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WTF???
March 01, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
#7
BitBet bets have a weight associated with them - so far, so good.

... but that's better than losing on a winning bet.

Exactly! You should never lose money on a winning bet. bitbet.us should change their weighting algorithm imho.

It is impossible to know in advance what exactly will your weight result to as that also depends on the bets that come after yours. You can do the math on the current result yourself.

Of course you won't know how the weight plays out until it's over. But still... if they took the 1% off the top instead of a per user, the people placing late bets don't lose 1% on a win, they gain their .5% or whatever tiny bit they get.
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March 01, 2013, 05:23:57 PM
#6
BitBet bets have a weight associated with them - so far, so good.

... but that's better than losing on a winning bet.

Exactly! You should never lose money on a winning bet. bitbet.us should change their weighting algorithm imho.

It is impossible to know in advance what exactly will your weight result to as that also depends on the bets that come after yours. You can do the math on the current result yourself.
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March 01, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
#5
BitBet bets have a weight associated with them - so far, so good.

... but that's better than losing on a winning bet.

Exactly! You should never lose money on a winning bet. bitbet.us should change their weighting algorithm imho.
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March 01, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
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Not a bug but a feature as they say.

Specifically: BitBet bets have a weight associated with them, which weight starts at 100,000 and in most cases goes all the way down to 1. This weight reflects the lateness of the bet, as obviously a Bitcoin bet in January doesn't take the same level of risk as a Bitcoin bet in February does. This protects early bettors from having their stake diluted unwarrantedly by people who bet much later - when the likelihood of the event is presumably much easier to infer correctly.

BitBet also takes a 1% fee out of the total pool. Consequently for a bet to show an actual positive it has to gain more than 1%. Due to the even-ish odds and the very low weight the bets in discussion earned less than 1% which turns into a negative end result due to the fee. As a good rule of thumb, if the odds are 1:1 a bet on weight under 1,000 should be avoided as it's unlikely to gain anything. If the odds are 1:2 then that limit becomes 500, and if the odds are 1:100 that limit would be 10.

Not all bets have weights associated, but in most cases those bets which cover a time interval rather than a specific point in time do.

Very nicely explained.

And as I mentioned, if they simply took the 1% off the top then split it based on weights, any winning better, would still at least be partially positive even late. They wouldn't win much, but that's better than losing on a winning bet.
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March 01, 2013, 01:40:26 PM
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I just noticed that people lost money - even when betting on the right side!
http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/

Have a look:




E.g. this guy placed 50 BTC on "No" (which was the correct outcome of the bet):

21-02-13 15:50    No    710    50.00000000    146mo    49.93600046    1FRBb

But instead of receiving something like 100 BTC (50+50) he did not even make his wager back!

Is bitbet.us buggy?

Not a bug but a feature as they say.

Specifically: BitBet bets have a weight associated with them, which weight starts at 100,000 and in most cases goes all the way down to 1. This weight reflects the lateness of the bet, as obviously a Bitcoin bet in January doesn't take the same level of risk as a Bitcoin bet in February does. This protects early bettors from having their stake diluted unwarrantedly by people who bet much later - when the likelihood of the event is presumably much easier to infer correctly.

BitBet also takes a 1% fee out of the total pool. Consequently for a bet to show an actual positive it has to gain more than 1%. Due to the even-ish odds and the very low weight the bets in discussion earned less than 1% which turns into a negative end result due to the fee. As a good rule of thumb, if the odds are 1:1 a bet on weight under 1,000 should be avoided as it's unlikely to gain anything. If the odds are 1:2 then that limit becomes 500, and if the odds are 1:100 that limit would be 10.

Not all bets have weights associated, but in most cases those bets which cover a time interval rather than a specific point in time do.
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March 01, 2013, 12:18:03 PM
#2
I just noticed that people lost money - even when betting on the right side!
http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/

Have a look:




E.g. this guy placed 50 BTC on "No" (which was the correct outcome of the bet):

21-02-13 15:50    No    710    50.00000000    146mo    49.93600046    1FRBb

But instead of receiving something like 100 BTC (50+50) he did not even make his wager back!

Is bitbet.us buggy?


LOL wow. Someone bet 50 BTC, said no, they won, and they lost .064 btc haha. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Here are the totals that I get. 1689.814974 in. 1672.916824 out. Bitbet keeps 1%.

Bitbet uses a weight system. But you would think they would take the 1% fee out BEFORE they split the funds. Because otherwise the 50 BTC won just under 1%, but the fee made him lose.
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March 01, 2013, 07:59:01 AM
#1
I just noticed that people lost money - even when betting on the right side!
http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/

Have a look:




E.g. this guy placed 50 BTC on "No" (which was the correct outcome of the bet):

21-02-13 15:50    No    710    50.00000000    146mo    49.93600046    1FRBb

But instead of receiving something like 100 BTC (50+50) he did not even make his wager back!

Is bitbet.us buggy?
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