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legendary
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October 09, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
#77
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Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

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So there won't be any violence in an anarchist society ?

Will there be violence? Probably.
Is there supposed to be violence? No.

And yet again, I fail to see how this relates to anarchy - it's an issue with practically any system in existence.

Its an issue if you propose a system that allows people to form private armies and they decide to take you as a slave.  If you have allowed them to form an army and there is no state, all you are left with by way of defence is saying "Is there supposed to be violence? No."

That's a very poor alternative to democracy.
I think you missed this part:
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Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.
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EDIT: Also, what is there in the current system to prevent people from forming private armies? Oh, wait....

The present system prevents military grade weapons getting into private hands.  Try buying a combat aircraft or a tank or SAM tomorrow.

Do you want to replace that with anarchy and then count on the bad guys not initiating force. 

sr. member
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October 09, 2011, 03:59:45 PM
#76
...snip...
Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

...snip...

So there won't be any violence in an anarchist society ?

Will there be violence? Probably.
Is there supposed to be violence? No.

And yet again, I fail to see how this relates to anarchy - it's an issue with practically any system in existence.

Its an issue if you propose a system that allows people to form private armies and they decide to take you as a slave.  If you have allowed them to form an army and there is no state, all you are left with by way of defence is saying "Is there supposed to be violence? No."

That's a very poor alternative to democracy.
I think you missed this part:
[...]
Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.
[...]

EDIT: Also, what is there in the current system to prevent people from forming private armies? Oh, wait....
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
October 09, 2011, 03:40:11 PM
#75
...snip...
Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

...snip...

So there won't be any violence in an anarchist society ?

Will there be violence? Probably.
Is there supposed to be violence? No.

And yet again, I fail to see how this relates to anarchy - it's an issue with practically any system in existence.

Its an issue if you propose a system that allows people to form private armies and they decide to take you as a slave.  If you have allowed them to form an army and there is no state, all you are left with by way of defence is saying "Is there supposed to be violence? No."

That's a very poor alternative to democracy.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 09, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
#74
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Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

...snip...

So there won't be any violence in an anarchist society ?

Will there be violence? Probably.
Is there supposed to be violence? No.

And yet again, I fail to see how this relates to anarchy - it's an issue with practically any system in existence.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
October 09, 2011, 03:05:22 PM
#73
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Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

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So there won't be any violence in an anarchist society ?
sr. member
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October 09, 2011, 02:47:25 PM
#72
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
What would a 'private army' do exactly? They cannot exercise force (after all, no enforced government), so what exactly would the purpose of said army be?
Why couldn't they exercise force?
Because that is the whole point of anarchism. No initiation of force.

DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
What would a 'private army' do exactly? They cannot exercise force (after all, no enforced government), so what exactly would the purpose of said army be?

If someone has the power to kill you, its pointless to say that they cannot exercise force.  They can do as they please and you'd best hope they stop at taking your possessions.

And what is the difference with how that works now? You can be killed and robbed anyway, private army or no private army. I fail to see how your criticism has anything to do with anarchism at all.
legendary
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October 09, 2011, 08:11:20 AM
#71
Democracy is a good idea - it's the practical realizations that suck for the most part...
legendary
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October 09, 2011, 08:07:54 AM
#70
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
What would a 'private army' do exactly? They cannot exercise force (after all, no enforced government), so what exactly would the purpose of said army be?

If someone has the power to kill you, its pointless to say that they cannot exercise force.  They can do as they please and you'd best hope they stop at taking your possessions.
legendary
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October 09, 2011, 01:26:15 AM
#69
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
What would a 'private army' do exactly? They cannot exercise force (after all, no enforced government), so what exactly would the purpose of said army be?
Why couldn't they exercise force?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 08, 2011, 08:50:07 PM
#68
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
What would a 'private army' do exactly? They cannot exercise force (after all, no enforced government), so what exactly would the purpose of said army be?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
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October 08, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
#67
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm


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New York City Police Foundation — New York

Beginning in 2010, JPMorgan Chase donated technology, time and resources valued at $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation, including 1,000 new patrol car laptops. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple.

New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing "profound gratitude" for the company's donation.

"These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Dimon said. "We're incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work."
legendary
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October 08, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
#66
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

What part of "rich guys with private armies are a bad idea" do you not understand?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
FirstBits: 168Bc
October 08, 2011, 05:05:54 PM
#65
Anarchy is nothingness. It's a state comprised of nothing.

Oh like nirvana. Sounds nice. Smiley
sr. member
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October 08, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
#64
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?

Anarchism is not an implemented governmental system, it's a state of being desiring the absence of enforced government.
Fixed that for you.

Is there any form of anarchy in which its member ensure the state of anarchy. Or is that just called libertarian - minimal government to enforce property rights and foreign invasion?
Anarchy by it's definition means no enforced government - that means that in a state of anarchy noone has the right to enforce government over another, thus self-sustaining the state of anarchy.

sr. member
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October 08, 2011, 02:58:30 PM
#63
Is there any form of anarchy in which its member ensure the state of anarchy. Or is that just called libertarian - minimal government to enforce property rights and foreign invasion?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 08, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
#62
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
What part of 'no enforced government' do you not understand?
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
October 08, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
#61
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.

Anarchy is great for the guys who start off rich enough to own the police and courts or for guys who can get military assistance from foreign governments.  But after a while, it would become a dictatorship as there can only be one guy who wins.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
October 08, 2011, 01:22:54 PM
#60
DEMOCRACY IS BAD BUT I REFUSE TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM WHICH WOULD BE FAIRER - Every single poster on this forum, to be perfectly honest
Welcome to anarchy. Smiley

EDIT: In case you didn't get it, that's your alternative system right there.
sr. member
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October 08, 2011, 01:10:17 PM
#59
+1 Exactly! Democracy itself is not the problem but it's implementation is.
Representative democracy is democracy by proxy. An uninformed, apathetic populous can not maintain true democracy. Aristocracy represent the demos in so far as the people vote with pitchforks. I hardly see the difference today. Democracy is a perfect system among equals.
legendary
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e-ducat.fr
October 08, 2011, 06:27:34 AM
#58
There is no problem with democracy, there is one with uncontrolled exercise of power.
At least democracy offers some opportunities to set controls in place.
The problem gets real difficult when democracies let a small group of people control wealth and money flows: its called Wall street and the City.

Bitcoin is all about taking back the monetary power from this two evils.
Meanwhile I will go back to reading Tocqueville and John Rawls.
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