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legendary
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November 16, 2015, 04:21:34 AM
#18
Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant
There's no such thing as asic resistant.
Litecoin is ASIC resistant, you can only use GPUs, CPUs and similar hardware. You cannot use Application specific chips to mine Litecoin. You can look that up for yourself.

There's no such thing as asic resistant.

Bitcoin will become environmentally friendly soon, because mega-miners will start using solar panels to mine more efficiently. LOL

Are you a troll ?
full member
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November 16, 2015, 04:12:26 AM
#17
It should be more friendly to usual guys to mine bitcoins, like that was with cpus and gpus back in a days, is it possible to change this asic race ?
newbie
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November 15, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
#16
Maybe forking the wallet to stake transactions fees in the future will be healthier to earth from this damn mining, nothing is worth ruining the atmosphere even if it was peer to peer currency or the blockchain, that wont exist when we lose earth years later, it should have been POS since the beginning, salut to whoever created POS.

Bitcoin will become environmentally friendly soon, because mega-miners will start using solar panels to mine more efficiently. LOL
sr. member
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Merit: 250
November 15, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
#15
Maybe forking the wallet to stake transactions fees in the future will be healthier to earth from this damn mining, nothing is worth ruining the atmosphere even if it was peer to peer currency or the blockchain, that wont exist when we lose earth years later, it should have been POS since the beginning, salut to whoever created POS.
legendary
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November 15, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
#14

People need to remember Bitcoin was created to provide a way of moving electronic cash without needing to go through a trusted third party, for example a bank.  Mining is not the reason cryptocurrencies exist.

Mining is simply part of making cryptocurrencies possible.  Mining is mainly done in large mining farms using specialist hardware not available to the general public.  Just be thankful that there is still one miner manufacturer (Bitmain) selling an admittedly marginal miner to the general pubic.  


Without mining being profitable, bitcoin wouldn't have advanced to what is now in the first place. If it won't be profitable for the long term after the halving, more likely, it'll be the start of bitcoin's downfall.
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November 13, 2015, 08:22:11 PM
#13
I think it would be fair if everyone hashed on CPUs and GPUs instead of ASICs. Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant, or the network should have a cap on the maximum number of Bitcoins an induvidual miner can mine or something. What do you guys think?

There seems to be a naive view among some posters that mining should be profitable for someone mining in their spare room or on their PC.  This was never the intention of the bitcoin developers.

From Satoshi on
 Development & Technical Discussion > Post reply ( Re: Scalability and transaction rate )

The current system where every user is a network node is not the intended configuration for large scale.  That would be like every Usenet user runs their own NNTP server.  The design supports letting users just be users.  The more burden it is to run a node, the fewer nodes there will be.  Those few nodes will be big server farms.  The rest will be client nodes that only do transactions and don't generate.

People need to remember Bitcoin was created to provide a way of moving electronic cash without needing to go through a trusted third party, for example a bank.  Mining is not the reason cryptocurrencies exist.

Mining is simply part of making cryptocurrencies possible.  Mining is mainly done in large mining farms using specialist hardware not available to the general public.  Just be thankful that there is still one miner manufacturer (Bitmain) selling an admittedly marginal miner to the general pubic.  



legendary
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November 13, 2015, 06:35:18 PM
#12
Maybe sometime in the future, Bitcoin would become ASIC resistant thus rendering it minable by only a CPU or GPU. If Bitcoin would fix this issue (not to mention the block size debate) then it would be a much more decentralized and successful crypto. Even still, it is successful despite these facts and Bitcoin itself is just starting. A few more years and it will improve in both development and adoption. Just my opinion.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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SpacePirate.io
November 13, 2015, 06:28:38 PM
#11
As the mining difficulty increases, it becomes harder and harder for individuals to mine, making Bitcoin mining farms the only profitable way to mine. As the mining difficulty increases even more, only mega Bitcoin mining farms can be profitable. This design of the Bitcoin network makes centralization inevitable.

I think it would be fair if everyone hashed on CPUs and GPUs instead of ASICs. Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant, or the network should have a cap on the maximum number of Bitcoins an induvidual miner can mine or something. What do you guys think?

It would be nice if there was something to reward the little guy out there, sadly there isn't.  Technically, you can mine and still have the same opportunity to solve a block as a huge megafarm in china, but just with very low probability.  It's highly unlikely any of the core developers will introduce a BIP to change the reward system.  Right now there's no practical fairness in bitcoin mining today, just the fairness of math.
sr. member
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Infected Mushroom
November 13, 2015, 06:16:25 PM
#10
Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant
There's no such thing as asic resistant.

Litecoin is ASIC resistant, you can only use GPUs, CPUs and similar hardware. You cannot use Application specific chips to mine Litecoin. You can look that up for yourself.

There are scrypt asics for well over a year now. Please do some research. Smiley
newbie
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November 13, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
#9
Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant
There's no such thing as asic resistant.

Litecoin is ASIC resistant, you can only use GPUs, CPUs and similar hardware. You cannot use Application specific chips to mine Litecoin. You can look that up for yourself.
hero member
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Move On !!!!!!
November 13, 2015, 05:54:34 AM
#8
Some will argue that Bitcoin is already too decentralized with the mining pools. Others will argue that the users of these pools still have saying as they can switch pools in a matter of minutes if they want to.

I think that Bitcoin is going exactly towards what Satoshi has imagined. Even he has said that one day Bitcoin will be mined by the big data centers and this is slowly happening!
sr. member
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November 13, 2015, 04:11:18 AM
#7
Bitcoins are designed to become decentralised and this is the way it's going to stay. If there is a flaw in the system I'm sure the devs will fix it soon enough.
legendary
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November 13, 2015, 04:10:11 AM
#6
Once the rewards drop and the halving occurs who's to say that these huge minng operations will even stick around.  They could move onto another coin, unless the bitcoin price shoots up in price they will need to re-evaluate, so the small miner may have more chance of hittng a block.
legendary
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November 13, 2015, 03:33:58 AM
#5
don't forgot that every zone in the world have a max electrcity output, so they can't simply add more mienrs forever on the same place, not matter how free space they have

this will cut centralization, unless the same guy control more bitcoin farm around the world, but i don't believe there is a single entity so rich at the moment
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legendary
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November 13, 2015, 02:33:53 AM
#4
Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant
There's no such thing as asic resistant.
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November 12, 2015, 07:44:06 PM
#3
As the mining difficulty increases, it becomes harder and harder for individuals to mine, making Bitcoin mining farms the only profitable way to mine. As the mining difficulty increases even more, only mega Bitcoin mining farms can be profitable. This design of the Bitcoin network makes centralization inevitable.

I think it would be fair if everyone hashed on CPUs and GPUs instead of ASICs. Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant, or the network should have a cap on the maximum number of Bitcoins an induvidual miner can mine or something. What do you guys think?

Yes it is, however it can take years maybe even decades.. With 1 GH why not, but 1 MH.. you are really wasting energy at that point..
hero member
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November 12, 2015, 06:43:28 PM
#2
Mining difficulty increases make it harder for everyone big or small. Profit per TH is governed by the price you pay for the hardware, it's management & maintenance cost and the single most important factor Electricity price.

The only edge that a Farm has is their purchasing Power, earlier and sometimes exclusive access to the latest hardware and of course Electricity prices. An individual with low priced electricity will be able to mine profitably for as long as the largest farms.

Yes many individual miners have pulled out, many more will after the halving, but they will not make as big a crash as when some of the Farms go under. Individual Miners are a resilient and resourceful group and will play a part for a long time to come.

As to fairness I am afraid that this is all about money if Bitcoin was ASIC resistant something else would have been produced...

Rich

newbie
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November 12, 2015, 05:55:08 PM
#1
As the mining difficulty increases, it becomes harder and harder for individuals to mine, making Bitcoin mining farms the only profitable way to mine. As the mining difficulty increases even more, only mega Bitcoin mining farms can be profitable. This design of the Bitcoin network makes centralization inevitable.

I think it would be fair if everyone hashed on CPUs and GPUs instead of ASICs. Bitcoin should have been ASIC resistant, or the network should have a cap on the maximum number of Bitcoins an induvidual miner can mine or something. What do you guys think?
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