I could read 1 story about this in 1 newspaper and a completely other one also related to this in another.

Like I previously said, the impact isn't going to be that severe nor do we need to start worrying about it +-15 years before it happens.
legendary
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I've read about this from other sources. This is not related to the Earth as it isn't doing anything unusual, but rather the sun. However, I do agree with you that there are a lot of people who are mostly just wasting resources and have minimum to zero contribution to the greater good.
I don't see why we should really put much thought into this. It is just a prediction, and as such they can often be wrong (check the speculation section of this very forum). There is a lot of time before this even happens, so we can just wait it out. We shouldn't worry too much either, as there is really nothing that we can do about it (in case that it does happen).

Yeah but I think atleast we must begin to cautious about this issue, and learn to how face it when the time has come. The "ice age" should not be a problem then if we have known what we will do before.

A solar model prediction is fundamentally different than "speculation."

It's more like predicting what happens when a car goes up a hill.  It slows down, or you give it more gas.  You might speculate a bit about how much it slows down or how much more gas to give it...
legendary
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In 1677, the people living in Europe had no problem in dealing with the cold wave. And in my opinion, with the advancement of technology, the predicted mini-ice age in 2020-22 will hardly have any effect on the humans. That said, some of the bigger Arctic cities might be adversely effected (such as Murmansk, Norilsk and Vorkuta in Russia and Tromsø in Norway). Millions of people might be evacuated to warmer cities.
And what about worldwide crop production?

I guess that's not a problem because if food production goes down, the free market adjusts with higher prices...

Wait....
legendary
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Thanks To Reduced Solar Activity, We Could Be Heading For A Mini Ice Age In 2030

Life on Earth has always been dependent on the conditions of the Sun, so scientists spend a lot of time studying its activity. A recent announcement from solar scientists suggests that the Sun may soon enter a period of significant reduced activity, possibly causing a mini ice age by 2030 – just 15 years from now.

These predictions were announced at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno, Wales, so it hasn't been possible to evaluate the research yet. However, Professor Valentina Zharkova from the University of Northumbria who made this announcement claims that the findings come from a computer model of sunspots that has made "unprecedentedly accurate predictions," as reported in The Guardian.

The model has shown to have a 97% accuracy when mapping the past movements of sunspots, using data of solar cycles from 1976 to 2008. And if this reliability continues, then the model also has some alarming predictions for the future: a mini ice age sometime around the 2030s.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/we-could-be-heading-mini-ice-age-2030
legendary
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In 1677, the people living in Europe had no problem in dealing with the cold wave. And in my opinion, with the advancement of technology, the predicted mini-ice age in 2020-22 will hardly have any effect on the humans. That said, some of the bigger Arctic cities might be adversely effected (such as Murmansk, Norilsk and Vorkuta in Russia and Tromsø in Norway). Millions of people might be evacuated to warmer cities.
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I've read about this from other sources. This is not related to the Earth as it isn't doing anything unusual, but rather the sun. However, I do agree with you that there are a lot of people who are mostly just wasting resources and have minimum to zero contribution to the greater good.
I don't see why we should really put much thought into this. It is just a prediction, and as such they can often be wrong (check the speculation section of this very forum). There is a lot of time before this even happens, so we can just wait it out. We shouldn't worry too much either, as there is really nothing that we can do about it (in case that it does happen).

Yeah but I think atleast we must begin to cautious about this issue, and learn to how face it when the time has come. The "ice age" should not be a problem then if we have known what we will do before.
legendary
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Global warming? Yeah, right.

I'll just drop the following film in here:

The Great Global Warming Swindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg

Very enlightening, both with solid scientific data, and historic background of where this "global warming"  movement started and how it got nurtured politically. And yes, the Sun is the major driving force for climate on Earth, through so many - often not very obvious - ways.
legendary
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I guess earth begin to take over its body, and wont let the human to destroy it anymore. Then earth need to reduce human population and make it more spacious. If scientists can predict the problem, then they should can solve it too, like create a tool that prepare us to face that ice age.
I've read about this from other sources. This is not related to the Earth as it isn't doing anything unusual, but rather the sun. However, I do agree with you that there are a lot of people who are mostly just wasting resources and have minimum to zero contribution to the greater good.
I don't see why we should really put much thought into this. It is just a prediction, and as such they can often be wrong (check the speculation section of this very forum). There is a lot of time before this even happens, so we can just wait it out. We shouldn't worry too much either, as there is really nothing that we can do about it (in case that it does happen).

legendary
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I guess earth begin to take over its body, and wont let the human to destroy it anymore. Then earth need to reduce human population and make it more spacious. If scientists can predict the problem, then they should can solve it too, like create a tool that prepare us to face that ice age.
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Jesus needs a break too
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If a mini ice age were to occur it would be just as bad as global warming.
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According to daily mail, they mentioned those image are almost clear sun, I say it is ruthlessly rubbish, no one cannot able to capture the SUN which is millions times hotter than lava temperature and about 13 billion times brighter than the next brightest star, Sirius, with their sophisticated digital innovative satellite cameras, having said that their presumptions also faux and highly misleading.
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If the warming alarmists actually followed the science instead of the media and government agencies, they would find the real mess climate science is in presently. Instead they only look at the political consensus as valid.
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Actually from the responses, leftists emotionally and (in some cases) financially invested in a "We're all gonna die!" doom and gloom scenario of Global Warming OR Global Cooling seem not to be particularly happy campers anymore because increasingly the science is saying to the world in general, "Um, no we are not."

I'm just glad you guys are listening to scientists again! Very nice change, luckily the scientists are no longer going to tell lies to push a made up agenda.
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Ahhhh!! So the scientists are no longer influenced and just telling the truth. Makes sense. I'm glad the conspiracy has been solved and now scientists can tell the truth again!

Actually from the responses, leftists emotionally and (in some cases) financially invested in a "We're all gonna die!" doom and gloom scenario of Global Warming OR Global Cooling seem not to be particularly happy campers anymore because increasingly the science is saying to the world in general, "Um, no we are not."
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When the leftist influence government began employing suborned scientists to FIND that Climate Change was a reality when the 'science' was still in its infancy then intelligent people who were themselves trained in various sciences . . . got suspicious; and rightly so as it has turned out.

First it was global cooling and then global warming and then cooling and then warming and then finally those government funded scientists hired to get specific results threw up their hands and called it Climate Change, which is a catch-all term that can never be wrong since climate is always changing; always has done so and always will. Psssst . . . leftists thought that nobody would notice that slight of hand game play?

Ahhhh!! So the scientists are no longer influenced and just telling the truth. Makes sense. I'm glad the conspiracy has been solved and now scientists can tell the truth again!
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But to their dismay, many of us see right through these envirowackos.

Even more to their dismay, however, is that increasingly mainstream scientists -- who are not employed by various governments to 'discover' Climate Change doom and gloom scenarios -- are rather innocently beginning to poke holes in their pseudo-science boondoggle. When it's the science that actually matters rather than an ideologically based political result . . . interesting things begin happening by way of genuine scientific results backed up by hard data of a sufficient nature to finally begin supporting some predictive structure . . . structure that is now beginning to poke holes in leftist pronouncements.
newbie
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Okay...let me get this straight.

Scientists predict a warmer Earth....they are idiots controlled by government manipulations and unknown financial interests.

Scientists predict a colder Earth...they are geniuses who know everything and deserve a parade.

Reality......the Climate of our planet has changed since the planet formed and will always do so. Scientists will try to figure it out for a very long time and come up with many predictions, some will end up accurate and others will not.
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When the leftist influence government began employing suborned scientists to FIND that Climate Change was a reality when the 'science' was still in its infancy then intelligent people who were themselves trained in various sciences . . . got suspicious; and rightly so as it has turned out.

First it was global cooling and then global warming and then cooling and then warming and then finally those government funded scientists hired to get specific results threw up their hands and called it Climate Change, which is a catch-all term that can never be wrong since climate is always changing; always has done so and always will. Psssst . . . leftists thought that nobody would notice that slight of hand game play?

But to their dismay, many of us see right through these envirowackos.
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