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Topic: Is Bitcoin the future of the global economy or just another commodity like Gold? (Read 432 times)

legendary
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It is hard to say whether debt is less risky
Well, it is a mainstream consensus, see topics about the cost of debt vs cost of equity.

When the borrower defaults, his debt usually gets written off as that seems to be the whole idea behind a default. Indeed, you can come after the borrower's property or whatever, but typically a default means exactly the opposite, i.e. you can't do anything anymore in legal terms (read, you have to bite the bullet and kiss goodbye to your shekels).
I don't know about your local law, mate. AFAIK, the lender still can seize the collateral in the event of default

I guess it is not so much about differences between local law systems as about our understanding, or misunderstanding, of the term "default" and its legal definition in a specific jurisdiction. Let me just say I generally agree that if a borrower fails to pay on a debt what they were due to pay, the lender can seize the collateral provided there is a collateral

In other words, you can take only so much

Even if there is no collateral, a bankrupt company usually still has some fixed assets that can be sold; therefore, debt holders are entitled to it

A thoroughly bankrupted company typically doesn't have much to offer its lenders
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It is hard to say whether debt is less risky
Well, it is a mainstream consensus, see topics about the cost of debt vs cost of equity.

When the borrower defaults, his debt usually gets written off as that seems to be the whole idea behind a default. Indeed, you can come after the borrower's property or whatever, but typically a default means exactly the opposite, i.e. you can't do anything anymore in legal terms (read, you have to bite the bullet and kiss goodbye to your shekels).
I don't know about your local law, mate. AFAIK, the lender still can seize the collateral in the event of default.
Even if there is no collateral, a bankrupt company usually still has some fixed assets that can be sold; therefore, debt holders are entitled to it.
legendary
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FYI for those of you who hate interest rate, I'll give some background why it exists.
There are basically two options if you want to raise money:
*1 Debt
*2 Equity

These two are different in nature, with debt you lend the money with the hope of getting the same value of money (at the due date). With equity, you invest the money and buy the portion of the share, basically a profit-sharing scheme. Hence, debt is less risky because if the borrower defaults, the lender can still demand his money back. However, equity is more rewarding if you invest in a unicorn

It is hard to say whether debt is less risky

When the borrower defaults, his debt usually gets written off as that seems to be the whole idea behind a default. Indeed, you can come after the borrower's property or whatever, but typically a default means exactly the opposite, i.e. you can't do anything anymore in legal terms (read, you have to bite the bullet and kiss goodbye to your shekels). Equity is as bad in this regard but as you say yourself, it can be far more rewarding if you invest the shekels wisely
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FYI for those of you who hate interest rate, I'll give some background why it exists.
There are basically two options if you want to raise money:
*1 Debt
*2 Equity

These two are different in nature, with debt you lend the money with the hope of getting the same value of money (at the due date). With equity, you invest the money and buy the portion of the share, basically a profit-sharing scheme. Hence, debt is less risky because if the borrower defaults, the lender can still demand his money back. However, equity is more rewarding if you invest in a unicorn.

Imagine you have idle $10,000 and an entrepreneur wants to use your idle money. He can choose to use debt or equity mechanisms. He free to chose the one he like.
* He may prefer $10,000 debt than to give his equity to you since he is a hard-working and born winner person.
* Or he may prefer $10,000 equity since he thinks "shit if this startup fails I don't have to give him anything."

You also free to choose which options you like. Then the negotiation begins.
Anyway, even with debt, there are various risks you can't get your money back, therefore you need incentive to lend your money. Yes, it is the interest rate.
Without the incentive, no way you want to lend your money (except you are a Dalai Lama).

So what it has to do with Bitcoin?
Well, even with Bitcoin, these two scenarios will still exist.
legendary
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Imagine having worth $100 now then you wake up with $10 left due to volatility

The other option is as bad

That is, you wake up one morning and Bitcoin has risen x10 overnight. It looks like you have become wealthier but there is no free lunch (for all), and thus someone has to pay for such an increase. In this case it will be producers whose profits, or more specifically, profit margins, will turn negative. At first, you will be able to buy more with as many coins but then the production will plunge and you won't be able to buy anything cause you'll get fired
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So my question is, is it really the future of the economy? or just the "new gold"?

Let's cut all the fancy crap and relentless hype here

Bitcoin is a very bad form of money if we talk about money as a currency, i.e. something supposed to be circulating. So it simply cannot be "the future of the economy" just like gold can't unless we get thrown back in our development into the 12th century, end of story. With that said, it doesn't mean that it can't be a good store of value. However, this is not its inherent advantage but rather the ultimate failure of fiat currencies being massively mismanaged (read, printed out of thin air like there's no tomorrow by any government out there)
I could not agree more on this one, bitcoin as a currency would just ruin the financial status of the world if there is no right thinking of government that would adopt it. Imagine having worth $100 now then you wake up with $10 left due to volatility. Even if bitcoin gets all mined, there is no chance that the world would stand on it, what we need is a centralized one fiat currency should be replaced by something digital but it would not be bitcoin. Don't hype the use of bitcoin.
legendary
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So my question is, is it really the future of the economy? or just the "new gold"?

Let's cut all the fancy crap and relentless hype here

Bitcoin is a very bad form of money if we talk about money as a currency, i.e. something supposed to be circulating. So it simply cannot be "the future of the economy" just like gold can't unless we get thrown back in our development into the 12th century, end of story. With that said, it doesn't mean that it can't be a good store of value. However, this is not its inherent advantage but rather the ultimate failure of fiat currencies being massively mismanaged (read, printed out of thin air like there's no tomorrow by any government out there)
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i think if people are well known about bitcoin , they will prefer on it , and if more and more people are prefer on it , i guess it can replace the global economy and how it works
hero member
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We can’t say for sure, Bitcoin is too vulnerable to volatility, and this is a big minus for all investors who are not ready to monitor prices 24/7. They would rather choose gold, or stocks on the stock exchange, or even real estate, but certainly not crypto.
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Bitcoin is a new invention of Digital economy. I Think it already changes average thinking of economic system. Bitcoin will rule future world Economy there has no Doubt. It spreading Speedy. It is not just commodity it also big thinking of global economy. Usability of Bitcoin increasing day by day. Bitcoin will be the future of Global Economy Becaus,
- Bitcoin is Available worldwoid.
- Trajection cost is very low.
- Trajection is very first from another commodities.
- It is Acceptable every where .
So i think Bitcoin The Future of the would economy.                           
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those who Invest in this crypto are millionaires tomorrow..
No one can guarantee that which is why I would think before writing such statements. A few lucky ones will go on to become millionaires while the rest will probably lose money or break even over the long term. That is how it is basically.

Banking is good but Bank is evil.
Its all a matter of perspective at the end of the day. Most people will continue viewing banks as safe havens while the minority will view them as greedy conglomerates and nothing else.

Their perspectives may change depending on how crypto evolves over time.
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I agree. It is indeed the future of money and probably everyone should adop with. The good thing with this is that it is decentralized where in everyone has equal rights and transparent to transactions.
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Blockchain or Bitcoin's mission is "Decentralized", where everyone is equal and has equal rights, can check each other anytime, anywhere and everything is "transparent". But the reality is completely the opposite. Looking at our Crypto Market, besides Bitcoin - being derelict and decentralized, what about the other currencies - they are all created by an individual or an organization and are athletic awkward it? This goes against the mission of Blockchain.
Moreover, blockchain is about equality - the world does not work in such a way. "The 90-10 rule" is mean 10% of the world's people hold 90% of the wealth of all humanity. The power of tycoons is created by the power of money. If Bitcoin were to be used as the real currency, the power of government would be no more because money is the power of power. Therefore, what we are aiming for, "Crypto is becoming a currency" is probably a long way from becoming a reality.
legendary
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Banks are always there serving to events that are precursor to economic crashes. We have seen it throughout history since the idea of banks were materialized, and there's no denying that banks and the government working together to print money that the economy can churn has always turned out to be bad. Not that I'm saying that banks are always pure evil, but there has to be some sort of reboot or change in the banking system in order for economic crashes to be prevented--or at least cause little damage--in the future.

Cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin serves as a bank for those who doesn't have the means to open their own bank accounts and pay for the initial deposit. It also serves as a hedge against inflation and economic crisis, similar to what is happening currently. It may not be as smooth as what the banking industry does, but it sure helps people get the most out of their hard-earned money--only if they really know the advantages of keeping some of their assets in bitcoin and stash it for the long run.

Banking is good but Bank is evil. We as individuals can contribute to changing the imbalance in world economic conditions by stopping the movement of saving money in banks. This movement will encourage banks to transform from margin oriented to service-oriented.

The practice of bank interest is prohibited in the economy in the real sector to avoid the accumulation of assets in a group of people, which allows the exploitation of the economy, both exploitation between actors, and exploitation of the system to economic actors. The absence of the practice of bank interest prevents disruption in the real economy such as inflation and declining macroeconomic productivity and encourages the creation of fair, stable, and sustainable economic activities through productive profit sharing systems.

In the contemporary economy, the existence of bank interest changes the function of money as greasing the transaction into a commodity loaded with the practice of speculation and debt on the monetary market. The inhibition of the synergy of the real and monetary sectors causes an imbalance in the economic structure, due to the ease of obtaining profits from the practice of fixed and predetermined returns, the monetary sector absorbs most of the money in circulation, which results in a decline in the performance of the real sector and the economy. The interest system causes inequality of business interaction, exploitation, and mislocation of resources and false economic development.

Current facts, the application of bank interest causes trading on the money market and capital per day amounting to a quarter of transactions in the real sector for a year, often a financial crisis, there is a large voting power for developed countries in world financial institutions such as WTO, world bank, IDB and IMF. Also, the amount of debt for developing countries is even greater.
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Well BTC can be considered as a most powerful asset but it is not a commodity, there is no doubt digital money like crypto is going to be the future.

People need a change on their savings and they are opting for crypto currency instead of banks, share markets etc I am pretty confident that crypto is going to boom the entire globe, those who Invest in this crypto are millionaires tomorrow..
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Bitcoin can never be a commodity, commodities by definition have some sort of industrial utility, and Bitcoin was created to be digital money. So, you are comparing very different things when you ask about Bitcoin being a future of global economy, because it has nothing to do with definition of Bitcoin.

As for the first part of your question, it's very unlikely that Bitcoin will become "the future of the global economy", the adoption rate is extremely slow, and governments can easily reduce adoption if they will feel threatened by Bitcoin. But this doesn't mean that Bitcoin is losing or that it is useless, millions of people find it useful.

Bitcoin is somehow can be a commodity because it is a raw material that can be mined though or in a digital form. Don't be so literal when it comes to treating raw material as physical thing, sometimes there are things that can be treated as a raw material digitally. Bitcoin can be a future of global economy once it achieve a mass adoption that we are all rooting for.

 It is not that hard to attain that position because there are governments that still don't want to use bitcoin in their community. If they don't feel any comfort and confident in using cryptocurrency in their economy then, they will not use it to prevent downward movement in their economy. I just don't get it why people are judging bitcoin without even trying it.
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It depends on how the world goes about it tbh and isn't really a question answerable right now. Right now it just stands as something similar to gold in a sense of it being a commodity. Gold never became something like fiat cause of it being a hard asset, one of which is very difficult to diffuse to smaller entities, and fiat being a reproduced item has that ability. BTC may be limited in supply but it can be infinitely divided into smaller units which is satoshi after all, making it have the ability to be spread in the world for a long time. It still depends on how banks and governments are able to attack the issue of cryptocurrencies though. On another hand, once digital currencies are pretty much finalized and adapted to the world, fiat should probably be gone or be rarely used as much as compared to now I think.
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There is no the only one correct answer. Because I'd say that Bitcoin is a commodity, or store of value because of its high volatility which makes it not a perfect medium of exchange. But Venezuela's currency crisis demonstrated that Bitcoin was an innovative solution.
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I think it's a nice comodity
legendary
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I see it as something in between and one or another, there is a middle ground. For example if you look at money right now, like dollar or euro so forth it is still a bit of "investment" for other nations, if you live in a country that uses its own fiat and is not using dollar or euro, and if you are not a nation that is doing well, "buying dollar" could be considered a way of investment as well, because your fiat will become less valuable against dollar. That is what I see bitcoin like, sure this analogy doesn't work for people in USA or Europe but it works for other people.

You are basically "investing into money" and that is rare thing and not really a proper investment idea normally but it could still be done, so if you live in let's say in Colombia, you can invest and buy dollars but also do the same for bitcoin as well.
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