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legendary
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November 14, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
i said this before and i will say it once again, rly the only treatment for this is to code in the leimary a FIFO type scenario for tx's.. this WHOLE charge factor is really a failing.. it'll never act as Inchmeant" as somebody will invariably set their fee greater and better and better.rap

this and only this..

if they want to they could implement a 50/50 fifo/fee system.. this way you can pay the min fee of .0001 or whatever they put in and wait for a guaranteed amount of time, or you can pay more for a faster confirmation.

the way it is now, there is no guarantee your fee will be enough.. even if it's enough right now, in a few hours it might not be. this is the part that isnt fair.. its that when you send bitcoin you have to GUESS to how much the fee should be... if for whatever reason someone else decides it should be higher, then your fee wont be enough.

also right now as it is.. to get in a the next few blocks you need to send a fee of .007 / Kb.. which is around 50$. this is insane and makes bitcoin useless..



sr. member
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November 14, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
In current network circumstances the fees aren't fair, that's for sure, but there is no other thing to do than dealing with the situation.
not just bitcoins that can be so, we better look around us a lot of people who are not fair in transactions.tip state certainly there is. so do not be surprised if such a thing can happen.
sr. member
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November 14, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
I guess we all have our point of view with the fees being charged to us. The way I see it since the price of bitcoin is so high and there are a lot of users added day by day, it is reasonable that the fees went up but to think about it, the fees are doubled and it is really too much right now. I have read that there is something happening right now, we just have to wait for it to go down a bit.
member
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November 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
Every bitcoin transaction is fair and transparent.
Policies and regulations, privacy are strictly respected,so we can rest assured to use
member
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November 14, 2017, 08:47:24 AM
remember that are not the miners that make the fee, they could accept even the lowest fee if everyone was using the lowest one and reducing the average, it's up to the peple that decide what fee to use

if for example everyone start now to lower his fee the average would be like the old 10k satoshi per transaction, but instead everyone is rushing to have his/her transaction prioritized and this is increasing the average, miners have no fault here

We all talk about high fee, but i dont know who make low or high transaction fee?  I think the fee is made by every platform.
But maybe i am wrong.
sr. member
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November 14, 2017, 08:26:06 AM
Bitcoin transaction fees fair?absolutely not.That not fair for traders who trade in small BTC amounts.With the high transaction fees of BTC there is no profit for them.Sometimes getting no profits after all.Its too high fees..

The average transaction cost is 50k satoshi or about $ 4, this is our problem, a year ago we can receive and send bitcoin for free, it should be bitcoin transaction costs can be as small as possible, I'm afraid someday the transaction cost is the same as the cost of the bank.
newbie
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November 14, 2017, 07:48:56 AM
Bitcoin transaction fees fair?absolutely not.That not fair for traders who trade in small BTC amounts.With the high transaction fees of BTC there is no profit for them.Sometimes getting no profits after all.Its too high fees..
newbie
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November 14, 2017, 07:48:34 AM
  Bitcoin as form of paying for services and other has a speed of growth.
I think merchants around the globe have an incentive  to accept the digital currency for it transaction fee are very lower than 1-3% charges.


Yes,true bitcoin payment service growth speedily.. Transaction fees is low than some other currency
hero member
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November 14, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
I think the companies responsible for the fees are taking an advange on us, for example, the wallet i use on my country in order to convert bitcoins into fiat. We have no choice but to pay the corresponding charges because we need the money. I think it is ok but maybe on an equall price.
I really don't believe that they fees for the transactions are set by any company, it's how the system was built to work, now we that most of the miners are moving to BCH it has lead to a lot of transactions not being confirmed there the system has doubled the reward for miners so that they could confirm them that's why the fees are seto high now.  You can still adjust so that you don't pay a lot.
The transaction fees will create by the user of Bitcoin.
You don't know when the Bitcoin network has problem about unconfirm transaction, the Bitcoin user need to increase the fees rates for their transaction if they do not want to wait a lot of time for confirm their transaction.
Therefore, all Bitcoin user do that made the transaction fees of Bitcoin network also increases.
full member
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November 13, 2017, 09:23:45 AM
In current network circumstances the fees aren't fair, that's for sure, but there is no other thing to do than dealing with the situation.
newbie
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November 13, 2017, 09:09:39 AM
The fees go to the miners to incentivise them to keep mining, which in turn keeps the Bitcoin network secure. They already get a reward of 12.5 XBT for each block they mine, but this reward halves every 4 years. The plan is that as the block reward diminishes over the time, it will be replaced by transaction fees.
legendary
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November 13, 2017, 09:05:29 AM
No i do not think that it is fair because we pay a lot but on the other hand if you cash out a lot at the same time it seems like nothing is lost so i would suggest to just pay the fee because we do not have any other option then just to pay the fee.

Unconfirmed Transactions    
105,169 (108,619.84 Kb)

Optimal Fee / Kb    
0.00757616 BTC


thats almost 50$ a KB... :/
sr. member
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November 13, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
I think the companies responsible for the fees are taking an advange on us, for example, the wallet i use on my country in order to convert bitcoins into fiat. We have no choice but to pay the corresponding charges because we need the money. I think it is ok but maybe on an equall price.
I really don't believe that they fees for the transactions are set by any company, it's how the system was built to work, now we that most of the miners are moving to BCH it has lead to a lot of transactions not being confirmed there the system has doubled the reward for miners so that they could confirm them that's why the fees are seto high now.  You can still adjust so that you don't pay a lot.
sr. member
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November 13, 2017, 07:42:49 AM
I think the companies responsible for the fees are taking an advange on us, for example, the wallet i use on my country in order to convert bitcoins into fiat. We have no choice but to pay the corresponding charges because we need the money. I think it is ok but maybe on an equall price.
member
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November 13, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
Fees about sending bitcoin will be fair if it's depend how much you have bitcoin. For example can take by precentage or range fees of own bitcoin
copper member
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November 13, 2017, 07:30:32 AM
Everyone wanted higher bitcoin price and we achieved this but another problem become transaction fees. When bitcoin's price was low, we had to pay also low fee and now when it rised, we have to pay high fee in bitcoins and plus that high fee is more higher with current price. Is this fair? The higher the price, the more money miners have with bitcoin exchange.
To my mind when price becomes high, we have to pay low fee and when it becomes low, than fee has to be high. To my mind it had to be done like this from the begining.

I also remember that I could send any transaction with normal fee and receive confirmations in a few hours.
Recently, I had to wait more than 24 hours for confirmation and because of this experience, now I send each transaction with higher fee.
Yes, I don't like it, but still is cheaper to send funds with bitcoin than with paypal or WU, for example.
It's obvious that this situation must be resolved somehow because bitcoin may become less attractive to the new people.
I don't think that transaction fee is connected with btc price.
Is this fair?

It's not fair, but it's necessary.
In the beginning, when Bitcoin price was low, people transferred bigger amounts of Bitcoin and (since the network was also not busy) the fees were low / kb and very small compared to the money transferred.
Now Bitcoin is big, making many people transfer really small amounts of Bitcoin. Even if the fee would be the same per kb, now we have more (smaller) inputs and we send out smaller amount of Bitcoin for the same number of USD. This means indeed the fees rising "too much" for our liking.
But as I stated, this is necessary. The miners have to be fed. If that will not happen the network will suffer, we will suffer, the price will suffer. Not good.

One of the bigger problems is that people transfer a lot of unnecessary small amounts. Of course, they have their reasons - want to earn here and there a few extra $, want to buy something "small" things, don't trust some services or just don't realize that small amounts will fight against them in some not too far future.

My laptop was 0.6-0.7BTC when I bought it, would you have believed this when BTC was dropping around 200-250$? or when BTC was 2$?. But the fees were 3$ (ouch).


Bottom line: If you want to dream of $2k, $10k or (!) $500k Bitcoin, you have to admit that this comes with fees that may become almost unbearable. But without that you may be left off without miners and with 100$ or 10$ Bitcoin. You don't want that.
Relax, that transaction fees that you were paying for last few days ago won't last forever.
That happened as a result of one of biggest bitcoin mining companies "Bitmain" decided to switch mining bitcoin cash.
So many people paid above $10 for their bitcoins to be confirmed but there were way too many transactions on bitcoin network that time.
But things are now starting to get better as the network started processing transaction more faster than few days ago and everything will be alright soon.
member
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November 13, 2017, 07:00:25 AM
Once the transactions fee will be too high most of people will use lower fees. Maybe it just needs some time to stabilize. We must not forget that Bitcoin is still just a big experiment.
member
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November 13, 2017, 06:55:05 AM
Pay alot, wait 3 days afterwards, seems awesome! lol

They finally confirmed my transaction from friday. For which I only paid 4 dollars, how silly of me to pay so low to the awesome bitcoin miners Sad Now they are asking again for 4.27$ normal transfer (290 sat/byte, will get conf in 3 more days i  beet hahah) and 12.74$ / 865 sat/byte for priority.

No thanks
full member
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November 13, 2017, 04:41:47 AM
Everyone wanted higher bitcoin price and we achieved this but another problem become transaction fees. When bitcoin's price was low, we had to pay also low fee and now when it rised, we have to pay high fee in bitcoins and plus that high fee is more higher with current price. Is this fair? The higher the price, the more money miners have with bitcoin exchange.
To my mind when price becomes high, we have to pay low fee and when it becomes low, than fee has to be high. To my mind it had to be done like this from the begining.

Not fair at all but we have no choice. They offer a secure and surefire transaction for ever bitcoin holders out there to make a safe transfer or deal. It's the least we can do to a trading site, that is, to make sure they keep it secure and keep it safe from harm's way.

We have no choice mate. It is so high now I am really crying i cannot spend my bitcoins because the fees are high. My close friend is also upset about this when bitcoin was new the fees were low.

I whish the fees were low as when the bitcoin was new.
newbie
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November 13, 2017, 04:41:19 AM
No i do not think that it is fair because we pay a lot but on the other hand if you cash out a lot at the same time it seems like nothing is lost so i would suggest to just pay the fee because we do not have any other option then just to pay the fee.
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