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Topic: Is Bitcoin's 4 year cycle only coincidence? (This could be actually good news.) - page 2. (Read 340 times)

legendary
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I would tell you that this Bitcoin 4 years cycle is because of the Halving event where the supply cuts in half and the demand keeps on increasing
So after the halving in a few days, there will be only 10.5 million Bitcoins left? Wink (This would be the case if I took the highlighted part literally.)

I agree that the halving-driven cycles assumption is the most popular theory. And I also don't want to ruin the halving party. Smiley

But is this theory correct? Think about how many Bitcoins are actually sold by miners every day, and how many Bitcoins are sold by traders, short- or mid-term-hodlers taking profit or cutting losses, or panicking, ETF managing companies selling outflows (GBTC for example), and so on. The second group makes up actually about 99.8%+ and miners only 0,1 to 0,2%.[1] After the halving in 2024, miners' share in sold coins will go down to 0,05 to 0,1%.

Also think about the bull-bear cycles in general: There's often a large part of the bull market actually before the halving. The current bull market started in November 2022, at $15.000. Far away from any halving. Smiley

So I think the halving theory at least can be challenged, which is what I'm doing with this post. I actually think halvings have a small incidence, but it's less with every cycle. The 2012 halving indeed had quite a big incidence though in my opinion, because it ended basically the "free" bitcoin mining with the home PC.

What has incidence indeed is that miners's supply in comparison to the already mined coins is reducing. But that can only be a reason (together with what we call "adoption") for the long term price trend, it can't really explain the bull/bear cycle.


[1] To do the math: In the last 24 hours about 700000 coins were sold on exchanges. Miners sell 900 coins per 24 hours. That's 0.128%.
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This is interesting analysis! The 4-year cycle theory for Bitcoin's price is definitely a popular one, but I think it's smart to look at other perspectives too.  Just because something held true in the past doesn't mean it'll keep being accurate all the time. I agree that the early days of Bitcoin were pretty rampant and hard to predict, so maybe that activity doesn't perfectly line up with the 4-year cycle timeline we see now.  Plus there's all kinds of stuff like pandemics, hacks, politics that can crash prices even if the cycle theory is real and  could be both things play a role.  The cycles drive overall trends but big external events trigger unpredictable swings.  No one really knows for sure I guess.  We'll just have to wait and see if the cycles hold up over decades or if random chaos and headlines win out in the end.



Well, we need to realize that Bitcoin 4-year cycle of bear and bull markets is not driven by the news events. We try to link that because of certain events and fundamental good and bad news, the market experiences this phase and therefore we are not sure it if will be repeated again or not.

I would tell you that this Bitcoin 4 years cycle is because of the Halving event where the supply cuts in half and the demand keeps on increasing and this results in a parabolic bull market. This happened in the past and it will happen in the future too. So as long as there is halving, we will experience this 4 year's bitcoin cycle. It does not matter if there is pandemic in the world or lots of Geopolitical tensions, the bitcoin halving is independent of these factors.
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This is interesting analysis! The 4-year cycle theory for Bitcoin's price is definitely a popular one, but I think it's smart to look at other perspectives too.  Just because something held true in the past doesn't mean it'll keep being accurate all the time. I agree that the early days of Bitcoin were pretty rampant and hard to predict, so maybe that activity doesn't perfectly line up with the 4-year cycle timeline we see now.  Plus there's all kinds of stuff like pandemics, hacks, politics that can crash prices even if the cycle theory is real and  could be both things play a role.  The cycles drive overall trends but big external events trigger unpredictable swings.  No one really knows for sure I guess.  We'll just have to wait and see if the cycles hold up over decades or if random chaos and headlines win out in the end.
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Many Bitcoiners seem to take it for a "given" that Bitcoin's price moves in 4-year cycles ending with an ATH:

  • First cycle: 2009-13 - with ATH ~$1100
  • Second cycle: 2013-17 - with ATH ~$19600
  • Third cycle: 2017-21 - with ATH ~$69000
  • Fourth cycle: 2021-25 - ATH: $???

There seems to be also a widespread acceptance that in the cycle there has to be a bear market with drastic price reduction (75%-93%).

But what if this all is only a coincidence? Let's analyze the arguments for this assumption. I already will say that I'm myself not sure which is the correct answer. So maybe we come closer in the discussion.



1) First argument in favour of the "coincidence hypothesis": There were actually only two complete 4 year cycles.

The argument is based mainly on the fact that 2009-2013 cannot be viewed as a single cycle, it was at least 2, perhaps 3 cycles. At least the high in 2011 ($32) followed by an extreme bear market with a very pronounced low ($2) should be viewed as a separate cycle.

I think there are even reasons to assume that in 2013 we had a separate cycle too: The April high ($260) could have been seen as an important top too, if we take into account that the price then lowered over 80% in a few months to a low of $50.

We could counter this argument saying that the market was immature back then and thus wild swings were normal. But I think we still can't say that 2009-13 was really a "cycle" like 2013-17 and 2017-21 were. There was, for example, no real crypto winter, perhaps late 2011/early 2012 but it was much shorter than in other occasions.

And the 2021-XXXX cycle has probably not ended still. We don't know if the high will be in 2024, 25 or even later ... it could even be a Supercycle.

2) Second argument: Above all the bear markets were driven, in several occasions, by external factors and news.

This is actually the strongest argument for the "coincidence" hypothesis, I think.

Let's analyze first the most obvious case: the coronavirus pandemic in 2020-22. I think it was obvious that this event caused the crash in March 2020, which looked like a clear anomaly in the chart. But let's look further. In 2019, the price had actually come very close to the 2017 high. If the Covid crash didn't happen, it is quite likely that in early to mid 2020 already a new ATH could have been recorded - perhaps before the halving event. Maybe the top of this cycle could also already happened much earlier, perhaps even still in 2020, or in early 2021.

So the second cycle could have already been in reality a 3 or 3.5 year cycle if Covid did not happen.

But there's more.

The deep 2015 crypto winter was very likely caused by the MtGox insolvency. We have to first realize what MtGox was in this era. MtGox was the only really relevant Bitcoin exchange. Yes, there was Bitstamp, BTC-E and some Chinese exchanges. But they had a very small market share. MtGox was completely dominant. And thus, I guess a large part of the then-Bitcoiners lost money in this insolvency.

We could thus assume that the 2014-2015 crypto winter could have been much less deep in "normal conditions" without such a catastrophic event. And that could, again, have caused an early recovery of the price, with perhaps an ATH already in late 2015 or 2016. Or even earlier. We don't know and never will.



Okay, so there are mainly two arguments for the "coincidence hyptothesis". But why could this actually be good news? You could think now that this might be even bad: we couldn't be sure that there's a predictable event like the halvings which is followed by a bull market ...

My theory: It could be good news because it means that it's not necessarily a "given" that Bitcoin has to crash as deep as it did in the past. So it's perhaps likely that future bear markets could be shorter and much less pronounced.

If people understood that many bear markets were caused by external influences, this would already perhaps reduce the amount of panic in downward phases. I've already mentioned MtGox. But there's more: The 2022 crash could have been much less deep if neither Terra/Luna nor the FTX insolvency happened. And there was also the Ukraine war which brought deep uncertainty into the markets.

Even if you don't agree, I think it's a fact that there is no "natural" force that drives Bitcoin prices down 70-80% or more in bear markets. In my opinion it's a combination of these "bad news" events, people panicking, and whales and speculators making profits shorting Bitcoin when they think a panic could occur. Like yesterday. There could be natural phases where the interest in Bitcoin dwindles, but that would probably not justify such deep crashes. BTC could behave more like other assets like big cap stocks, with occasional 20-30% crashes/bear markets but not much more.



What do you think? I'm still undecided, but I think the "coincidence hypothesis" is worthy to be discussed.
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