Is China silently conquering Africa?

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China Inc. moves factory floor to Africa

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-inc-moves-factory-floor-to-africa-2014-05-14-20485725

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Faced with rising labor costs at home and negative perceptions about their employment practices in Africa, Chinese companies are setting up new factories on the continent and hiring more Africans. The companies efforts will test whether the masters of low-cost manufacturing can be as productive in Africa as they are in China.

Something that the Europeans and the Americans have yet to learn. Angry

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'All that glitters is not gold'

Quote from: byt411 on May 09, 2014, 12:29:43 PM

Quote from: crocko on May 08, 2014, 05:49:56 PM

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

Wrong. Name a country where there isn't a Chinese person.

Are you seriously understand English ?
Your logic seems to have serious flaws. Cool

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Quote from: dogeunion on May 11, 2014, 10:38:05 AM

China help Africa in national development, and, China to these countries, silently, drugs, food aid highway, factories and so on, I believe that to Africa,China do better than USA.

What you are saying makes no sense at all... And aiding with food and highways doesn't require it being silent.

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China help Africa in national development, and, China to these countries, silently, drugs, food aid highway, factories and so on, I believe that to Africa,China do better than USA.

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Quote from: dwma on May 10, 2014, 07:21:03 PM

China gets what it wants by infinite bribing and a large state to back it up.

Well.. that is pretty much true with all the companies operating in the third world, be it from China or from the EU. Just look at the Angolan petroleum sector in the 1990s. How did the European oil companies managed to get all the contracts for themselves? From the start of this century onward, the Chinese were able to offer more bribes than the Europeans and they captured the sector.

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China gets what it wants by infinite bribing and a large state to back it up. Smaller capitalist companies find it very hard to compete with this. China has a benevolent dictatorship which acts unilaterally. The US is pretty much the complete opposite.

The quality of life in these 2 countries is going to start really evening out in the coming decades.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on May 09, 2014, 12:58:37 PM

China is silently conquering the UK - let alone Africa.

The Dalian Wanda Group are the county's largest holder of property - and the North Sea is being bought up as we speak by China.

Makes a change from the US I suppose Wink

Talking about the properties in the UK, the percentage of them owned by the Chinese is not that high. The proportion of properties owned by the Arabs and Russians might be more than that of the Chinese.

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China is silently conquering the UK - let alone Africa.

The Dalian Wanda Group are the county's largest holder of property - and the North Sea is being bought up as we speak by China.

Makes a change from the US I suppose Wink

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 09, 2014, 12:33:18 PM

Quote from: TrailingComet on May 09, 2014, 03:06:19 AM

To conquer the continent, they need to take charge of education and healthcare where India and some western powers have more influence presently

Do you think that the healthcare and education sector in Africa is dominated by the Indians? The Indian presence is limited to a few countries, such as Kenya and Ethiopia. The Chinese are replacing them everywhere else.

Exactly. Western countries don't do anything, at least the government doesn't. They are mostly charities, and they can't do that much, since they don't have as much fund as China does.

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Quote from: TrailingComet on May 09, 2014, 03:06:19 AM

To conquer the continent, they need to take charge of education and healthcare where India and some western powers have more influence presently

Do you think that the healthcare and education sector in Africa is dominated by the Indians? The Indian presence is limited to a few countries, such as Kenya and Ethiopia. The Chinese are replacing them everywhere else.

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Quote from: crocko on May 08, 2014, 05:49:56 PM

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

Wrong. Name a country where there isn't a Chinese person.

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Certainly the leading power in Africa today
But leverage concentrated in resources and energy sectors
To conquer the continent, they need to take charge of education and healthcare where India and some western powers have more influence presently

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Quote from: show_off on May 08, 2014, 10:32:30 PM

In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

Chinese investment is present in a lot of the third world countries, and actually the latter is competing with each other to get the Chinese to their nations. The Chinese - third world relationship is a mutually benefiting one, unlike the relations which the 3rd world have with the EU and the US.

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Quote from: crocko on May 08, 2014, 05:49:56 PM

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

I'm not so sure Portugal managed to by-pass the crisis at all, Chinese investment or not; I mean, extra investment certainly helps, but the country still looks to me to be pretty much "in the crisis".

Quote from: show_off on May 08, 2014, 10:32:30 PM

In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

Care to provide sources / more information?

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In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

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'All that glitters is not gold'

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 08, 2014, 12:10:55 PM

Quote from: byt411 on May 08, 2014, 11:56:30 AM

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

Well.. that is only partially true. I agree that the Southern African nations such as Angola are seeing massive Chinese investments. At the same time, equatorial African nations such as Uganda and Cameron are also witnessing Chinese activity on a large scale. (Check the map).

OK. My statement was wrong, China doesn't seem to be that interested in countries near the equator or deserts for food. Of course they are interested in resources, That's a really important thing, since China does not have that much oil and gas.

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Quote from: byt411 on May 08, 2014, 11:56:30 AM

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

Well.. that is only partially true. I agree that the Southern African nations such as Angola are seeing massive Chinese investments. At the same time, equatorial African nations such as Uganda and Cameron are also witnessing Chinese activity on a large scale. (Check the map).

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 07, 2014, 11:09:01 PM

Quote from: Icardi09 on May 07, 2014, 03:46:27 PM

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

No.. by area wise, the amount of farmland available in Africa is very less, when compared with that available in Russia, Ukraine, China, India or Canada. That is because a large part of Africa is covered with deserts and forests. And any extensive agricultural programs might need gigantic irrigation schemes, which is not possible currently as there is simply not enough water.

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

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Quote from: Icardi09 on May 07, 2014, 03:46:27 PM

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

No.. by area wise, the amount of farmland available in Africa is very less, when compared with that available in Russia, Ukraine, China, India or Canada. That is because a large part of Africa is covered with deserts and forests. And any extensive agricultural programs might need gigantic irrigation schemes, which is not possible currently as there is simply not enough water.

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