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July 08, 2024, 05:29:12 AM
#90
I’ll return to the issue of “selective moderation” again Smiley
It's actually your specific double standards.

There are two invasions and two wars going on. In one war you call the invaders terrorists but in the other war you call the defenders terrorists! The first war is the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the second war is the Zionist invasion of Palestine. You can't have it both ways.
If you think that Palestinian people who have had their country invaded by Zionists and are being slaughtered every day are terrorists for defending their homes then you are also calling Ukrainian people who are defending their home terrorists.

So yes, I will delete your posts wherever you refer to Ukrainians as terrorists.

In the examples of the two wars you gave, there is one significant difference that you kept silent about. In the case of Ukraine, Russia simply attacked it back in 2014 in order to seize its territory and change the domestic and foreign policies of this country.

But before the Israeli invasion of Palestine, the day before there was a brutal attack by Hamas militants in Israel, during which they deliberately killed many civilians and took some civilians hostage. The Israeli army's invasion of Palestinian territory was aimed at freeing hostages and clearing Palestine of Hamas militants in order to avoid further attacks.
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July 07, 2024, 11:52:00 AM
#89

Since Russia attacked Ukraine, some things have changed significantly in the EU, which means that many alternative sources of oil and gas supply have been found, primarily from the US and Africa (Algeria, Nigeria) and increased production from Norway. The latest data indicate that EU gas storage facilities are about 99% full, and temperatures are still around 20 degrees Celsius (daily), and long-term forecasts point to a relatively warm winter.


Indeed, Russia’s war against Ukraine immediately began to be accompanied by blackmail of Russia not to supply oil and gas to European countries in the event of providing assistance to Ukraine in the war, and this led to changes in the direction of a sharp demand for alternative energy sources and a relatively rapid refusal of the EU from Russian energy resources.

 What is also interesting: constant shelling and bombing by Russia of generating energy facilities, and these are mainly large enterprises operating on coal, gas and other carbohydrates and their processed products, gave an impetus to Ukraine not only to switch to alternative energy sources, but also to abandon huge and outdated own generating facilities and not even try to restore them. Ukraine will use many small wind generators, solar power plants and other alternative energy sources, the production, installation and operation of which are becoming cheaper every year. In particular, in Ukraine they plan to issue interest-free loans to citizens and provide assistance in installing solar power plants on the roofs of private houses, so that Russia does not have the opportunity and chance to destroy the currently too centralized energy industry of Ukraine. Most likely, this will not lead to an increase in prices, but to a reduction in the cost of energy resources. So, in this regard, Russia forced Ukraine to quickly rebuild and make its energy industry more decentralized, economically profitable, and most importantly, environmentally friendly.
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December 13, 2023, 05:04:57 AM
#88
Your buddies in 8200 יחידה took the big hit on October 7 that they won't recover from for the next decade so I understand your furiousness Wink

Lets address some of your off-topic nonsense since I'm in a good mood:
I'm not ready to say for sure, but Yemen has probably become a puppet in someone else's hands as well.
You mean because Yemen saw injustice in the world and took actions against a terrorist organization that has invaded Palestine and is committing genocide it should mean they are someone else's "puppet" LOL
Man, that someone else has to be very powerful that has gotten the whole world to say the same exact thing and see Israel as the criminal:

The image above and the headline shows who's the puppet here Grin

They do not pose an objective threat to the US Navy or other democratic western countries.
Tell that to USS Carney that had to spend days in Djibouti port for repairs last month when a "warning shot" from Yemen damaged it and all they did was issue a choke act to prevent the news from leaking. Here is what they tell about the unknown strength of Armed Forces of Yemen:
But they can provoke a powerful response to terrorist antics,
Yes, armed forces of Yemen are answering to the terrorist attack on Palestinians and will dominate the supporters of the terrorist organizations if they dare get involved.
The only thing US regime will do in the future is to use some proxy like ISIS inside Yemen to start a proxy war and try to weaken them. Many terrorist groups and subgroups of ISIS have already announced their readiness to fight for their boss against Yemen.

- Regarding "Iran's peacemaking ideas" - sounds just funny Smiley Financing, providing and inciting Hamas and other proxies to attack Israel and massacre Palestine - is it about stability and peace ? However, Iran should be given credit - when Iran realized that for this it can be very "fly", Iran beautifully "leaked" Hamas, PUBLICLY declaring them "reprimanded" for attacking Israel without consulting Iran. It was not us, it was Hamas, don't touch us ! Smiley There are even official statements by Iranian representatives, which is easily verified Smiley
Don't be too desperate your Zionist buddies in the 8200 יחידה are fine, they are just being interrogated and have already leaked so much top classified intelligence that has helped us neutralized dozens of Israeli terrorist cells overseas in nearly 15 countries and regions, from Egypt to Turkey, from Asia to Africa.
This is just the beginning.


Of course by fine I mean the IDF Hannibal Protocol and their constant subsequent bombing failed to eliminate these intelligence officers Wink
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December 12, 2023, 05:52:25 PM
#87
I'm not ready to say for sure, but Yemen has probably become a puppet in someone else's hands as well. And it is being used as a provocateur that creates tension in this region, which is very important for the transportation of oil from the Middle East. They do not pose an objective threat to the US Navy or other democratic western countries. But they can provoke a powerful response to terrorist antics, which in the end, according to the scenario of some "scriptwriters" and will lead to a global conflict, which will lead to a temporary or even long-term blockage of the Red Sea and shipping channels.
I was just wondering: Hamas or Hezbollah or some other military group could buy a missile or a sea drone (from corrupt Ukrainian military haha) and that USS Gerald R. Ford is such a huge target, it's almost impossible to miss. If Russian intelligence wouldn't be so lazy, impotent and useless they would have used such a great opportunity...  Grin

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Regarding other ideas:
- Putin went to the meeting to apologize for not fulfilling his obligations to reduce oil production (and you really don't know that Russia is systematically cheating its Opec+ partners as well ?), and to try to agree on using the banking system of some countries in the region to launder and transfer money to further finance terrorist wars.
How do you know that? Any sources? Oh wait, I forgot, you never provide sources.

Quote from: DrBeer
- Regarding "Iran's peacemaking ideas" - sounds just funny Smiley Financing, providing and inciting Hamas and other proxies to attack Israel and massacre Palestine - is it about stability and peace ?
I'm not sure what mean here: you're trying to say that Hamas is responsible for bombing the shit out of Palestine? It wasn't bloody war criminal baby-killer Netanyahu? Hamas were bombing themselves and their children and relatives, right?  Grin

Quote from: DrBeer
when Iran realized that for this it can be very "fly", Iran beautifully "leaked" Hamas, PUBLICLY declaring them "reprimanded" for attacking Israel without consulting Iran. It was not us, it was Hamas, don't touch us ! Smiley There are even official statements by Iranian representatives, which is easily verified Smiley
Some kind of unintelligible blabbering, I didn't get the idea. Are you drunk?  Grin
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December 12, 2023, 04:24:49 PM
#86
Thus far the global energy routes are not impacted by this war, but if this spread to other areas, global energy crises might kick in.
A little update:
Things may change very soon because of US regime's actions in Red Sea. If you've been following the news, the armed forces of Yemen have announced that they will not allow any shipments to go towards Israel and have already seized at least 2 ships and attacked a couple others that were headed to Eilat port.

However the US regime has been trying to say that Yemenis coast guard/navy is threatening international maritime security which is an obvious bullshit considering the heavy traffic of vessels that cross Yemenis waters without any problems whatsoever every second of every day:


Of course US regime is not giving up its threats on maritime traffic. They are not trying to transfer supplies to the terrorist organization under their support through third party ships which means their actions would force Yemeni forces to seize or attack those vessels now.
This could change the conflict and expand it.

Russian President's visit to the Middle East is of prime importance, as he discussed Oil production and other international matters with Saudi Crown Prince and UAE. Back home he met with the Iranian President. This indicate that Russia might become a mediator in this war between Israel and Hamas.
I don't think so. The recent visits were energy related to force Arab dictators to comply with the supply reduction agreements since there has been rumors about how Saud and UAE have been secretly increasing production against the last publicly announced supply cut decision which IIRC was in May.
Russia only cares about two things. They prefer energy prices to remain up and also prefers the conflict in occupied Palestine to continue because it helps them advance in Ukraine. Already the ammonization supply to Ukraine has dropped drastically since NATO is sending those weapons to occupied lands to murder women and children!

Additionally my guess is that another reason for it was the red lines Iran clarified once again for these Arab dictators that they are not allowed to cross in the current conflict, in order to prevent the war from expanding throughout the region. That's what Iran cares about, stability of the entire West Asia without foreign intervention or presence.

You see what the Zionist regime desperately wants is to start something major somewhere else so that the media is distracted from their crimes against humanity. For example imagine if tomorrow you woke to the news about Aramco having been destroyed or USS Carney having been sunk and US military preparing a retaliation. In that case there wouldn't be any room left in the media to cover the genocide that the Zionist terrorists are committing in Palestine so they can increase their aggression and attacks as everyone is distracted by counting US casualties 2000km away.


I'm not ready to say for sure, but Yemen has probably become a puppet in someone else's hands as well. And it is being used as a provocateur that creates tension in this region, which is very important for the transportation of oil from the Middle East. They do not pose an objective threat to the US Navy or other democratic western countries. But they can provoke a powerful response to terrorist antics, which in the end, according to the scenario of some "scriptwriters" and will lead to a global conflict, which will lead to a temporary or even long-term blockage of the Red Sea and shipping channels.

Regarding other ideas:
- Putin went to the meeting to apologize for not fulfilling his obligations to reduce oil production (and you really don't know that Russia is systematically cheating its Opec+ partners as well ?), and to try to agree on using the banking system of some countries in the region to launder and transfer money to further finance terrorist wars. Since yuan and rupees cannot be used except for "beautiful statistics".
- Regarding "Iran's peacemaking ideas" - sounds just funny Smiley Financing, providing and inciting Hamas and other proxies to attack Israel and massacre Palestine - is it about stability and peace ? However, Iran should be given credit - when Iran realized that for this it can be very "fly", Iran beautifully "leaked" Hamas, PUBLICLY declaring them "reprimanded" for attacking Israel without consulting Iran. It was not us, it was Hamas, don't touch us ! Smiley There are even official statements by Iranian representatives, which is easily verified Smiley
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December 12, 2023, 01:55:51 AM
#85
Thus far the global energy routes are not impacted by this war, but if this spread to other areas, global energy crises might kick in.
A little update:
Things may change very soon because of US regime's actions in Red Sea. If you've been following the news, the armed forces of Yemen have announced that they will not allow any shipments to go towards Israel and have already seized at least 2 ships and attacked a couple others that were headed to Eilat port.

However the US regime has been trying to say that Yemenis coast guard/navy is threatening international maritime security which is an obvious bullshit considering the heavy traffic of vessels that cross Yemenis waters without any problems whatsoever every second of every day:


Of course US regime is not giving up its threats on maritime traffic. They are not trying to transfer supplies to the terrorist organization under their support through third party ships which means their actions would force Yemeni forces to seize or attack those vessels now.
This could change the conflict and expand it.

Russian President's visit to the Middle East is of prime importance, as he discussed Oil production and other international matters with Saudi Crown Prince and UAE. Back home he met with the Iranian President. This indicate that Russia might become a mediator in this war between Israel and Hamas.
I don't think so. The recent visits were energy related to force Arab dictators to comply with the supply reduction agreements since there has been rumors about how Saud and UAE have been secretly increasing production against the last publicly announced supply cut decision which IIRC was in May.
Russia only cares about two things. They prefer energy prices to remain up and also prefers the conflict in occupied Palestine to continue because it helps them advance in Ukraine. Already the ammonization supply to Ukraine has dropped drastically since NATO is sending those weapons to occupied lands to murder women and children!

Additionally my guess is that another reason for it was the red lines Iran clarified once again for these Arab dictators that they are not allowed to cross in the current conflict, in order to prevent the war from expanding throughout the region. That's what Iran cares about, stability of the entire West Asia without foreign intervention or presence.

You see what the Zionist regime desperately wants is to start something major somewhere else so that the media is distracted from their crimes against humanity. For example imagine if tomorrow you woke to the news about Aramco having been destroyed or USS Carney having been sunk and US military preparing a retaliation. In that case there wouldn't be any room left in the media to cover the genocide that the Zionist terrorists are committing in Palestine so they can increase their aggression and attacks as everyone is distracted by counting US casualties 2000km away.
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December 11, 2023, 01:02:59 PM
#84
I’ll return to the issue of “selective moderation” again Smiley

I agree with my answer to the topic participant’s question (see screenshot below), it goes somewhat beyond the ideal match with the author’s expectations. But the question itself from another student is far from the truth.

Request to the topic author:
- or not openly show your selectivity and duplicity in the “struggle to follow the rules”
- or then delete ALL posts that are off topic.
- or be honest, at least to yourself, and honestly write - “I don’t like your opinion, I don’t want to hear it, but I want to hear only those opinions that I like. That’s why I will delete your posts and those that I like, although not relevant to the topic, I will leave it to please my feelings" Smiley
- or also write honestly - I have no arguments, I’m afraid to answer you, I don’t have enough knowledge, so I will hide your posts, they are inconvenient and infuriating to me, because... I am helpless to answer them. Believe me, after you honestly voice the reasons, I will stop writing even a word in your topics Smiley Just don’t go back to the tales about “inexact matching of the topic,” okay? Looks very cowardly and stupid Smiley
 
Looks very cowardly and stupid Grin

Muahahahaha I had a good laugh, Mr Troll! You should be the last one to whine about "selective moderation" or should I remind you how you cowardly deleted all my comments full of facts, valid sources and quotes from all threads started by you? I wasn't even breaking any rules, I was just asking inconvenient questions and exposing you as a complete lying bozo! pooya87 is in fact very lenient as he generously still allows you to post your bs comments here (although they mostly have nothing to do with the topic we're discussing here).

So yeah, indeed, it looks very cowardly and stupid  Grin


In 1 thread, 1 of your posts was deleted, which, as usual for you, did not carry any meaningful load, except for primitive, I would even say stupid, insults  Grin Grin Grin Grin

PS pooya87 - interested in your reaction to the above serveria.com post ?  Grin
I understand - it's on topic ? Now we will find out how honest you are, at least to yourself !  Grin
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December 11, 2023, 09:01:04 AM
#83
Over 18,000 Palestinian have died in this war. Israel is murdering kids and adults on daily basis. Among the deceased, approximately 45% were children. This is genocide and US is actively supporting this genocide. The US has "vetoed" a UN resolution asking for a ceasefire. This means, Israel is not alone in this, US is providing every support from finances to ammunition.

Thus far the global energy routes are not impacted by this war, but if this spread to other areas, global energy crises might kick in. Russian President's visit to the Middle East is of prime importance, as he discussed Oil production and other international matters with Saudi Crown Prince and UAE. Back home he met with the Iranian President. This indicate that Russia might become a mediator in this war between Israel and Hamas.
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December 11, 2023, 04:27:58 AM
#82
I assume that from January 2024 the dollar index will already start to fall. Oil prices are dictated by a cartel consisting of major player countries, which can calmly control the price by reducing or increasing production. And one should not be happy about a temporary decrease - ordinary people will always be the losers
The oil prices contains enough volatility and there's not so much revenue to be generated. Everyone is after the profits he or she stands to gain from the system, it doesn't matter if the country oil is not moving according to plans or stratified methods, rather it goes prior to our reasonings. You only spotted out your initiatives concerning the energy prices and as you well know, we all have our different opinions and bringing it up here is very welcoming, I know alot of people from the forum will benefits from your idea, I'm not excluded also because I've thoroughly gone through and I must say, it's worth it.
The idea is not worth it and we should not deceive ourselves about it. Think of it, how did @Unbunplease so sure that the USD index would start falling in 2024? That is an assumption and not a fact, nothing to back it up at all. With my quick analysis, I saw that the case is even different, the USD index is on the bullish path and has the bullish price action on the higher charts, so what? And you can't automatically believe that what happened to the USD index is what would happen to crude oil, their driving forces vary, so you don't entirely relate them together to conclude a reason why a trend is established in them.

There are instances that the USD index would fall and the USD falls against some assets, but will not fall against oil and some others, what about that? That is why we have to be in-depth in our analysis and the speculation thereof before we issue advice. For me, the USD index is on the bullish path, it has had its fair share of bearish movements earlier and this is the time it faces northwards until further notice. As for crude oil, at this time, many factors would determine its price and it ranges from the Israel-Hamas war (how it affects demands and supplies), OPEC meetings (cutting or raising), the COP28 agreement and how they implement it, and many others. I see the USD in particular to be stable in 2024 even as the US itself is getting out of their financial issues caused mostly by inflation.
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December 11, 2023, 03:59:50 AM
#81
I’ll return to the issue of “selective moderation” again Smiley
It's actually your specific double standards.

There are two invasions and two wars going on. In one war you call the invaders terrorists but in the other war you call the defenders terrorists! The first war is the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the second war is the Zionist invasion of Palestine. You can't have it both ways.
If you think that Palestinian people who have had their country invaded by Zionists and are being slaughtered every day are terrorists for defending their homes then you are also calling Ukrainian people who are defending their home terrorists.

So yes, I will delete your posts wherever you refer to Ukrainians as terrorists.
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December 10, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
#80
I’ll return to the issue of “selective moderation” again Smiley

I agree with my answer to the topic participant’s question (see screenshot below), it goes somewhat beyond the ideal match with the author’s expectations. But the question itself from another student is far from the truth.

Request to the topic author:
- or not openly show your selectivity and duplicity in the “struggle to follow the rules”
- or then delete ALL posts that are off topic.
- or be honest, at least to yourself, and honestly write - “I don’t like your opinion, I don’t want to hear it, but I want to hear only those opinions that I like. That’s why I will delete your posts and those that I like, although not relevant to the topic, I will leave it to please my feelings" Smiley
- or also write honestly - I have no arguments, I’m afraid to answer you, I don’t have enough knowledge, so I will hide your posts, they are inconvenient and infuriating to me, because... I am helpless to answer them. Believe me, after you honestly voice the reasons, I will stop writing even a word in your topics Smiley Just don’t go back to the tales about “inexact matching of the topic,” okay? Looks very cowardly and stupid Smiley
 
Looks very cowardly and stupid Grin

Muahahahaha I had a good laugh, Mr Troll! You should be the last one to whine about "selective moderation" or should I remind you how you cowardly deleted all my comments full of facts, valid sources and quotes from all threads started by you? I wasn't even breaking any rules, I was just asking inconvenient questions and exposing you as a complete lying bozo! pooya87 is in fact very lenient as he generously still allows you to post your bs comments here (although they mostly have nothing to do with the topic we're discussing here).

So yeah, indeed, it looks very cowardly and stupid  Grin
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December 10, 2023, 06:58:06 AM
#79
I’ll return to the issue of “selective moderation” again Smiley

I agree with my answer to the topic participant’s question (see screenshot below), it goes somewhat beyond the ideal match with the author’s expectations. But the question itself from another student is far from the truth.

Request to the topic author:
- or not openly show your selectivity and duplicity in the “struggle to follow the rules”
- or then delete ALL posts that are off topic.
- or be honest, at least to yourself, and honestly write - “I don’t like your opinion, I don’t want to hear it, but I want to hear only those opinions that I like. That’s why I will delete your posts and those that I like, although not relevant to the topic, I will leave it to please my feelings" Smiley
- or also write honestly - I have no arguments, I’m afraid to answer you, I don’t have enough knowledge, so I will hide your posts, they are inconvenient and infuriating to me, because... I am helpless to answer them. Believe me, after you honestly voice the reasons, I will stop writing even a word in your topics Smiley Just don’t go back to the tales about “inexact matching of the topic,” okay? Looks very cowardly and stupid Smiley
 
Looks very cowardly and stupid Grin

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December 09, 2023, 03:11:52 PM
#78
I assume that from January 2024 the dollar index will already start to fall. Oil prices are dictated by a cartel consisting of major player countries, which can calmly control the price by reducing or increasing production. And one should not be happy about a temporary decrease - ordinary people will always be the losers
The oil prices contains enough volatility and there's not so much revenue to be generated. Everyone is after the profits he or she stands to gain from the system, it doesn't matter if the country oil is not moving according to plans or stratified methods, rather it goes prior to our reasonings. You only spotted out your initiatives concerning the energy prices and as you well know, we all have our different opinions and bringing it up here is very welcoming, I know alot of people from the forum will benefits from your idea, I'm not excluded also because I've thoroughly gone through and I must say, it's worth it.
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December 09, 2023, 10:36:54 AM
#77
As the global economy weathers the storm of inflation, a harsh reality emerges: the cost of energy, an essential lifeblood, has climbed to unprecedented heights. This confluence of economic turbulence and soaring energy prices presents a complex challenge, demanding not just acknowledgement but a deeper understanding and reasoned response.

Inflation, like a rising tide, lifts the price of everything, inevitably impacting energy consumption. The economic law of demand and supply dictates that higher prices lead to lower demand, and this applies to energy as well. Consumers, struggling with inflated living costs, may be forced to curtail their energy usage, impacting industries and businesses reliant on consistent consumption.

However, accepting this situation as an inevitable consequence would be short-sighted. While the immediate impact of inflation on energy prices is undeniable, we must also recognize the potential for positive change. This crisis can act as a catalyst for innovation and a shift towards sustainable energy solutions.
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December 09, 2023, 10:32:20 AM
#76
That's absolute bollocks; there's pure manipulation of oil prices. There's a great demand for oil; if the supply is limited by this much, it'll send fuel prices to the moon once again. They're still high; imagine what will happen when the supply cut takes place. I believe that after the Ukraine-Russian war and the sanctions against Russia, we're doomed to a vicious circle of higher fuel and energy prices that will never recover ever again.
That's unfortunately true. I consider this the World War 3 which is being fought in different "battle fields" one of which is the energy field which means energy prices are going to be used as a weapon and that hurts regular people.
The other battle fields are economy, food, water, other natural resources and of course the armed conflict going on in 3 locations: Eastern Europe, West Asia, North of South America.

One of the reasons why the current conflict reached the Red Sea is exactly that. US and NATO support genocide of Palestinians and NATO countries needs lower energy prices so the tensions in energy routes increase as a response to put pressure on NATO to stop supporting terrorism and genocide.

Only the US is profiting from this war, as it's currently our main supplier for oil and especially CNG.
It wasn't all profit though, basically only the giants in energy sector reaped the rewards, otherwise the high energy price also led to increased inflation inside US which they suppressed by increasing the interest rate which then led to recession.
Not to mention the trillions the government had to print over the past 2 years reaching the debt ceiling twice in a row and setting an unprecedented national debt.
The first signs were the increased number of lay-offs and banks and tech sector that went bankrupt.
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December 09, 2023, 10:30:59 AM
#75
Honestly , I really hope they won't because things in my country are already way to expensive for most of our citizens. Another rise in energy prices would simply bring people out in the streets but I'm sure that won't change anything because we will not be the only ones affected by this. On the other side , the war Ukraine - Russia already made Romanian prices to go up in all sectors so I really hope the conflict from Israel and Hamas would not have the same effect and I do hope a solution will be available for the world soon.
Regarding energy prices, I think it is difficult to predict with certainty, but the Ukraine-Russia war has indeed affected prices in various countries and I hope that the conflict between Israel and Hamas will not make things worse.
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December 09, 2023, 10:05:14 AM
#74
Oil is in decline I've been reading recently, OPEC is trying to suggest lower supply will be the case but market perceives lower prices are correct.  Since thats the bulk of energy it would usually indicate we dont see especially high prices this winter perhaps.  Also Dollar index is rising again today and has often risen over the whole range of time frames, it would seem high energy cost is not yet here or indicated.
  Generally I do think energy can rise alongside many commodities but not in a simple way.  Another big indicator is the growth of China which is not simply up yet either, its not negative despite some wars it could be worse and thats another big factor often spiking prices.

I assume that from January 2024 the dollar index will already start to fall. Oil prices are dictated by a cartel consisting of major player countries, which can calmly control the price by reducing or increasing production. And one should not be happy about a temporary decrease - ordinary people will always be the losers
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December 09, 2023, 03:42:57 AM
#73
They are not trying to suggest it, they already decided in their last meeting to cut the supply by a large amount (2.2 million barrels per day) but the supply cut will start next year and they will continue supplying like before until then (that should be about a month or two).
If nothing changes, this cut would probably bring price up closer to $90 again, but I don't think it can do much more than that.
That's absolute bollocks; there's pure manipulation of oil prices. There's a great demand for oil; if the supply is limited by this much, it'll send fuel prices to the moon once again. They're still high; imagine what will happen when the supply cut takes place. I believe that after the Ukraine-Russian war and the sanctions against Russia, we're doomed to a vicious circle of higher fuel and energy prices that will never recover ever again. Only the US is profiting from this war, as it's currently our main supplier for oil and especially CNG.

I was hoping that fuel prices would eventually recover, at least to a reasonable extent. The average petrol price here is €1.85 per liter; that is still insanely expensive and was a price that we'd see towards the end of the tourist season; now it has become the norm, and no one seems to be complaining about it. On the contrary, we seem to be thankful for not paying €2 per liter.
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December 09, 2023, 03:11:10 AM
#72
Considering some of the biggest exporters of oil is not Palestine or Israel, I am not entirely sure how Russia paying Hamas would end up making USA have expensive gas prices.
The genocide Israel is committing in Palestine with the help of United States has nothing to do with Russia but @DrBeer has a way of derailing every topic and tying it up with Russia.

Oil is in decline I've been reading recently, OPEC is trying to suggest lower supply will be the case but market perceives lower prices are correct.
They are not trying to suggest it, they already decided in their last meeting to cut the supply by a large amount (2.2 million barrels per day) but the supply cut will start next year and they will continue supplying like before until then (that should be about a month or two).
If nothing changes, this cut would probably bring price up closer to $90 again, but I don't think it can do much more than that.
STT
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December 08, 2023, 02:18:54 PM
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Oil is in decline I've been reading recently, OPEC is trying to suggest lower supply will be the case but market perceives lower prices are correct.  Since thats the bulk of energy it would usually indicate we dont see especially high prices this winter perhaps.  Also Dollar index is rising again today and has often risen over the whole range of time frames, it would seem high energy cost is not yet here or indicated.
  Generally I do think energy can rise alongside many commodities but not in a simple way.  Another big indicator is the growth of China which is not simply up yet either, its not negative despite some wars it could be worse and thats another big factor often spiking prices.
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December 07, 2023, 04:54:29 PM
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Considering some of the biggest exporters of oil is not Palestine or Israel, I am not entirely sure how Russia paying Hamas would end up making USA have expensive gas prices.

It's clear that the gas prices at USA is high for two main reasons, one is the fact that they are not getting it from Russia anymore, so they are forced to wherever they could, and two.. well inflation is real for every nation in the world not just USA, we all pay a lot more for everything, a simple bread is higher too, a bottle of water is higher too, prices of things do not stay the same after hyperinflation, and that's what happened when USA decided to print nearly 4 trillion dollars, and not like they are ruined neither, even after printing that much money USA is still richest nation in the world, so it wasn't really a big deal, sure prices of gas went up, but now everyone can afford that, or at least lets say most people.

Basically the US are taking this missing oil from reserves. Unfortunately, the reserves are not unlimited (they have already reached the absolute low) so sooner rather than later they will need to resume buying. It's the waiting game, but as well as with the sanctions, they have no chance. It's absolutely useless and is not going to stop Russia. Already now, Ukrainians admit the amount of weapons they are receiving from the West is 3x less Russia is producing and providing to their military. Foreign aid has dropped 90% and reached the lowest since 2022.

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I think USA should ignore what's going on there, they are doing fine on their own, let people do whatever to each other, USA can stay strong without Ukraine or Israel anyway, help or no help.

Yes, I fully agree. They should forget that "world policeman" crap and start minding their own business, take care of their people etc. I think that post-Biden America is going to do exactly that.



 
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December 07, 2023, 02:20:22 PM
#69
Just because some others like Russia benefit from certain actions in another region (anywhere not just West Asia) that doesn't mean they always have a hand in it. For example in case of Palestine, the 75 years of nonstop genocide led to many conflicts between Palestinians and those who want to kill them all, that includes the current ongoing conflict.
Same with Yemen, 9 years of being bombed and having whatever they have destroyed which caused the biggest humanitarian crisis (even worse than Gaza) has led to the current conflict they have with United States.
I partly agree. Sometimes it happens that third-party participants can receive unexpected benefits as a result of some kind of conflict. For example, like the United States - after Russia unleashed a terrorist war in Ukraine in 2014/2022, the US military-industrial complex received a lot of government orders to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons to fight Russian terrorists.
If we talk about the massacre that Hamas has tripled in Israel, the picture is somewhat different. One of the “directors” of this was Russia, which has already been proven, although not by direct participation, but by financing, consultations, and intelligence assistance. And the goal of this “project” was to destabilize the Middle East by disrupting oil supplies to the world market, hiding behind Hamas and other proxies. After all, there were expectations that neighbors would get involved in this massacre, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries that significantly influence the oil market.
Considering some of the biggest exporters of oil is not Palestine or Israel, I am not entirely sure how Russia paying Hamas would end up making USA have expensive gas prices.

It's clear that the gas prices at USA is high for two main reasons, one is the fact that they are not getting it from Russia anymore, so they are forced to wherever they could, and two.. well inflation is real for every nation in the world not just USA, we all pay a lot more for everything, a simple bread is higher too, a bottle of water is higher too, prices of things do not stay the same after hyperinflation, and that's what happened when USA decided to print nearly 4 trillion dollars, and not like they are ruined neither, even after printing that much money USA is still richest nation in the world, so it wasn't really a big deal, sure prices of gas went up, but now everyone can afford that, or at least lets say most people.

I think USA should ignore what's going on there, they are doing fine on their own, let people do whatever to each other, USA can stay strong without Ukraine or Israel anyway, help or no help.
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December 06, 2023, 09:16:37 AM
#68
you are right here, the "hand of the Kremlin" can be traced in igniting another Middle East fire, I agree. 
Just because some others like Russia benefit from certain actions in another region (anywhere not just West Asia) that doesn't mean they always have a hand in it. For example in case of Palestine, the 75 years of nonstop genocide led to many conflicts between Palestinians and those who want to kill them all, that includes the current ongoing conflict.
Same with Yemen, 9 years of being bombed and having whatever they have destroyed which caused the biggest humanitarian crisis (even worse than Gaza) has led to the current conflict they have with United States.

I partly agree. Sometimes it happens that third-party participants can receive unexpected benefits as a result of some kind of conflict. For example, like the United States - after Russia unleashed a terrorist war in Ukraine in 2014/2022, the US military-industrial complex received a lot of government orders to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons to fight Russian terrorists.
If we talk about the massacre that Hamas has tripled in Israel, the picture is somewhat different. One of the “directors” of this was Russia, which has already been proven, although not by direct participation, but by financing, consultations, and intelligence assistance. And the goal of this “project” was to destabilize the Middle East by disrupting oil supplies to the world market, hiding behind Hamas and other proxies. After all, there were expectations that neighbors would get involved in this massacre, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries that significantly influence the oil market.
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December 06, 2023, 06:58:08 AM
#67
you are right here, the "hand of the Kremlin" can be traced in igniting another Middle East fire, I agree. 
Just because some others like Russia benefit from certain actions in another region (anywhere not just West Asia) that doesn't mean they always have a hand in it. For example in case of Palestine, the 75 years of nonstop genocide led to many conflicts between Palestinians and those who want to kill them all, that includes the current ongoing conflict.
Same with Yemen, 9 years of being bombed and having whatever they have destroyed which caused the biggest humanitarian crisis (even worse than Gaza) has led to the current conflict they have with United States.
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#66
I try to follow your recommendations and have already improved, as I think, the quality of answers Smiley
And I appreciate that.

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PS At the same time, it would be expected to see comments and other participants who write ABSOLUTELY not on the topic of the topic, not on the topic even close to the topic, or it somehow looks biased Smiley.
I prefer to have the topic open and the discussion ongoing (hopefully about the topic) because the situation in Red Sea is changing and the tensions are still very high.
For example over the past 2 days we had another news regarding the USS Carney being attacked for the second time and 2 or 3 more Israeli vessels seized or attacked. Unfortunately the details are being censored by both sides for different reasons and they don't release much for me to post anything reliable about the situation and its possible effects.

For now it seems like US is desperately trying to avoid direct confrontation and instead start a proxy war. For example since US military could not do anything, instead the American organization called the UN World Food Program halted food aid to the war torn Yemen.
- On one hand this proxy war could be beneficial for US regime that wants to redirect its focus on continuation of genocide of Palestinians, fight a proxy war with Russia, counter expansion of China and of course the new war that is starting in South America.
- On the other hand if the regime succeeds in convincing its proxies to fight Yemen, it would be more devastating for energy prices and international trade. Because the proxies US regime is choosing is Saudi Arabia (oil rich) and Egypt (Suez Canal) and a couple of others in the region. These proxies are all illegitimate dictatorships that could fall if they cross certain red lines such as attacking Yemen since people of all these countries (despite the dictators) are standing with Palestine and those supporting Palestinians.

This is how complex the situation is right now and we still don't know which way the Red Sea region is going to go.

War is not really beneficial to the direct participants of a potential conflict - it means casualties, destruction of both the country and the economy. Moreover, the world has not yet fully recovered from Covid and 2022. The only benefit is the behind-the-scenes, which provokes others to become a trigger or give an excuse. The U.S., playing the role of "world policeman", is forced to spend energy and resources on solving problems, and in this potential global conflict as well. And it is logical that they do not want full-fledged hostilities in the region, as it will lead to additional difficulties for their partners in the region.

"fight a proxy war with Russia, counter expansion of China" - you are right here, the "hand of the Kremlin" can be traced in igniting another Middle East fire, I agree. Regarding China, there are doubts.  China is not in a position to worsen relations with the US. And if before the last meeting China pretended to be neutral, although it did not impose bans on the supply of arms and dual-use technologies to its "sponsors", now China's rhetoric has changed, and China is forced to compromise with the U.S., and accordingly, in this conflict, China is very unlikely to be on the side of Hamas.
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#65
I try to follow your recommendations and have already improved, as I think, the quality of answers Smiley
And I appreciate that.

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PS At the same time, it would be expected to see comments and other participants who write ABSOLUTELY not on the topic of the topic, not on the topic even close to the topic, or it somehow looks biased Smiley.
I prefer to have the topic open and the discussion ongoing (hopefully about the topic) because the situation in Red Sea is changing and the tensions are still very high.
For example over the past 2 days we had another news regarding the USS Carney being attacked for the second time and 2 or 3 more Israeli vessels seized or attacked. Unfortunately the details are being censored by both sides for different reasons and they don't release much for me to post anything reliable about the situation and its possible effects.

For now it seems like US is desperately trying to avoid direct confrontation and instead start a proxy war. For example since US military could not do anything, instead the American organization called the UN World Food Program halted food aid to the war torn Yemen.
- On one hand this proxy war could be beneficial for US regime that wants to redirect its focus on continuation of genocide of Palestinians, fight a proxy war with Russia, counter expansion of China and of course the new war that is starting in South America.
- On the other hand if the regime succeeds in convincing its proxies to fight Yemen, it would be more devastating for energy prices and international trade. Because the proxies US regime is choosing is Saudi Arabia (oil rich) and Egypt (Suez Canal) and a couple of others in the region. These proxies are all illegitimate dictatorships that could fall if they cross certain red lines such as attacking Yemen since people of all these countries (despite the dictators) are standing with Palestine and those supporting Palestinians.

This is how complex the situation is right now and we still don't know which way the Red Sea region is going to go.
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December 05, 2023, 11:04:30 AM
#64
But let’s return to the topic of fuel prices, according to the quite reasonable request of the respected author of the topic !
You say that and yet you are still off-topic Cheesy
That's because you are still reading the title (not the topic content) and responding to the title. This is not about energy prices, this topic is about the effects of the conflict in Red Sea on energy prices! Since the topic is already derailed I won't bother with deleting anymore...

BTW the big supply cut by OPEC is going to start in first quarter of next year which means it won't affect the price until then.

I try to follow your recommendations and have already improved, as I think, the quality of answers Smiley

Well, at least it is already about the region, OPEC+, and about those whose oil goes by the specified route. 
It is the conflict in this region that affects regional suppliers, who are now trying to reduce their production levels in addition to the risks from the conflict. no matter how you look at it, some OPEC+ countries may be either dragged into this conflict or have direct negative consequences by being "on the border" where hostilities are taking place.


PS At the same time, it would be expected to see comments and other participants who write ABSOLUTELY not on the topic of the topic, not on the topic even close to the topic, or it somehow looks biased Smiley.

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December 05, 2023, 10:15:46 AM
#63
But let’s return to the topic of fuel prices, according to the quite reasonable request of the respected author of the topic !
You say that and yet you are still off-topic Cheesy
That's because you are still reading the title (not the topic content) and responding to the title. This is not about energy prices, this topic is about the effects of the conflict in Red Sea on energy prices! Since the topic is already derailed I won't bother with deleting anymore...

BTW the big supply cut by OPEC is going to start in first quarter of next year which means it won't affect the price until then.
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#62
Read your posts in other threads, about the unacceptable rise in gas prices and other nonsense, where you even cited some photos from the fence Smiley.
Let's start from the beginning. This topic, opened by respected pooya87, concerns the issue of hydrocarbons ... And then you suddenly "jump" from the topic, where as always you shit yourself, and instead of gas you cite information not about the EU, but about one country, where POSSIBLY, in the FUTURE year, will raise ... the cost of electricity Smiley
Yeah, says the person who is derailing all threads he participates in and posts his useless crap about "how bad Russia is doing" no matter what the subject is. You always refuse to acknowledge evidence. You never mention sources. A typical troll.

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And you, in the above article, just read the headline, but did not read the article itself, as always Smiley
And the article says that if you don't like the tariffs of this provider... choose another one Smiley
What difference does it make if all tariffs are going up? You will end up paying more. 30 or 40% more but you will pay more than last year.

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That should have been the end of it, but I will add: you cited a great article about the EU, except that you forgot to mention that the article talks about, and clearly states that this was happening.... early 2023 Smiley Accidentally forgot to note ? It's now the end of 2023, and you can find charts of EU prices at the current time. I have cited from several times for a reason, where indeed from spring 2022 to the first half of 2023, prices were high, for reasons known to all, and then.... the graphs go down.
At least I'm citing some articles, unlike you! When was last time you provided a source for your information? Mostly made-up "facts" with no sources and zero credibility.  

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Bottom line: all your pathetic and primitive attempts to manipulate the data are easily verifiable, and cause nothing but laughter Smiley
Well that's really cool. You're having good time, laughing while your compatriots are dying in Donbas? Great success! BTW, when are you planning to join them, huh?




 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

1. "derailing all threads" ? Write honestly - he constantly plunges your face into shit, in front of everyone, with any of your pathetic attempts at manipulation and attempt at wishful thinking!

2. “Tariffs are still going up.” Look how petty and stupid you are now trying to convey the idea “energy prices will rise”, trying to sell everyone the idea - “the consumer will still pay more.”

Let me explain - the price of GAS is not rising as you would like (yes now there is a slight seasonal price increase), but falling. The price for the transportation service is raised by the service provider. But he is not alone, there are others who do not raise. In your opinion, if there is 100% inflation in the country, gas before inflation cost $100, after inflation $100, but in local currency the consumer pays 2 times more for gas - does this indicate an increase in energy prices!? Smiley))))

3. You don’t quote articles, you copy-paste the headlines without even reading the article and without trying (or being unable) to understand the meaning and essence! Smiley I provide energy price charts from public platforms that anyone can check. Don't know how to use the Internet? Ok, here are the links! Smiley

https://ycharts.com/indicators/europe_natural_gas_price
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

4. About laughter - I laugh at your stupidity. But even here you are trying to disgustingly manipulate, replacing laughter at your wretchedness, the tragedy that was caused in Ukraine in 2014 by RUSSIA, a terrorist country.

But let’s return to the topic of fuel prices, according to the quite reasonable request of the respected author of the topic !

OPEC+ once again tried to somehow solve the issue of cutting production, with an absolutely clear goal - to reduce supplies by increasing the price. Read about the market reaction:
“Oil is falling amid doubts that OPEC+ will further reduce production.
HOUSTON, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Oil prices fell on Monday on concerns about falling demand and ongoing uncertainty about the depth and duration of OPEC+ supply cuts.
Brent crude futures fell 85 cents, or 1.08%, to $78.03 a barrel. U.S. West Texas Intermediate crude futures closed down $1.03, or 1.39%, to $73.04.
Monday's drop adds to a 2% decline last week following supply cuts announced Thursday by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and its allies including Russia, collectively known as OPEC+.
I’m providing a link, since you’re not very good at searching the Internet Smiley
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/oil-climbs-mideast-tension-back-focus-2023-12-04/

But the problem is that the OPEC+ reduction in production volume does not guarantee an increase in prices, although there is guaranteed to be a decrease in the income of OPEC+ participants Smiley
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December 04, 2023, 01:01:25 PM
#61
Read your posts in other threads, about the unacceptable rise in gas prices and other nonsense, where you even cited some photos from the fence Smiley.
Let's start from the beginning. This topic, opened by respected pooya87, concerns the issue of hydrocarbons ... And then you suddenly "jump" from the topic, where as always you shit yourself, and instead of gas you cite information not about the EU, but about one country, where POSSIBLY, in the FUTURE year, will raise ... the cost of electricity Smiley
Yeah, says the person who is derailing all threads he participates in and posts his useless crap about "how bad Russia is doing" no matter what the subject is. You always refuse to acknowledge evidence. You never mention sources. A typical troll.

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And you, in the above article, just read the headline, but did not read the article itself, as always Smiley
And the article says that if you don't like the tariffs of this provider... choose another one Smiley
What difference does it make if all tariffs are going up? You will end up paying more. 30 or 40% more but you will pay more than last year.

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That should have been the end of it, but I will add: you cited a great article about the EU, except that you forgot to mention that the article talks about, and clearly states that this was happening.... early 2023 Smiley Accidentally forgot to note ? It's now the end of 2023, and you can find charts of EU prices at the current time. I have cited from several times for a reason, where indeed from spring 2022 to the first half of 2023, prices were high, for reasons known to all, and then.... the graphs go down.
At least I'm citing some articles, unlike you! When was last time you provided a source for your information? Mostly made-up "facts" with no sources and zero credibility. 

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Bottom line: all your pathetic and primitive attempts to manipulate the data are easily verifiable, and cause nothing but laughter Smiley
Well that's really cool. You're having good time, laughing while your compatriots are dying in Donbas? Great success! BTW, when are you planning to join them, huh?
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December 04, 2023, 11:45:26 AM
#60
That's not a good comparison for many reasons.
For starters those were old and weak SCUD missiles with short range that were modified to barely go far enough to reach the occupied lands but today were are talking about advanced long range ballistic and cruise missiles that are designed to hit targets with pinpoint accuracy with a 2000+ range. Some even reach hypersonic speed, something that is impossible to defend against.

More importantly Saddam didn't even want to hit Israel. In fact many of the Iraqi officials after Saddam's demise stated that Saddam had talked with Israel about this attack and planned it together!
Not to mention that these missiles didn't have a warhead to even cause any actual damage. In other words this was a big fakeout. In fact if you check out the reported casualties, the handful died of suffocation after they wore gas masks wrong out of panic!!! which had nothing to do with missiles Saddam launched most of which landed in the desert.

His plan wasn't to cause chaos, his plan was to change the Arab population opinion when US was attacking Iraq with the help of Arabs. He was trying to pretend that he is still the "leader of Arab world" and of course he wanted to pretend that he supports the Palestinian cause.

If the author of the topic writes about rockets, then my answer will be correct too Smiley

Why do you tell such fairy tales? Here are the real facts:

During the 1991 Gulf War, the Iraqis fired modified R-17s at the territories of Israel (43 launches, 40 successful), Saudi Arabia (48 launches, 44 successful), Qatar (1 launch) and Bahrain (1 launch).
A total of 93 missiles were launched, 5 missiles went off trajectory during launch initiation and 2 during flight.

Scud missile fire caused great destruction in Israel and Saudi Arabia. In Israel, 11727 square meters of various buildings were destroyed. In Saudi Arabia, the destruction reached 17865 square meters.

I will tell you secrets - in Ukraine, "ancient" Petriot complexes, very qualitatively and effectively shoot down not Scud, but quite well, according to Russian statements, of course, "having no analogues", missiles Kalibr, Kinzhal, modified C300 (ground-to-ground). This is despite the fact that they are "hypersonic, can't be shot down by anything, and in general are not available for shooting down". This is understandable, according to Russia's fantasies Smiley

But back to energy carriers, I'll be 100% on topic Smiley
For the "take-off" of energy prices, it is necessary to fulfill one of 2 conditions :
1. growth of demand for energy carriers
2. a sharp reduction in supply on the market

Therefore, expectations are possible only in the presence of one (or two) of these factors. As of today, the market has:
1. Decline in demand (subsidence of the Chinese economy)
2. Not significant decrease in production (compensated by the decline in demand)

News feeds confirm the decline in oil prices: Oil prices continue to fall despite OPEC+ restrictions. It is noted that the cost of February futures for Brent crude oil on the London exchange ICE Futures is 78.26 dollars per barrel, which is 0.62 dollars (0.79%) lower than at the close of the previous session. On Friday, December 1, the price of contracts fell by $1.98 (2.5%) to $78.88 per barrel.

Also, WTI crude futures for January on the electronic trading of the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) fell by $0.51 (0.69%), to $ 73.56 per barrel.

Both Brent and WTI lost about 2% in price last week.

According to Craig Erlam, chief analyst at OANDA, traders either do not believe that OPEC+ countries will stick to the agreed terms or do not consider the production cuts sufficient.

It is added that other experts also see signals of a split within the alliance, which could affect its ability to achieve its target, let alone further production cuts.
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December 04, 2023, 06:02:24 AM
#59
In Russian folklore, there's a saying - "who cares about what, but the louse about the bath" Smiley So you - everyone will freeze, there will be no help for Ukraine, blah blah blah Smiley Such squeals have been heard since 2022, when the "great and invincible army of russia", made a terrorist large-scale attack on Ukraine, hoping that no one will help it. Now the Kremlin Fuhrer is whining from his bunker - stop helping Ukraine !  Grin

But let's put aside the morbid complexes of pro-Russian agitators and get back to the topic Smiley

Let's start with general educational questions. The price of gas transportation is not a synonym for "gas price". It is a service provided by private companies to deliver gas. And in the EU it can't just be raised. That is why the author of the post did not provide links to real facts Smiley
Secondly, transportation of gas by private companies has no impact on financial and technical assistance to the country affected by Russian terrorism. For example Germany (they probably don't know yet that gas transportation will become more expensive  Grin ) in the next year's budget will include additional (in relation to 2023) 4 billion euros for military aid to Ukraine. Unexpected, isn't it ? Smiley
I think it's mainly strong because Europe is not stupid enough to just trust some madmen like Russia for all their needs, they will of course buy from them if offered cheaply and when Russia stays calm, but when they go mad, they know what they could do and how to fix it, hell they were ready in an INSTANT to put out their wood stock to heat up the whole continent if they had to, and that shows how much they were ready for a case like this, they probably assumed Russia would go mad one day and they got some other method ready just in case.

So yeah, you are right that energy will not get too worse, plus I remember there were some nuclear factories too right? In France I think, was it? Not sure if those stay exist, but that should be more than enough.
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December 02, 2023, 10:12:37 AM
#58
In several countries that import energy from countries/regions directly affected by war, it is possible that energy prices will increase due to delays in shipping cargo from sea routes. This delay in energy delivery will probably create a domino effect which will increase prices for many products and transportation that use energy.
Maybe the short-term solution for countries affected by this will be to release their oil and gas reserves to reduce prices, but this is not a long-term solution. Moreover, if the war drags on, there will be high inflation which will put many countries' economies at risk.
So the best solution to all of this is just peace in the region, because nothing will be achieved from war, there will only be destruction and sadness everywhere.

The main reason is war so whenever war continues between two countries then both countries stop the process of export or import and also other countries faces troubles because sometime these countries act as a way through which energy is transfer among countries. So all countries are facing difficulties and the percentage of energy resources become limited therefore less the energy sources more will be its price.

War can destroy the happiness of individuals and also it is the reason behind bad economy of a country as a consequence of which inflation increases day by day. Those countries where war take place takes years to recover back to original position because war destroy everything from materials to individual's life.
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November 30, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
#57
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Well "Mr. 100% truth", let's continue Smiley

Read your posts in other threads, about the unacceptable rise in gas prices and other nonsense, where you even cited some photos from the fence Smiley.
Let's start from the beginning. This topic, opened by respected pooya87, concerns the issue of hydrocarbons ... And then you suddenly "jump" from the topic, where as always you shit yourself, and instead of gas you cite information not about the EU, but about one country, where POSSIBLY, in the FUTURE year, will raise ... the cost of electricity Smiley

Did you write that, or ? Smiley
Yes, definitely so. Recently, several gas distribution companies in EU announced that gas distribution prices and/or gas prices are going up 30-35% starting from next year. Which means more pain for common EU folks. Which in turn means less support for Ukraine. Poland and Slovakia have already turned their backs on Ukraine. Governments are taking billions in loans to sponsor Ukraine war. They ran out of money and are now cowardly trying to push all expenses on their people.  Cool

And you, in the above article, just read the headline, but did not read the article itself, as always Smiley
And the article says that if you don't like the tariffs of this provider... choose another one Smiley

"One way customers can prepare for higher costs is to scrutinize their paperwork from energy suppliers and see if there is an offer on the market that better suits their needs. We first recommend finding out what price will apply to the customer after the price ceiling ends , i.e. from 1.1. 2024 ."

That should have been the end of it, but I will add: you cited a great article about the EU, except that you forgot to mention that the article talks about, and clearly states that this was happening.... early 2023 Smiley Accidentally forgot to note ? It's now the end of 2023, and you can find charts of EU prices at the current time. I have cited from several times for a reason, where indeed from spring 2022 to the first half of 2023, prices were high, for reasons known to all, and then.... the graphs go down.

Bottom line: all your pathetic and primitive attempts to manipulate the data are easily verifiable, and cause nothing but laughter Smiley

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November 30, 2023, 12:34:31 PM
#56
In Russian folklore, there's a saying - "who cares about what, but the louse about the bath" Smiley So you - everyone will freeze, there will be no help for Ukraine, blah blah blah Smiley Such squeals have been heard since 2022, when the "great and invincible army of russia", made a terrorist large-scale attack on Ukraine, hoping that no one will help it. Now the Kremlin Fuhrer is whining from his bunker - stop helping Ukraine !  Grin

You're very good at lying! I never said that someone is going to freeze, certainly not. We're just going to pay a lot more that's it. Alive and poor. War tax. No EU citizen has ever given his/her permission to help Ukraine. EU (de-facto US sockpuppet) governments did that.  

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Let's start with general educational questions. The price of gas transportation is not a synonym for "gas price". It is a service provided by private companies to deliver gas. And in the EU it can't just be raised. That is why the author of the post did not provide links to real facts Smiley

https://www.kurzy.cz/zpravy/749707-eru-planuje-zvysit-regulovane-ceny-za-distribuci-energie-az-o-70--jak-se-na-zmenu-pripravit/

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ERO plans to increase regulated prices for energy distribution by up to 70%.

https://bnn-news.com/gaso-plans-to-increase-natural-gas-distribution-service-tariffs-in-latvia-next-year-251838

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Latvian natural gas distribution system operator Gaso has submitted to the Public Utilities Commission (SPRK) its new natural gas distribution service tariff plan, which provides for the increase of the variable and fixed part of tariffs starting with the 1st of January 2024, according to the entry in the Latvian Herald.

Unlike you, I always provide valid sources.

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And about energy prices.  Very briefly - oil is not growing, and there are no objective reasons. Gas is stable and is at the level until 2022. Oil is also showing a good chart.

Really?

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In the first half of 2023, average household electricity prices in the EU continued to show an increase compared with the same period in 2022, from €25.3 per 100 kWh to €28.9 per 100 kWh. Average gas prices also increased compared with the same period in 2022, from €8.6 per 100 kWh to €11.9 per 100 kWh in the first half of 2023. These prices are the highest recorded by Eurostat.

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Data also show that household electricity prices increased in 22 EU countries in the first half of 2023 compared with the first half of 2022. In national currency, the largest increase (+953%) was reported in the Netherlands. This increase is related to several factors: tax relief measures from 2022 were not continued in 2023 and at the same time, energy taxes on electricity doubled for households. A price cap will be incorporated and this will lower the prices at all levels quite significantly in 2023. Large increases in national currency were also registered in Lithuania (+88%), Romania (+77%) and Latvia (+74%).

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20231026-1

Yes, just ~1000% growth, no big deal! Great success! Gimme money, gimme tanks, gimme gimme gimme, but you realize these things are not free and you'll have to pay back? Not Mr. Zelensky, no, it's YOU will have to pay. Grin

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But let's put aside the morbid complexes of pro-Russian agitators and get back to the topic
Do you even know what this topic is about?

Let me help you one more time. This topic is about the conflict in West Asia and possibility of it entering specifically the Red Sea which could affect the energy trade routes
It has nothing to do with Russia, current oil/gas prices in Europe, German budget, etc.

As I've already explained in previous posts (which I know you haven't bothered reading any) the chances of this possibility has gone down as time passed. At this point we don't have any reason to speculate a spike because of the events analyzed in this topic because the Armed Forces of Yemen are only seizing any ships that belongs to the terrorist organization Israel. And nobody has the capability to do anything about it hence there won't be any expansion of the conflict.
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Yes, definitely so. Recently, several gas distribution companies in EU announced that gas distribution prices and/or gas prices are going up 30-35% starting from next year. Which means more pain for common EU folks. Which in turn means less support for Ukraine. Poland and Slovakia have already turned their backs on Ukraine. Governments are taking billions in loans to sponsor Ukraine war. They ran out of money and are now cowardly trying to push all expenses on their people.  Cool

In Russian folklore, there's a saying - "who cares about what, but the louse about the bath" Smiley So you - everyone will freeze, there will be no help for Ukraine, blah blah blah Smiley Such squeals have been heard since 2022, when the "great and invincible army of russia", made a terrorist large-scale attack on Ukraine, hoping that no one will help it. Now the Kremlin Fuhrer is whining from his bunker - stop helping Ukraine !  Grin

But let's put aside the morbid complexes of pro-Russian agitators and get back to the topic Smiley

Let's start with general educational questions. The price of gas transportation is not a synonym for "gas price". It is a service provided by private companies to deliver gas. And in the EU it can't just be raised. That is why the author of the post did not provide links to real facts Smiley
Secondly, transportation of gas by private companies has no impact on financial and technical assistance to the country affected by Russian terrorism. For example Germany (they probably don't know yet that gas transportation will become more expensive  Grin ) in the next year's budget will include additional (in relation to 2023) 4 billion euros for military aid to Ukraine. Unexpected, isn't it ? Smiley

And about energy prices.  Very briefly - oil is not growing, and there are no objective reasons. Gas is stable and is at the level until 2022. Oil is also showing a good chart.







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One of the report that I read about Oil trade routes adds up more sense to the ongoing discussion. According to the previous report it takes about 5-6 days to provide the Oil to European region. However after the war broke out the same Timeline has shifted to 30 days long journey to send out oil.
Thanks for the additional info about the rest of the routes. I should add that a problem that is usually neglected about the added time is that it also adds to the costs. A shipment that takes 30 days costs a lot in terms of transport fees, the insurance, etc. Not to mention that some of these routes are risky specially in certain regions close to Africa with the maritime piracy and all that.

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Russia's oil exports to Türkiye stood at 94,335 barrels per day in February 2022 and reached their highest level in September 2022 at 392,908 barrels per day, although imports dropped to 145,973 barrels per day in March 2023.

With Türkiye’s abundant refining capacity, which is very diesel-focused, the country has been importing Russian diesel for domestic consumption and exporting Turkish diesel to Europe, a move that Katona described as "technically legal and actually very smart."
This is one of the reasons why sanctions on Russia has been mostly a joke and it hurt Europe more than it hurt Russia. They all had to go through third parties to keep their economic relations with Russia. For example if I'm not mistaken it was either Armenia or Georgia that set a record in vehicle imports from Europe right after EU sanctioned Russia! Obviously the European car manufacturers were desperately trying to hang on to the Russian market even at the cost of adding the overhead of these proxies.

It's the same with energy, a lot of it went through proxies like Turkey and things like gas turned into LNG which is more expensive than before. And of course as the article also pointed out the "big shuffle" took place too where the customers and sources of energy changed creating even more overhead.

Yes, definitely so. Recently, several gas distribution companies in EU announced that gas distribution prices and/or gas prices are going up 30-35% starting from next year. Which means more pain for common EU folks. Which in turn means less support for Ukraine. Poland and Slovakia have already turned their backs on Ukraine. Governments are taking billions in loans to sponsor Ukraine war. They ran out of money and are now cowardly trying to push all expenses on their people.  Cool
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The missile launch from Yemen is surprising but not the threat it could be if defenses were not already prepared for such a thing,
There is no defense that can prevent a ballistic, cruise or drone strike conducted by an advanced military like Yemen (read Iranian technologies) from successfully reaching their targets. Proof of it is in the US-Arab coalition invasion of Yemen where after Iranian support began the Yemenis defenders could easily hit heavily defended Saudi, Emirati and even US bases in a 2000 radius and no amount of defense could stop it.

Of course that doesn't mean the air defenses can not should any of it down specially when they use smaller, slower and cheaper projectiles with small quantities instead of the heavier, faster and more expensive ones. For example in all their attacks against Eilat some of the projectiles were shot down and some went through hitting their targets.

I can remember Saddam launching scud missiles at Israel many years ago in a desperate attempt to cause chaos.
That's not a good comparison for many reasons.
For starters those were old and weak SCUD missiles with short range that were modified to barely go far enough to reach the occupied lands but today were are talking about advanced long range ballistic and cruise missiles that are designed to hit targets with pinpoint accuracy with a 2000+ range. Some even reach hypersonic speed, something that is impossible to defend against.

More importantly Saddam didn't even want to hit Israel. In fact many of the Iraqi officials after Saddam's demise stated that Saddam had talked with Israel about this attack and planned it together!
Not to mention that these missiles didn't have a warhead to even cause any actual damage. In other words this was a big fakeout. In fact if you check out the reported casualties, the handful died of suffocation after they wore gas masks wrong out of panic!!! which had nothing to do with missiles Saddam launched most of which landed in the desert.

His plan wasn't to cause chaos, his plan was to change the Arab population opinion when US was attacking Iraq with the help of Arabs. He was trying to pretend that he is still the "leader of Arab world" and of course he wanted to pretend that he supports the Palestinian cause.
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November 28, 2023, 05:52:59 PM
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The main reason I would suspect for energy prices rising is that USA has expended its reserves for quite a long time and cannot continue to do so forever.  If that supply is no longer there and there is any constriction elsewhere with demand continuing to rise post covid it would be enough to bring prices up.  The middle east effect as mentioned has not yet appeared in the sharp way its done so previously and I would not guess on that expansion of the troubles as its unfortunately not a new scenario despite the many deaths.  The missile launch from Yemen is surprising but not the threat it could be if defenses were not already prepared for such a thing, I can remember Saddam launching scud missiles at Israel many years ago in a desperate attempt to cause chaos.
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I don’t think that energy prices in the world will increase significantly in the near future.

Now Russia is under enormous pressure from China due to the fact that Russia has lost a huge European market for its energy resources and wants to increase their supplies to China fivefold. Taking advantage of this, China demanded new gas discounts from Russia and no longer wants to build the joint mega-project of the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline. But if the pipeline is not built, Russia will have nowhere to send huge volumes of gas.

Russia's budget for next year provides that the average gas price will be $297.3 per thousand cubic meters versus $501.6 for Europe and Turkey previously. The discount for China in 2024 will increase to 46%: gas from Power of Siberia-1 will cost $271.6 per thousand cubic meters, and for Turkey and Europe - $481.7. It is unlikely that such cheap gas and in large quantities will contribute to an increase in its world price.

In fact, gas should not rise in price due to the losses that Russia incurs, selling it to the East very cheaply in a hopeless situation.
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https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/world-life/_putin-v-tupike-kitaj-davit-na-rossiyu/1165829
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A quick update on some stuff that happened over the past 20 days. Specially about the following part since the chances of it happening has just increased today:

The other thing to consider is the possibility of Yemenis attacks expanding to include more legitimate targets in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Both oil rich countries and both legitimate targets because their coalition with US has invaded Yemen and it would only be retaliation according to international laws. Also legitimate targets because they both are helping the terrorist organization commit genocide in Palestine (eg. UAE fighter jets are reported to be participating in bombing Gaza in the past days).
That can translate into much more than just oil price rising, there will be oil shortage.
Saudi and Emirati help which was somewhat speculation and weak proofs, is now a solid fact since their air defense and air force has already shot down multiple projectiles coming from Yemen that were targeting the terrorist positions.

Additionally we have officials in Yemen reporting that Saudi-US coalition has activated their proxies inside their soil (that mostly consists of ISIS terrorist cells) to distract them from their targets in occupied Palestine. This is also a clear break of the cease fire between Yemen and US-Arab coalition which could re-start the war as I explained in the quote above.
Armed forces of Yemen have already shot down a $32 million US aircraft, attacked 2 US Navy destroyers and damaged one at least, seized at least 1 Israeli ships in Red Sea and attacked another in the Indian Ocean.

Now this is the part that made me update this topic. According to the Guardian, US regime is contemplating an attack on Yemeni positions.
There are also reports that the US is willing to launch an attack on Houthi military sites in and around Yemen’s capital, Sana’a, as well as its port operations room, unless the ship seized on Sunday, the Galaxy Leader, is released.
This is a significant development in our speculation in this topic. If this actually happens, one of the targets apart from US military positions and warships is going to be the Saudi Aramco. But this time it won't be a controlled attack to "reduce" its production by 50%, it could be a total destruction of the entire Aramco facility. That is a whopping 9 million barrels per day going up in smokes. That's about a third of OPEC total production...


My speculation:
The data we have from the statements like the one in the Guardian is pointing to more escalation and Aramco being blown up. However, if we get realistic I don't think this is going to happen. I'd say this is a bluff made only for the media. US regime is trying to keep the illusion of strength alive and say that despite the fact that US military is being attacked over a dozen times a day with heavy casualties, they still can respond!
The reason is simple and in two parts.
The obvious one is that if US enters any war at this scale, they'll lose everything elsewhere (meaning against Russia and against China) very quickly and very easily.
The less obvious one (unless if you are familiar with the true military strength US wants to face) is that if US regime actually attacks Yemen, the Yemenis respond is no longer two light and slow cruise missiles that were shot at USS Carney a month ago that damaged it a little and forced them to bring the destroyer to Djibouti port to be quickly fixed. Instead it will be more heavier supersonic cruise missiles that rip these warships apart. Maybe we could even see the 1.6 ton supersonic cruise missile Abu-Mahdi in action Wink and this is not something US military can ever face.
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One of the report that I read about Oil trade routes adds up more sense to the ongoing discussion. According to the previous report it takes about 5-6 days to provide the Oil to European region. However after the war broke out the same Timeline has shifted to 30 days long journey to send out oil.
Thanks for the additional info about the rest of the routes. I should add that a problem that is usually neglected about the added time is that it also adds to the costs. A shipment that takes 30 days costs a lot in terms of transport fees, the insurance, etc. Not to mention that some of these routes are risky specially in certain regions close to Africa with the maritime piracy and all that.

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Russia's oil exports to Türkiye stood at 94,335 barrels per day in February 2022 and reached their highest level in September 2022 at 392,908 barrels per day, although imports dropped to 145,973 barrels per day in March 2023.

With Türkiye’s abundant refining capacity, which is very diesel-focused, the country has been importing Russian diesel for domestic consumption and exporting Turkish diesel to Europe, a move that Katona described as "technically legal and actually very smart."
This is one of the reasons why sanctions on Russia has been mostly a joke and it hurt Europe more than it hurt Russia. They all had to go through third parties to keep their economic relations with Russia. For example if I'm not mistaken it was either Armenia or Georgia that set a record in vehicle imports from Europe right after EU sanctioned Russia! Obviously the European car manufacturers were desperately trying to hang on to the Russian market even at the cost of adding the overhead of these proxies.

It's the same with energy, a lot of it went through proxies like Turkey and things like gas turned into LNG which is more expensive than before. And of course as the article also pointed out the "big shuffle" took place too where the customers and sources of energy changed creating even more overhead.
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November 12, 2023, 05:11:58 AM
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This is not about one warfare BUT all the wars around the globe including Russian Ukraine rivalry too.

I think this is correct analysis. One of the report that I read about Oil trade routes adds up more sense to the ongoing discussion. According to the previous report it takes about 5-6 days to provide the Oil to European region. However after the war broke out the same Timeline has shifted to 30 days long journey to send out oil.
The major change is, new port location and suppliers too. One of the biggest emerging port for European is now African crude oil supplier through Nigeria and Angola hubs.
So whatever @pooya87 explained in their map can be expanded to even larger areas now. If you checkout the map displayed below then the routes can be understood in great amount of detail and see how they are taking longer than usual.
Obviously the after effects would be increased demand while the supply runs at slow speeds. 5x slower!!
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It's silly to deny that the logistics of supplying petroleum products have changed. But let's look at the problem a little wider to understand what really affects or can affect the price of oil on the market.
1. Before the terrorist country attacked Ukraine, supplies to the EU went through two ports: Ust-Luga and Primorsk.  Oil supplies from Russia and Kazakhstan through the ports of Primorsk and Ust-Luga will amount to an estimated 7.1 million tons in January 2023, which is the highest level since 2019. Such a forecast based on information from traders gives Reuters.
The publication writes that by the end of January, shipments of Russian Urals and Kazakh KEBCO (Kazakhstan Export Blend Crude Oil) from the Russian ports of Primorsk and Ust-Luga will increase by almost 50% compared to December 2022. According to Reuters, Russia shipped 4.7 million tons of Urals and KEBCO crude oil from Baltic ports in December. That is, we do not observe a special drop here.
However, the article you cited says that deliveries to the EU have stopped. Question - no dissonance ? I.e. supplies have stopped, but their volume has grown at the level of 2022 Smiley
To clarify: supplies... remained. The point is that the supply restrictions were for direct contracts with a terrorist country. But... the shadow fleet and "cunning" middlemen found a way out - they buy this oil at a big discount (Russia has to dispose of oil somewhere, as Russia has no modern infrastructure for storage or transfer of oil), then mix it with other grades of oil, and as a result they get "non-Russian oil", which is successfully sent to European refineries. A nuance that all sides do not like to mention Smiley The EU does not like the embargo being circumvented, but the EU likes the fact that they have oil, Russia keeps quiet because it gets at least some money and does not need to freeze the wells from which oil goes to Ust-Luga.
Primorsk is a rather large HUB for oil loading, but it was such until the AFU taught the Russian fleet to sail where it is not supposed to. Yes, the volume of shipments through this port has decreased.
2. And what do you get - Russian oil from 2 ports ruins the whole world oil market ?  Of course not ! Smiley The world market is formed by supply and demand on a global scale. For example, not so long ago the Chinese economy consumed a huge amount of oil, and influenced the formation of the price. Now China and its economy are going through bad hours, and as a consequence "Data from China, the world's largest importer of crude oil, has also raised doubts about demand prospects, Reuters adds.".
3. Supply. This is what several countries are now trying to manipulate by cutting oil production. But as we can see, they have been cutting oil production for a long time, but the market is not reacting the way they wanted: "Oil prices fall to 3-month lows...". And then there's a problem that was there in the '70s. Production was cut, the price dropped, and... the supplying countries started to miss out on huge sums of money. So they started dumping more cheap oil to make up for the lost profits. Which we're likely to see in the near future as well.
4. Market sabotage and economic terrorism. There is also such a way to influence the oil market. This is the card that someone is trying to play in the Middle East, trying to draw the main oil-producing region into the flames of a major war, which will disrupt the production and supply of oil from the region to the world market.
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This is not about one warfare BUT all the wars around the globe including Russian Ukraine rivalry too.

I think this is correct analysis. One of the report that I read about Oil trade routes adds up more sense to the ongoing discussion. According to the previous report it takes about 5-6 days to provide the Oil to European region. However after the war broke out the same Timeline has shifted to 30 days long journey to send out oil.

The major change is, new port location and suppliers too. One of the biggest emerging port for European is now African crude oil supplier through Nigeria and Angola hubs.

So whatever @pooya87 explained in their map can be expanded to even larger areas now. If you checkout the map displayed below then the routes can be understood in great amount of detail and see how they are taking longer than usual.

Obviously the after effects would be increased demand while the supply runs at slow speeds. 5x slower!!



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Oil trade routes are now at least five times longer than they were prior to the Russia-Ukraine war, raising the prospect of increased emissions from longer shipping routes.

While Europe shifted away from Russian suppliers and toward those in West Africa, Latin America, and the US, Russia shifted 90% of its crude exports, which were originally destined for European markets, to those in India and China.

Before the war, the voyage of a Russian oil ship from the Baltic ports of Ust-Luga and Primorsk to European ports in the Netherlands, France, and Belgium took five to six days because Europe was Russia's main oil export destination.

However, after European sanctions on Russian crude supplies came into effect in December 2022, Russian oil exports to ports in northwest Europe ground to a halt.

"This means that Europe, which used to be supplied by Russia, needed to find oil elsewhere, and that elsewhere is pretty much a combination of West Africa, Latin America and the US. All of those (destinations) are much longer freight routes than from Russia's Baltic Sea to northwest Europe," Viktor Katona, the lead crude analyst of commodity data and analytics firm Kpler, told Anadolu.

"It was a five- or six-day journey, but today's average voyage from West Africa or Latin America to Europe is about 25 days, which is five times longer than it used to be."

Brazil's crude exports to Europe increased from 236,959 barrels per day in February 2022 to 325,116 barrels per day in March 2023, the highest among Latin American countries. According to Kpler data, Brazilian exports reached a record high of 491,000 barrels per day in February this year, more than doubling the volume in a year.

The average journey from Brazil to Europe takes between 20 and 30 days, depending on the destination in Europe, with Spain and Portugal being the nearest neighbors and Germany and the Netherlands being the farthest away.

Mexican exports to Europe remained relatively at the same levels after the war, while Guyana's exports to the continent reached 270,000 barrels a day from almost zero before the war.

Trinidad and Tobacco have seen a continuous crude flow to Europe in the last eight months.

The Netherlands holds one of the major oil centers in Rotterdam, while Italy, Portugal, Germany and France are the top destination countries for post-war Latin American crude volumes in Europe.

Nigeria and Angola emerge as largest West African crude suppliers to Europe

More crude supplies from West African countries are making the longer voyage of approximately 25 days to Europe, filling the void left by the absence of Russian crude.

"The US, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and all of West Africa are all trying to supply in areas where Russia was forced to vacate," said Jim Mitchell, an oil research manager of supply chain and commodities research at the London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG).

While Nigeria became the biggest supplier to Europe among West African countries, Angola increased crude exports the most. Angola's crude shipments to Europe showed a sustained rise since the beginning of the war, reaching over 300,000 barrels per day from an average of 33,000 barrels a day in February last year.

The Netherlands saw the biggest rise in crude flows from West African countries after the war.

Crude flows from the US to Europe increased significantly as the Netherlands, Italy, the United Kingdom, Finland, Lithuania, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Spain, and Canada increased their crude imports from the US.

The UK's crude imports from the US rose from an average of 289,192 barrels a day in February 2022 to over 400,000 barrels in post-war months, while the Netherlands' imports reached over 510,000 barrels per day in March 2023, almost doubling compared to a year earlier.

The majority of US crude loads from US Gulf ports to Europe take an average of 20 days.

Greatest difference in travel time is from Russia to India

Russia's oil exports are taking longer journeys as India and China have emerged as the country's top export destinations.

Russian exports to these countries begin in the Baltic ports of Ust-Luga and Primorsk, travel along the Baltic Sea, circumnavigate the Danish Islands, cross the British Straits, Gibraltar, Malta, Sicily, and the Suez Canal, and then continue through the Red Sea to India, which takes about 30-35 days, with the route to China taking 10 days longer.

However, Katona explained that not all crude grades take the slow 40–45-day delivery route because if ESPO blend crude shipments load from Russia's Far East, the journey to China takes only about five days due to its proximity to Chinese shores.

According to Kpler data, Russia's oil exports to India, including Ural, SBL, and ESPO, increased from zero in February 2022 to the highest level since the war in March 2023, at 1.99 million barrels per day.

"The amount of Russian crude going to India has been increasing for nine consecutive months. It is pretty much a bromance or love story between the two countries," Katona said.

Since the start of the war, Russia's crude exports to China have remained at an average of one million barrels per day, while Sri Lanka and Myanmar have emerged as significant export destinations for Russian crude, rising from marginal imports prior to the war.

Longer shipping routes are likely to raise emissions from shipping, an industry that accounts for 3% of global carbon emissions.

"The world trade has become significantly more polluting than it used to be before, that is an absolute fact. The biggest increase in terms of voyage times into Asia is Russia to India. So this is definitely increasing emissions from shipping compared to five days into Rotterdam. Likewise, US, West African and Latin American exports to Europe also mean more emissions," Katona said.

Shortest Russian supply route now Türkiye

Katona contended that Türkiye is the one country that is reducing overall shipping emissions for Russian crude and oil products, with a typical voyage from Russia’s only crude export terminal in Novorossiysk on the Black Sea coast to Türkiye lasting three to four days.

"It is the shortest Russian supply route right now," he said, noting that Türkiye has been importing significant quantities of Russian crude and oil products.

Russia's oil exports to Türkiye stood at 94,335 barrels per day in February 2022 and reached their highest level in September 2022 at 392,908 barrels per day, although imports dropped to 145,973 barrels per day in March 2023.

With Türkiye’s abundant refining capacity, which is very diesel-focused, the country has been importing Russian diesel for domestic consumption and exporting Turkish diesel to Europe, a move that Katona described as "technically legal and actually very smart."

Middle East still Asia's largest supplier

Middle East exports to Asia, according to Katona, may be the exception in terms of longer voyages, as producer countries appear to be focusing more on supplying Asia, the closest buyer of Middle East crude.

Despite the increase in Russian oil exports to China and India, Middle Eastern countries are still the biggest crude suppliers to the Asian region.

Saudi Arabia's crude exports to Asia stood at an average of 5.5 million barrels a day for the last 18 months, while the UAE's exports remain close to 3 million barrels a day, data shows.

Reference Article.
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By the way, are we going to freeze in Germany this winter?
You gotta ask the propaganda centers in Germany that started the "freeze" FUD.
By the way how is energy giant Uniper doing?
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November 12, 2023, 02:49:49 AM
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What's interesting is that oil price has not shown any significant reaction to the events of past couple of days.
Possibly because the routes have not yet been threatened by the presence of terrorists and their supporters. But we still need to wait and see what the next move is, this is only speculation for now.

Let me know what you predict.
What's interesting is that oil prices have fallen down, slightly, but have fallen down.
November 1st, the time when you created this thread, Brent Crude Oil price was $84.63
November 10 - Brent Crude Oil worth $81.70.


Crude Oil WTI, November 1st - $80.44
Cure Oil WTI, November 10 - $77.35

By the way, are we going to freeze in Germany this winter?

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So the best solution to all of this is just peace in the region, because nothing will be achieved from war, there will only be destruction and sadness everywhere.
The only solution is to end the occupation, not just occupation of Palestine but other places too like Syria, Iraq, etc. That is the only way to reach peace and global energy price stability.
In any case, speaking of prices if you look at the yearly charts there has been a huge volatility over the past two years. For example this year we had the price start climbing from $72 in June up to $94 in September.
There are a ton of strategic reserves being released to bring it down. For example US is currently sitting at its lowest levels of reserves because of all the oil they've been desperately releasing to keep the price down.
This has been somewhat successful too since after hitting $94 the price started coming down and is currently sitting at $82 (these are Brent Crude prices).

If I wanted to update the situation on the title question I'd say the chance of a price shoot up has gone down (which is a good news as I pointed out previously) but things haven't gone back to normal yet and chance is not zero specially since Yemen recently shot down the $32 million US aircraft and another one had a "mishap" close to Lebanon (shot down?).
Additionally I also don't see this volatility ending any time soon, we may continue seeing swings down to $70 and back up to $100 and that is also terrible for the economy.

I wonder why the ICC is silent? The world is waiting for the arrest warrant for the international war criminal Netanyahu (crimes confirmed by the UN)... 
Because the world is "rigged" in favor of US regime and its proxies. Organizations such as UN only carry the name "international" but in reality they are American organizations. For example ever since Obama it has been general knowledge that UN is ordered to only fulfill US interests.

Besides, the crimes against humanity committed by US and its proxies are not new. There are dozens of UN resolutions against Israel and they never gave a shit about any of them. There are 0 sanctions against this terrorist organization and any resolution reaching the UN security council is vetoed by US!

P.S. Future of Netanyahu is going to be very funny IMO. I don't think he will ever see an international court, there is a good chance he will be executed by the Israelis themselves. These past days Tel-Aviv is seeing mass protests again, even more so after the news about 50+ Israeli prisoners having been killed because of Israel bombing of Gaza.
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November 11, 2023, 06:15:01 PM
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That is, do you consider the strikes of the Israeli Defense Forces against the international terrorist organization Hamas... terrorism?
Of course the Israeli terrorists have to call their civilian victims terrorists. ISIS use to call the civilians they killed terrorists too.

But in the real world according to the international law, people of the invaded country can use force to repel the invaders. Exactly like what people of Ukraine are doing these days. Ukrainian people are using force against the invading Russians, just like Palestinians are using force against the invading Zionists.
That is unless you are calling Ukrainian people terrorists too?!

Careful there, for God's sake! You can make the poor troll's brain explode trying to find the way out of this situation.  Grin

No no - I'm not surprised by your statements! I would be surprised if you said otherwise
I'm not surprised that a Zionist is supporting the Zionist apartheid regime either Wink

The bottom line is that the UAE did not take the side of Hamas and its puppet masters, and will not play to reduce oil production.
UAE as a member of OPEC has already reduced production. Like others, at this point none of them plan to reduce production and this has nothing to do with the genocide that is happening in Palestine.

It is now profitable for the UAE to sell expensive oil for a completely stable and liquid dollar, but not for rupees, yuan, or, worse, rubles.
LOL
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/the-first-china-uae-gas-deal-in-yuan-a-new-blow-to-dollar-dominance

Qatar has signed an almost 30-year contract for gas supplies to the EU. Qatar also chose normal, stable buyers,
LOL
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/06/china-signs-major-lng-deal-qatar-beijings-gulf-push-continues

Yeah, great facts with valid sources which prove this pathetic bozo DrBeer is claiming just the opposite of truth.
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November 11, 2023, 11:13:54 AM
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In several countries that import energy from countries/regions directly affected by war, it is possible that energy prices will increase due to delays in shipping cargo from sea routes. This delay in energy delivery will probably create a domino effect which will increase prices for many products and transportation that use energy.
Maybe the short-term solution for countries affected by this will be to release their oil and gas reserves to reduce prices, but this is not a long-term solution. Moreover, if the war drags on, there will be high inflation which will put many countries' economies at risk.
So the best solution to all of this is just peace in the region, because nothing will be achieved from war, there will only be destruction and sadness everywhere.
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The big bang expected for oil prices this year is turning into a whimper.
Just a few weeks ago, Brent crude was on the verge of finally justifying industry forecasts of a return to the $100 a barrel level as record demand for the fuel and Saudi Arabia's supply cuts depleted global oil inventories. An outbreak of conflict in the Middle East shortly afterward increased the risk of a price spike.
But the benchmark fell to a three-month low below $80 a barrel on Wednesday. Supply concerns are giving way to doubts about falling refinery profits in China and Europe, weak physical cargo trade and an uncertain U.S. economic outlook.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/oil-s-big-bang-turning-to-whimper-as-economic-outlook-darkens
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Then there's the reality that the Bab al-Mandab Strait is a crucial chokepoint in both trade and energy, right? Because it will have an impact on our global economy.
That's right. It is also interesting to know that China's first overseas military base is in Djibouti which is the other side of Bab al-Mandab from Yemen. That is another indication of the importance of this chokepoint for the international trade.
It is also interesting to know that this is one of the reasons why China started the One Road One Belt initiative to eliminate the need for all these "sea routes".
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According to my knowledge, Yemen is currently in an uncertain condition due to a civil war. The Houthis may seize control of the Bab al-Mandab Strait. And when this happens, there may be a jump in the price of electricity and other items.

Then there's the reality that the Bab al-Mandab Strait is a crucial chokepoint in both trade and energy, right? Because it will have an impact on our global economy.
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I think the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah are the spark for a full scale war in the region, with Iran following them when it happens and that will destabilize the whole middle east. Hezbollah is far more powerful than Hamas, so Israel will call in help from the US and that will escalate into a much bigger conflict.
What you are trying to explain, this is still a matter of pros and cons. This is a complex and decades-long conflict that involves various elements, including territorial, historical, religious and political issues.
The involvement of Lebanese militants, Hezbollah and other Arab countries is a form of solidarity as Arabs with Palestine, which has long been colonized by the Zionist Israel. Israel is an occupying country that is trying to annex the entire territory of Palestine, so that some Palestinians are forced to become refugees and live in various countries and refugee camps, while some other people are reduced in the largest prison in the world, the open prison in the Gaza Strip and all their access is closed and their lives are deprived by Israeli Zionists. And I think it is the western countries that turn a blind eye to this incident, including the United States, which is said to be a country that upholds human rights. But why did the US turn a blind eye to the victims of the war that took place in Palestine and to the deprivation of the right to live freely as a Palestinian people.

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The market will react because of the fear of a worst-case scenario, where a conflict in Israel magnifies throughout the region and affects global oil trade. A ripple in the pond ..always cause waves throughout the global markets and it just increase as the conflict escalate.

Iran asserts control over the passage of tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, a trading route that facilitates the transport of about 15% of global oil supply.  Roll Eyes

Trade routes will certainly be hampered and cause energy prices to soar, so that the global economy and trade will be hampered and slowed down.
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November 07, 2023, 03:35:56 AM
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so Israel will call in help from the US and that will escalate into a much bigger conflict.
Ever since the first week it has been US that is fighting Palestinians with their aircraft, ships and soldiers on the ground. In fact over the past 2 weeks the Palestinian freedom fighters have caught at least a dozen US marines as poisoners of war.

Iran asserts control over the passage of tankers through the Strait of Hormuz
It's not just the Strait of Hormuz. Iran-backed Houthis control vast swathes of Yeman, and they can block the oil transport through Red Sea, if they want.
It is not in Iran's doctrine to shut down any trade routes, nor is it in its allies doctrine. However, the actions of United States regime will have consequences one of which is these chokepoints being shut down.

That means if US regime decides to declare war on Iran they would put Iran in a position to have no choice but to respond to the aggression. In such a response, US navy is one of the legitimate targets and when an aircraft carrier group sinks in shallow waters of Persian Gulf, Suez Canal, Strait of Bab al-Mandab, Strait of Gibraltar or Panama Canal it makes maritime travel in those regions impossible.

We saw a small version of how it looks in the 80's when maritime transfer got shut down for a little while after US decided to declare war on Iran and Iran had no choice but to respond. On 14 April 1988 when Iran sank the USS Samuel B. Roberts in response to US aggression against Iranian soil, it took US military days to try and salvage the frigate and it finally took a 29000-ton heavy lift ship, a "monster" called Mighty Servant and $1.3 million to carry it to the repair port (~$90 million in total for repairs to make her seaworthy again).
That was just a small hole in the frigate's hull back when Iran had nothing and was fighting with repurposed fishing boats and shoulder launched RPGs that did nothing to a destroyer. In 2023 such response would be with heavy and large number of cruise and ballistic missiles, loitering munitions, fastest torpedoes on earth and stealth submarines which would leave nothing to be salvaged Wink
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Iran asserts control over the passage of tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, a trading route that facilitates the transport of about 15% of global oil supply.  Roll Eyes

It's not just the Strait of Hormuz. Iran-backed Houthis control vast swathes of Yeman, and they can block the oil transport through Red Sea, if they want. That would mean that the entire crude oil production in GCC region is taken offline. As of now, the net production of crude for each GCC nation is as follows (barrels/day):

Saudi Arabia - 9,060,000
Iraq - 4,340,000
United Arab Emirates - 3,250,000
Kuwait - 2,590,000
Qatar - 1,320,000
Oman - 1,100,000
Bahrain - 180,000

As you can see, these nations amount for close to 25% of the global supply of crude.
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I think the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah are the spark for a full scale war in the region, with Iran following them when it happens and that will destabilize the whole middle east. Hezbollah is far more powerful than Hamas, so Israel will call in help from the US and that will escalate into a much bigger conflict.

The market will react because of the fear of a worst-case scenario, where a conflict in Israel magnifies throughout the region and affects global oil trade. A ripple in the pond ..always cause waves throughout the global markets and it just increase as the conflict escalate.

Iran asserts control over the passage of tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, a trading route that facilitates the transport of about 15% of global oil supply.  Roll Eyes
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November 06, 2023, 11:42:56 PM
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That is, do you consider the strikes of the Israeli Defense Forces against the international terrorist organization Hamas... terrorism?
Of course the Israeli terrorists have to call their civilian victims terrorists. ISIS use to call the civilians they killed terrorists too.

But in the real world according to the international law, people of the invaded country can use force to repel the invaders. Exactly like what people of Ukraine are doing these days. Ukrainian people are using force against the invading Russians, just like Palestinians are using force against the invading Zionists.
That is unless you are calling Ukrainian people terrorists too?!

Besides, Israeli terrorists are not fighting the armed forces of Palestine. They are murdering women and children. So far they have killed over 10000 innocent civilians, 4104 of which were children.
Not to mention that the Israeli terrorist targets are specifically civilian targets including hospitals and any medical centers, schools, concentration camps, press buildings and reporters, international aid groups such as UNRWA (UN agencies), even water tanks!
Even the ammunition the Israeli terrorists use are categorized as war crimes such as the phosphorous bombs they regularly drop on civilian concentrations that "boils" them to death..

No no - I'm not surprised by your statements! I would be surprised if you said otherwise
I'm not surprised that a Zionist is supporting the Zionist apartheid regime either Wink

The bottom line is that the UAE did not take the side of Hamas and its puppet masters, and will not play to reduce oil production.
UAE as a member of OPEC has already reduced production. Like others, at this point none of them plan to reduce production and this has nothing to do with the genocide that is happening in Palestine.

It is now profitable for the UAE to sell expensive oil for a completely stable and liquid dollar, but not for rupees, yuan, or, worse, rubles.
LOL
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/the-first-china-uae-gas-deal-in-yuan-a-new-blow-to-dollar-dominance

Qatar has signed an almost 30-year contract for gas supplies to the EU. Qatar also chose normal, stable buyers,
LOL
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/06/china-signs-major-lng-deal-qatar-beijings-gulf-push-continues
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The UAE showed its civilized face and chose to side with Israel.
One of the good things in every conflict is that the weasels show their true faces. Although it was not a surprise to know all dictatorships like UAE stand with the terrorist organization but making it clear as day is good news. Of course this all makes the next step easier, which would be the consequences of supporting terrorism, sending fuel for the bombers of Gaza and arms to be used in ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

will be able to become an element of stabilization of the oil market. 
Sending fighter jets, bombs and fuel for tanks and aircraft used in bombing civilians is not going to have any effect on the global oil market whatsoever. If anything it could decrease the global supply (as part of the supply is now going to "fuel" war) and could destabilize the market even more.

That is, do you consider the strikes of the Israeli Defense Forces against the international terrorist organization Hamas... terrorism? Smiley No no - I'm not surprised by your statements! I would be surprised if you said otherwise Smiley But this is beyond the scope of the topic.
The bottom line is that the UAE did not take the side of Hamas and its puppet masters, and will not play to reduce oil production. It is now profitable for the UAE to sell expensive oil for a completely stable and liquid dollar, but not for rupees, yuan, or, worse, rubles. In this situation, the West will look for adequate suppliers, understanding where Hamas/Russia and others are going. And in general, there are fewer “those who like to destroy” in the Middle East - Qatar has signed an almost 30-year contract for gas supplies to the EU. Qatar also chose normal, stable buyers, and the EU chose an adequate, honest, predictable supplier. Therefore, it is most likely not worth expecting a long-term increase in oil/gas prices, because significant suppliers of the region are not interested in the development of the conflict and will not support it, choosing stability, business and mutually beneficial partnerships
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Algeria taking Palestine side will cause tension in that area as well which they will also barricade their fleet close the Gibraltar strait. since they are taking this war as religious war, Algeria is a Muslim dominated country and pretty sure they will be with Iran.

once they declare war, none will ever go through that route and those inside the Mediterranean sea are trapped. for now we might be seeing the gradual rise of energy prices and we can only be sure whether the gas prices will sky rocket or not when the war breaks already.
Just two corrections:
Algeria hasn't declared war yet, they just passed the law that opens the way for them to declare war if they feel needed.
Secondly what's happening in Palestine is crimes against humanity. It is not a religious war and it is not just against Muslims. For example the Israeli terrorists destroyed a church in Gaza that was over a thousand years old while slaughtering the Christians there. That's not to mention the Jews that Israel has slaughtered so far.
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Algeria taking Palestine side will cause tension in that area as well which they will also barricade their fleet close the Gibraltar strait. since they are taking this war as religious war, Algeria is a Muslim dominated country and pretty sure they will be with Iran.

once they declare war, none will ever go through that route and those inside the Mediterranean sea are trapped. for now we might be seeing the gradual rise of energy prices and we can only be sure whether the gas prices will sky rocket or not when the war breaks already.

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I'm not an expert in geopolitics, but my thinking is that a real war in that area can only happen if Iran intervenes. Although so far we have heard a lot of harsh words from Iran, for now it seems that everything will remain only on threats, and all the other incidents that you have already mentioned are only isolated incidents that cannot significantly disrupt traffic through the Suez Canal, and even less through gas pipelines or oil pipelines.

Since Russia attacked Ukraine, some things have changed significantly in the EU, which means that many alternative sources of oil and gas supply have been found, primarily from the US and Africa (Algeria, Nigeria) and increased production from Norway. The latest data indicate that EU gas storage facilities are about 99% full, and temperatures are still around 20 degrees Celsius (daily), and long-term forecasts point to a relatively warm winter.

In addition, progress is also being made in terms of using energy from renewable sources.


Thanks for your insightful analysis of the evolving geopolitical situation in the Middle East. I agree with your perspective that existing  threats are likely to persist  and Iran will not involve in this war. It is evident now that global economy is now held hostage by regional conflicts and their impact on oil prices is a major concern for the whole world. In order to safe world economy from recurring such unfortunate scenarios, a lasting solution would involve reducing reliance on fossil fuels and embracing renewable energy resources.
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The UAE showed its civilized face and chose to side with Israel.
One of the good things in every conflict is that the weasels show their true faces. Although it was not a surprise to know all dictatorships like UAE stand with the terrorist organization but making it clear as day is good news. Of course this all makes the next step easier, which would be the consequences of supporting terrorism, sending fuel for the bombers of Gaza and arms to be used in ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

will be able to become an element of stabilization of the oil market. 
Sending fighter jets, bombs and fuel for tanks and aircraft used in bombing civilians is not going to have any effect on the global oil market whatsoever. If anything it could decrease the global supply (as part of the supply is now going to "fuel" war) and could destabilize the market even more.
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I am also paying attention to the conflict issues in this area and am also sensing some changes in energy prices, but at the moment I only see a small impact on food prices, and fuel prices don't vary too much where I live.

Unlike the period between the conflict between Russia and Ukraine when fuel prices were more volatile, or perhaps in the near future we will also have to accept price increases of many different things when the conflict may arise spokes are wider.

Another question I have been discussing with others is whether WW3 is happening or about to start?

Because as far as I know, tense issues, especially in Asia, are becoming more and more complicated. Earlier this week, there were some statements from the president of North Korea about possible support for Hamas, or tough statements. with Japan.

And if the conflict really continues and widens further, energy prices will certainly increase a lot, hopefully this will not happen.
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The UAE showed its civilized face and chose to side with Israel. This means that one of the largest suppliers of oil to the world market will not play into the hands of supporters of destabilization of the energy market and will be able to become an element of stabilization of the oil market. 

UAE condemns Hamas attack on Israel and hostage-taking
The UAE's stance differs markedly from the comments of most other Arab countries in the region, which held Israel responsible.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-calls-hamas-attacks-israel-serious-grave-escalation-2023-10-08/
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I have understood from the isreali-palestinian war that  it is more from a religious point of view, or that's the way they reported it and want it to be. If care ain't taken, this could result in WW3 as speculated and by then I doubt anyone would be bothered about the prices of gas, rather, to survive the times and secure the trade routes from total destruction.

I believe that unlike what we experienced during the start of the Russia-Ukranian war, wherein gas prices skyrocketed due to trade routes being blocked or restricted, this Isreali war might soon be faced with such proposition of having to resort to alternative sources of energy inorder to survive. Sure the prices of energy will increase once other countries get involved and the war escalates further rather than dissipate with negotiations or agreement.
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after Friday this battle could be entirely different, from genocide of Palestinians halting abruptly all the way to US aircraft carriers sinking to the bottom of Mediterranean sea.
First to understand the significance of the Fridays speech by the Hezbollah leader it's enough to say that during the hour long speech that an estimated 3 billion people  across the globe watched simultaneously, there was a deafening silence and ceasefire in West Asia.

I don't want to get into the details of what was said because it would turn this into a military and political topic. But the part that involves economy is both good news and bad news:
- Good news: despite the speculations over the past couple of days this was a very calculated speech that outlined the situation precisely and left every possibility open as operations will continue happening and expanding but without entering the new phase of the war which is a significant expansion and heavier attacks.
In fact oil price even reacted to this by going down a little which is good news for economy.

- Bad news: is that the conflict is expanding at the same pace as before since the genocide has not stopped and United States regime is desperately trying to keep the carcass of Israel alive. After the speech yesterday we have the simultaneous attack on Israeli and American positions from 5 fronts. In decreasing order of intensity: Palestine (Gaza and West Bank), Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and finally Syria.

On another news we have Algerian parliament passing a law that unanimously voted to support Palestine militarily. This allows President of Algeria to enter the war against Israel if he chooses to. To understand the significance of it specially on economy you have to look at where Algeria is located. That is another strategic chokepoint, Strait of Gibraltar, which is another access point Europe has to open seas for trades. If the war expands it will also affect the international trades going through this strait which has a significant effect on the economy.

This is also significant regarding energy price and shortage. Algeria has acted as one of the sources to cover part of the EU gas shortage after Russian exports to Europe decreased. They exports most of their natural gas to Europe through 4 LNG terminals and the Trans-Mediterranean pipeline. If we enter this phase, a "gas embargo" on Europe is a possibility.

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but President Biden's latest statement about a "humanitarian pause" marked a shift in the position of the White House. 
Unfortunately I don't think this statement is indicating the end or any kind of serious ceasefire. The goal of this statement is purely to affect what Hezbollah is going to say and do at 15:00 (local time) today, which is the deadline Hezbollah dictated. I bet the video released as a reminder of how they easily attacked Sa'ar warship back in 2006 had a significant effect.
How much does an aircraft carrier like USS Ford cost? $13 billion + cost of 50-60 aircraft + 4500 personnel? That's enough dissuasion.

After all it all comes down to the costs. US Senate just approved to waste more than $14 billion of taxpayers money on Zionists! That's on top of the billions they are already paying Israel. I already covered the effects on energy market.
I'm sure those in Washington can come up with a much better and more detailed version of what I posted here that covers more than just CENTCOM region. After all United States is at war with the rest of the world, the costs is so much higher that what I can cover inside one post:
The proxy war with Russia, the proxy war with China, the proxy war with Iran, proxy wars in Africa and now an actual armed conflict they are caught in inside a prison called Gaza.

The cost is not only economical. US military is getting the worst of it, specially after yesterday where they sustained largest losses over the past 28 days.

On top of it all we also have Russia advancing in Ukrainian soil because US literally pulled everything back from troops and proxies to weapons they were supposed to use to stop Russian progress!

but boy oh boy if you called any if you called any Israelis terrorists in the US you'd probably be called an anti-semite and so forth,
Yeah.
The absurdity of it is that the 9000+ Palestinians who were murdered by Israel over the past 28 days are Semites too!
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I am far from justifying what Hamas did, but crime is not answered by committing even more crimes.
I'm curious whether you think when Ukrainians attack Russian invaders in their own homes they are also committing crimes? If not then why do you think Palestinians attacking Zionist invaders in their own homes is a crime?

Regardless of your personal position, there is no justification for what Hamas has done, killing children, women and anyone who came across its path, and abducting hundreds who are now being held hostage. Fighting for one's country does not justify crimes against civilians, no matter what war we are talking about.

This should be a discussion about the economic effects of the war, so I will refrain from commenting on politics in the future.
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Israeli terrorist bases
My gratitude for explaining this whole situation to idiots like myself who don't watch news and thus have no clue what's going on in the world--and I'm dead serious, I'd no idea any of this was happening.

Ah, that word terrorist....it's just lost its meaning over the years (if it ever really had one).  I'm not picking any sides politically, but boy oh boy if you called any Israelis terrorists in the US you'd probably be called an anti-semite and so forth, because it's taboo to criticize their government or anything about them basically.  Again, I'm ignorant of world affairs so I couldn't choose a side even if I wanted to; just saying that you'd never, ever see a phrase like "Israeli terrorist" in the Western media.

Now, about those energy prices.  My guess is that the effect of all of this conflict would be pretty hard to predict.  Economists have tried to in the past (with respect to gas prices, for example) and they've turned out to be entirely wrong.  So I'm hoping if shit goes totally south in the region shown in the OP, it'll spur a move toward energy sources that wouldn't be affected by war in the middle east, in Asia, or anywhere else.  Kind of like how lab-made diamonds might cure all of the corruption that's infested the diamond market for many, many years.
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Actually without the intervention of United States this conflict would have ended more than 10 days ago. The Zionist regime would have been forced to stop the genocide and release thousands of men, women and children being tortured in their prisons and stop the settlements from expansion. Now the Israeli terrorists have to answer for the 8000+ civilians they've murdered.

As per the latest reports, over 9000 Palestinians died in this attack; among them are 3760 children and 2326 women. Over 7000 Palestinian children have been injured since 7th October. How can a person justify the killing of innocent civilians? They are bombing hospitals and refugee camps; this is a war crime. Why the World is not saying anything about this?
WHO said in a statement that it is almost impossible to bring humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza.

Israel is committing a genocide. Netanyahu invoked the theory of 'Amalek' to justify the killing of Gaza residents. He said;

“You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’."

This statement is proof that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. 

The USA has continuously backed and supported Israel in the past few weeks of this war, but President Biden's latest statement about a "humanitarian pause" marked a shift in the position of the White House. 

We are witnessing a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

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I am far from justifying what Hamas did, but crime is not answered by committing even more crimes.
I'm curious whether you think when Ukrainians attack Russian invaders in their own homes they are also committing crimes? If not then why do you think Palestinians attacking Zionist invaders in their own homes is a crime?

without the intervention of some external factors, I do not see that this conflict can last longer than a few months, when Israel will very likely take full control of the Gaza Strip.
Actually without the intervention of United States this conflict would have ended more than 10 days ago. The Zionist regime would have been forced to stop the genocide and release thousands of men, women and children being tortured in their prisons and stop the settlements from expansion. Now the Israeli terrorists have to answer for the 8000+ civilians they've murdered.

The reason I say it would have ended in first days is that internally Israel has been falling apart (it's the 8th decade curse). If you followed the news over the past couple of years you could see how things have been progressing. For example each Zionist "government" could barely last a year before falling apart and being replaced. Or the fact that over the 40+ weeks leading to October 7 there has been mass protests against the regime by Israelis every day since they too consider their prime minister to be a criminal who needs to be hanged. Most important of all was the armed forces that had completely fallen apart as everyone was abandoning their posts.
From early days US military officers entered the occupied Palestine and took over the Israeli military and started the operations. As I said in my last post US troops are also in the front line attacking Gaza from land.

Interestingly enough they could not move an inch into Gaza without massive casualties so far! In other words it is not possible to "take full control of Gaza Strip" ever. And that's without the other arms of the Resistance intervening.
In about 8 hours the face of the battle can change entirely Wink

I do not want to give an ideological coloring to the Palestinian issue, but it cannot be overlooked that the Palestinian people are predominantly Sunni Muslims with Christian and Jewish minorities.
It is interesting to know that ideology is only part of it, Iran's policy that is also in the constitution is "helping the oppressed". For example Venezuela is not even an ideological country and Iran has greatly helped the country specially after US that controlled lots of infrastructures in Venezuela (like the electrical grid) left the country and sabotaged everything behind them. It was Iran that helped rebuild the electrical grid, reactivate the sabotaged power plants, etc.

Or the massive amount of gasoline Iran sent to Venezuela to help the energy crisis that had halted all transport there was after US not only sanctioned Iran heavily because of that help! but also after US even threatened to attack or seize these tankers!
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/12/6/biggest-iranian-flotilla-yet-en-route-to-venezuela-with-fuel
That is in addition to the Venezuelan refineries that US sanctioned and sabotaged to cripple this Latin American country was fixed and brought back online by Iran.

It doesn't stop there either. There are loads of examples like this.
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Middle Eastern countries have never been free from conflict and to this day the Middle East remains the center of conflict, both between countries and conflicts within countries. And currently the impact of the conflict in the Middle East has begun to be taken into account by the world, especially the business world. Because the conflict that occurred in the Middle East has had a major impact on the manufacturing industry, causing oil and gas prices to increase. Oil and gas are basic needs, so this has an impact and can trigger price increases in other industrial and economic sectors.

We will never know when this conflict will be resolved and when this conflict will subside. So prepare ourselves to face global economic challenges and the threat of inflation amidst an unstable economy. The series of events started with the spread of the Covid-19 outbreak which caused the global economy to stagnate and slow down, Russia's attack on Ukraine which caused energy and food prices to become unstable, and now we are faced again with the turmoil of the Middle East conflict which has resulted in an energy crisis. So once again prepare ourselves to face all the challenges and threats that exist.
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Then, two days ago, the Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen announced their support for the Palestinians and actually began firing long-range missiles. Had the American and Saudi defenses not confronted them, they would have reached Tel Aviv.
Ansarollah didn't start supporting Palestine two days ago, they've been doing it for a while now. Last year they were also threatening to bomb the terrorist positions when there was another bombardment of Gaza. This year they acted on those threats.
They also are not targeting Tel Aviv, that is not in the list of targets for heavy attacks yet anyway. The light rockets from Gaza is enough for now. Instead Ansarollah is targeting a very strategic location in occupied Palestine that has never been targeted before. The southmost region called Eilat and the ports there. Specially since the fuel for the terrorists tanks and aircrafts is heading to that port coming from Baku with the help of Turkey.
I believe there has been 3 attacks already and they've all hit their targets successfully as reported by eyewitnesses; that is despite the Saudi + US + Egyptian + Jordanian attempts to stop them.

They are also targeting other bases of Israeli terrorists elsewhere such as the base in Eritrea they hit hard this past week.

You see it's like separation of concerns.
Palestine is involved in the land attack as the ground forces and have already repelled 8 attempts to invade Gaza (3 of which were US commandos or more specifically the Delta Force) and slaughtered the invaders.
Lebanon is slowly bombing all terrorist bases from the north and progressing every day.
Syria is focusing on occupied Golan Heights and have been bombing terrorist positions there.
Yemen is focusing on the South as I said above.
The rest (Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Africa, etc.) are focusing on US bases.
Thanks for clarifying all these points in detail. You and I don't have very different views.
What can actually be concluded from all these overlapping elements of different war fronts is that Iran is actually leading the real confrontation movement against the occupying Zionist entity. The Lebanese Hezbollah is an Iranian creation. The Syrian regime is also supported by Iran, in addition to having a military presence in Syrian territory (Revolutionary Guards), and the Houthi group in Yemen is also an Iranian creation. Literally, it means that Persian Shiite Iran is the one supporting the cause of the Sunni Arabs instead of them. I do not want to give an ideological coloring to the Palestinian issue, but it cannot be overlooked that the Palestinian people are predominantly Sunni Muslims with Christian and Jewish minorities.
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I can agree that the East and the West look at the new situation in a completely different way, but that does not surprise me at all considering that everyone has their own interests in all of this. It's just bad for me that civilians are the hardest hit by all of this, especially children who are not guilty of anything - and as someone who somehow survived the merciless bombings in the aggression against my country 30+ years ago, I can only say that anyone who goes to war in that way cannot be called anything other than a war criminal, because the killing of thousands of children cannot be justified in any other way. I am far from justifying what Hamas did, but crime is not answered by committing even more crimes.

However, I thought a little about how Israel failed to prevent that attack from happening at all, and I can't shake the impression that they didn't know, not only that it was going to happen, but also that someone was arming Hamas so abundantly. I would venture to say that one of the sponsors is Russia, which wanted (and managed) to shift the focus from the war in Ukraine to another issue, and they failed to do so by provoking an armed rebellion in Kosovo shortly before the attack on Israel.

Another reason why I think that Russia actually did itself a favor and gave Israel a reason for such brutal revenge is that it remains neutral about the war in Ukraine all the time, even when President Zelinsky (who is Jewish) begs them for help.

However, although we should certainly be concerned about the economic consequences that may arise from a war in that part of the world, without the intervention of some external factors, I do not see that this conflict can last longer than a few months, when Israel will very likely take full control of the Gaza Strip.

Some parts of the world will certainly suffer much more economically than others if the situation gets complicated, but after the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, many countries have realized that they have to start providing alternative routes for the supply of energy, as well as that they should become as self-sufficient as possible.
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Honestly , I really hope they won't because things in my country are already way to expensive for most of our citizens. Another rise in energy prices would simply bring people out in the streets but I'm sure that won't change anything because we will not be the only ones affected by this. On the other side , the war Ukraine - Russia already made Romanian prices to go up in all sectors so I really hope the conflict from Israel and Hamas would not have the same effect and I do hope a solution will be available for the world soon.
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A slight hike in global oil prices was observed after the Israel and Hamas fighting erupted because of the concerns over the effects of this war on the energy-producing Middle East. European natural gas spikes up by 14% while global oil pumped 4%.

Although both Israel and the Gaza Strip are not major players in oil production, the price hike could be due to the fear that this conflict will spread to the rest of the Arab countries. The Middle East accounts for 31% of global oil production and 18% of gas production.

The Middle East is the hub of oil production and has major oil producers such as Iran and Saudi Arabia and one of the main transit routes, "the Strait of Hormuz" (the world’s most important oil chokepoint). This conflict could disrupt the main energy supply routes. Yemen's involvement in this war could mean that the conflict is spreading to other countries. Yemen's Houthis, however, are a rebel group which controls Yemen's capital. 

Two key factors in this conflict are;

1) Whether or not Iran directly gets involved in the conflict. Amid increasing tensions and direct confrontation, Iran might close the Strait of Hormuz (chokepoint for nearly a third of seaborne oil).
 
2) Hezbollah (a Lebanon-based armed group) starts an attack on Israel.
It is reported that border tensions between Hezbollah and Israel have been on the rise for the past few days. 

In the past, the World has seen a global effect of the Israel and Palestine war in 1973 when Egypt and Syria got involved in the fight, and all Arab oil-producing nations cut the oil supply and imposed an embargo on the US and its allies. This caused a major oil price surge in the world within a few months. However, the situation is different this time, but who knows the long-term consequences?

Morgan Stanley said in a note on Monday that the near-term risk to oil supply was low, but that could change if the conflict spread to other countries.

In conclusion, if the conflict remains localised and the major oil-producing nations or transit routes are not affected, we may see a slight fluctuation in global energy prices. However, if the conflict spreads to neighbouring countries, it will not only impact oil production but also affect transit routes.
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November 01, 2023, 11:28:42 PM
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I think, if there is a shortfall of supply of oil and gas from the middle East, there are other oil producing countries and continents in the world that will meet up there OPEC quarter, and they can successfully supply oil and gas across Europe and the world at large
Who exactly do you mean?
All producers outside West Asia are already producing at max capacity and beyond, not to mention that over the past year there has been a higher demand than supply. It is impossible to cover any kind of shortage specially if we are talking about a massive 40-50% shortage!

Resistance isn't run by Iran, they are friends of Iran each striving for the same goal.
Ok, actually, many news outlets are saying that Iran supports this group. Well, aren't they both the same thing? If they are friends, they must be supporting each other as they both have the same purpose here.
That's correct. What I meant was that the relationship between Iran and the international resistance is not a hierarchy where Iran runs them or they are Iran's "proxy". Instead it is an alliance with an unbreakable bond. Obviously Iran as the strongest member of the resistance supports all of them.

Then, two days ago, the Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen announced their support for the Palestinians and actually began firing long-range missiles. Had the American and Saudi defenses not confronted them, they would have reached Tel Aviv.
Ansarollah didn't start supporting Palestine two days ago, they've been doing it for a while now. Last year they were also threatening to bomb the terrorist positions when there was another bombardment of Gaza. This year they acted on those threats.
They also are not targeting Tel Aviv, that is not in the list of targets for heavy attacks yet anyway. The light rockets from Gaza is enough for now. Instead Ansarollah is targeting a very strategic location in occupied Palestine that has never been targeted before. The southmost region called Eilat and the ports there. Specially since the fuel for the terrorists tanks and aircrafts is heading to that port coming from Baku with the help of Turkey.
I believe there has been 3 attacks already and they've all hit their targets successfully as reported by eyewitnesses; that is despite the Saudi + US + Egyptian + Jordanian attempts to stop them.

They are also targeting other bases of Israeli terrorists elsewhere such as the base in Eritrea they hit hard this past week.

You see it's like separation of concerns.
Palestine is involved in the land attack as the ground forces and have already repelled 8 attempts to invade Gaza (3 of which were US commandos or more specifically the Delta Force) and slaughtered the invaders.
Lebanon is slowly bombing all terrorist bases from the north and progressing every day.
Syria is focusing on occupied Golan Heights and have been bombing terrorist positions there.
Yemen is focusing on the South as I said above.
The rest (Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Africa, etc.) are focusing on US bases.
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So why isn't Iran directly intervening in Gaza?
We have to first realize that the enemy is the biggest and most cunning propagandist in this world with full control over majority of the Western mainstream and social media. We are talking about Israel, an apartheid regime that murders thousands of children every day but fills the media with a fake news about Hamas having killed children using a deepfaked image! So the world needed to see the true face of Israel as a terrorist organization to first shatter that fake illusion they had created over the past decades. That seems to have happened already when we look at the large scale protests across the globe specially in the West like the last one that even reached United States Senate.
If Iran had entered from day one, the Israeli terrorists would have easily turned the public opinion around. For example they could simply blame the bombs they dropped on a Palestinian concentration camp yesterday that weighed a total of 6 tons on Iran saying it was an Iranian missile trying to hit them. But today the world sees this crime and knows it was Israel that murdered all those people in a blinking of an eye.

Another way of looking at it is that at the end of the day this is a Palestinian issue and if others intervened from day one, it would have turned it into THEIR war and Palestinian cause would have been forgotten and possibly erased forever. It needed to be Palestinian freedom fighters rising up against the invaders first before others could start helping (as they have been).

It needs to be added that Iran has always supported the legitimate struggle of Palestinians for freedom officially and loudly. Check out the last speech by the Iranian foreign minister in UN. The recent video of an advanced UUV released by Qassam brigade shows the quality of that support.
So for now Iran's support of Palestine will continue but direct intervention would remain outside Palestine focusing on CENTCOM (ie. Northern Africa and West Asia). For example if you check out Syrian and Iraqi news you can see the increasing number of attacks on US bases there with videos, something that is mostly censored in Western media.

It can be said that Iran is the only power in the region (perhaps in the world as well) that provides military and logistical support to Palestinian groups fighting against Israeli tyranny. This has been and continues to continue since the Iranian Revolution in 1979, which declared its unconditional loyalty to the cause of the Palestinian people.
Iran supports the Syrian regime to continue extending its influence over the region and prevent Israel from expanding in its lands and even in its alliances, since Israel succeeded in winning over both Egypt and Jordan as peaceful neighbors in exchange for many concessions. On the northern front, Iran supports Khazbollah, which controls the entire south of Lebanon on the Israeli border. Then, two days ago, the Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen announced their support for the Palestinians and actually began firing long-range missiles. Had the American and Saudi defenses not confronted them, they would have reached Tel Aviv.
Iran prefers these proxy wars to direct confrontation because this is not in its interest at the present time.
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Resistance isn't run by Iran, they are friends of Iran each striving for the same goal.
Ok, actually, many news outlets are saying that Iran supports this group. Well, aren't they both the same thing? If they are friends, they must be supporting each other as they both have the same purpose here.
That shouldn't be difficult at all though. Apart from the fact that the holy city of Quds or Beit od-Moqdas was the first qibla of Muslims and is currently occupied by those who regularly desecrate Al-Aqsa Mosque, the majority of population of Saudi Arabia are Sunni Arabs and should be the one supporting Sunni Arabs of Palestine. But in reality the Shia Persians of Iran are the only supporters of Palestine!
You are right, this should not be a difficult decision to make, but KSA has already been in some deals with Yemen for some time, and they were trying to make some pieces, but I prefer not to take sides because if they do, things can become a little bumpy for the overall economy, and I don't care that much because help should be given to the needy, war should be stopped, and terrorists should be in jail. All I am saying is that if Yemen or the Axis of Resistance is making moves, then do not disturb them and let them make.

That's the problem with dictators that are either installed or backed by the West. They can not make any actual moves against Western interest even if all their population demanded it.
Actually, they (the KSA) were trying to get a defense pact in order to make peace with Israel so that they could sell more oil to Washington as inroads are off from China. This pact deal was going to occur on September 29, but just after a few days, war started and this meeting is still on hold. I don't know or have anything to say about whether the KSA is really going to accept Israel, but they did make a condition there that they should go easy on Palestine. I mean, yeah, they did say
This caricature by an Arab artist says it all: https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/01/tX4IW.jpeg
Indeed
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This is part of my Energy Crisis 2.0 topic but since this is a significant change, I placed it in a new topic which I may lock after Friday since we will enter a new phase with possibly significant changes after Friday.

A quick explanation of this map for a visualization of where everything is located.
Yemen is 1700 km away from the occupied Palestine and has dominance over the strait of Bab al-Mandab (where Gulf of Aden and Red Sea meet) and by extension can affect the Red Sea and the Suez Canal (green circle).
The significance of the sea region is shown with the yellow and black arrows. The yellow arrows mostly show the direction of the energy and resources heading to the West and the black arrows show the route for majority of Western exports (West meaning mainly Europe).


Over the past week Yemen officially entered the ongoing war in West Asia.
The first step was sending at least two light slow cruise missiles towards USS Carney, the US Navy destroyer in Red Sea as a warning that in case of intervention they will be sunk with heavier and faster anti-ship cruise missiles.
The second step was a small ballistic missile attack on Israeli terrorist bases in the southmost part of occupied Palestine, the Eilat port shown by the red circle.

What does this have to do with energy and consequently economy?
Well, this effectively expanded the war to the Red Sea and will affect the routes I drew on the map above.
Specially since US Navy is already present in the region and the terrorist ships entered Red Sea today and considering that they are all legitimate targets we could see the international trade disrupted in the coming days if those warships are attacked.
That means for example all the LNG shipments to Europe from Qatar would stop. Same with oil tankers and all other kind of shipments.

The other thing to consider is the possibility of Yemenis attacks expanding to include more legitimate targets in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Both oil rich countries and both legitimate targets because their coalition with US has invaded Yemen and it would only be retaliation according to international laws. Also legitimate targets because they both are helping the terrorist organization commit genocide in Palestine (eg. UAE fighter jets are reported to be participating in bombing Gaza in the past days).
That can translate into much more than just oil price rising, there will be oil shortage.

What's interesting is that oil price has not shown any significant reaction to the events of past couple of days.
Possibly because the routes have not yet been threatened by the presence of terrorists and their supporters. But we still need to wait and see what the next move is, this is only speculation for now.

Let me know what you predict.
I think, if there is a shortfall of supply of oil and gas from the middle East, there are other oil producing countries and continents in the world that will meet up there OPEC quarter, and they can successfully supply oil and gas across Europe and the world at large, even when Russia and Ukraine crisis we are the heat, Nations within Europe where  still able to get gas and oil, even though there was a shortfall. so what I'm saying in essence is that, there will be one way or the other to get oil and gas if the crisis currently happening in Israel and Gaza continue to intensify.
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November 01, 2023, 12:20:07 PM
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this resistance group (ran by Iran which they do not agree on)
Resistance isn't run by Iran, they are friends of Iran each striving for the same goal.

Which seems to be a difficult situation for them because Saudia is a Islamic state and they should support Palestine
That shouldn't be difficult at all though. Apart from the fact that the holy city of Quds or Beit od-Moqdas was the first qibla of Muslims and is currently occupied by those who regularly desecrate Al-Aqsa Mosque, the majority of population of Saudi Arabia are Sunni Arabs and should be the one supporting Sunni Arabs of Palestine. But in reality the Shia Persians of Iran are the only supporters of Palestine!

They did not made any statement yet and don't want to, but I say they should not take sides yet,
That's the problem with dictators that are either installed or backed by the West. They can not make any actual moves against Western interest even if all their population demanded it.

they can stop those missiles to go into the boundary of Israel by destroying them from there western side but they are also not doing that and that really of concerns.
Technically they can't stop the attacks because if they could they would have stopped the attacks on Aramco for instance. But they are trying and have already intercepted some of them like the Yemeni drone that Egypt shot down a couple of days ago.
This caricature by an Arab artist says it all: https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/01/tX4IW.jpeg

This is something new I was not aware of this, I did not found any source to this news can you please verify it because the news I found was of 2018 and that news was also fake.
The cooperation between Israel and some of the Arab regimes is not new. Although if you want solid proof of this particular UAE participation there are none. We only have some reports from different sources. The one that made a lot of noise recently was the report by France24 channel. I couldn't find the full video but here is a mirror showing part of it in a Persian newspaper: https://ettelaat.com/00058P my Arabic isn't that good but it is talking about the "sellah" and "ta'erat al-emarati" which is the Emirati Weapons and Aircrafts.
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I hope not because although unit rates have dropped since last winter, they are still extremely high. They are significantly higher than what they were prior to COVID & the Ukraine war. The cynical side of my thought processes say that energy companies are preying on consumers & using those things as an excuse to drive up prices. To conclude, I really hope prices don’t rise again because the cost of living is at unprecedented levels in my country right now.
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I'm not an expert in geopolitics, but my thinking is that a real war in that area can only happen if Iran intervenes. Although so far we have heard a lot of harsh words from Iran, for now it seems that everything will remain only on threats,
The Iran's hegemonic strategy is a very complex one that is hard to explain. If I wanted to summarize it I'd say it is cancer treatment; it is to end occupation of Middle East by any foreign force. So Iran is already deeply involved, not just because we are talking about Iran's neighborhood but also because supporting the oppressed is part of Iran's constitution. And since the colonizers aren't going to end their occupation of the most resource filled region of the world peacefully, the "tumor removal" will be hurtful.

So why isn't Iran directly intervening in Gaza?
We have to first realize that the enemy is the biggest and most cunning propagandist in this world with full control over majority of the Western mainstream and social media. We are talking about Israel, an apartheid regime that murders thousands of children every day but fills the media with a fake news about Hamas having killed children using a deepfaked image! So the world needed to see the true face of Israel as a terrorist organization to first shatter that fake illusion they had created over the past decades. That seems to have happened already when we look at the large scale protests across the globe specially in the West like the last one that even reached United States Senate.
If Iran had entered from day one, the Israeli terrorists would have easily turned the public opinion around. For example they could simply blame the bombs they dropped on a Palestinian concentration camp yesterday that weighed a total of 6 tons on Iran saying it was an Iranian missile trying to hit them. But today the world sees this crime and knows it was Israel that murdered all those people in a blinking of an eye.

Another way of looking at it is that at the end of the day this is a Palestinian issue and if others intervened from day one, it would have turned it into THEIR war and Palestinian cause would have been forgotten and possibly erased forever. It needed to be Palestinian freedom fighters rising up against the invaders first before others could start helping (as they have been).

It needs to be added that Iran has always supported the legitimate struggle of Palestinians for freedom officially and loudly. Check out the last speech by the Iranian foreign minister in UN. The recent video of an advanced UUV released by Qassam brigade shows the quality of that support.
So for now Iran's support of Palestine will continue but direct intervention would remain outside Palestine focusing on CENTCOM (ie. Northern Africa and West Asia). For example if you check out Syrian and Iraqi news you can see the increasing number of attacks on US bases there with videos, something that is mostly censored in Western media.

and all the other incidents that you have already mentioned are only isolated incidents that cannot significantly disrupt traffic through the Suez Canal, and even less through gas pipelines or oil pipelines.
That's true but things are changing real fast. For example last week Yemen was silent, now the battlefield is expanded by a radius of 2000 km overnight. So I'm just speculating here about possibilities based on what develops, after Friday this battle could be entirely different, from genocide of Palestinians halting abruptly all the way to US aircraft carriers sinking to the bottom of Mediterranean sea.
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The other thing to consider is the possibility of Yemenis attacks expanding to include more legitimate targets in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Both oil rich countries and both legitimate targets because their coalition with US has invaded Yemen and it would only be retaliation according to international laws.
You have raised a good point, I did not gave it a thought before, because concerns were on war not giving any thoughts to energy crisis that might come if war goes on. Just like we have seen energy crisis during the war of Ukraine and Russia.  Well, this resistance group (ran by Iran which they do not agree on) knows as axis of resistances did attacked Israel with ballistic missiles and these missiles fly from the western side of Saudia Arabia  and then Jordan to Israel. And Saudia Arabia is in relation with US and have to chose sides now. Which seems to be a difficult situation for them because Saudia is a Islamic state and they should support Palestine and we know more than 3200 child (only childs) have been killed by Israel and those childs belong to muslim families so it should be hard for Saudia arabia to chose sides.

They did not made any statement yet and don't want to, but I say they should not take sides yet, they can stop those missiles to go into the boundary of Israel by destroying them from there western side but they are also not doing that and that really of concerns. Even if they not want to interrupt in these war of Axis Group Of resistance backing Palestine, Hamas against Israel they are not interrupting because they will be attacked too and I think they don't want it but besides this reason they might be loving this attack on Israeli terrorists like many of us. (Note* I say the war should be stopped).

Overall, KSA not doing anything and that's good because they also lost many lives of worker in drone attacks from Yemen.

Also legitimate targets because they both are helping the terrorist organization commit genocide in Palestine (eg. UAE fighter jets are reported to be participating in bombing Gaza in the past days).
This is something new I was not aware of this, I did not found any source to this news can you please verify it because the news I found was of 2018 and that news was also fake.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2018/08/11/uae-participated-in-bombing-of-gaza-with-israeli-army-journalist/amp
What's interesting is that oil price has not shown any significant reaction to the events of past couple of days.
Well, that's because Yemen's or whoever's this group is AKA axis of resistance which attacked Israel, took part in this Hamas-Israel war on 31 October which was yesterday and the the effect will take sometime to be noted.
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November 01, 2023, 10:06:49 AM
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The longevity of the tension in the Gaza Strip region may be reflected in the prices in the Western region but for the sake of comparison this event with Russia and Ukraine affected most of the economies, here the one side Gaza and its supporters are relatively weak and Israel has the upper hand so this can be bring to an end in one or other way whereas in Russia and Ukraine both were supported by other big nations so such kind of approach wasn't possible which dragged the war for longer period of times.



The Middle East has over 43% of the world's oil reserve, so I don't know the trick the world would play if such a region is at war to the extent that oil pumping stops partially or totally. OPEC and others won't be able to manipulate this time as many of the members state can't have the capacity to quantify for the expected shortfall.

Oil resources are non-renewable even if nothing happens it is gonna dries out at some point and that is why governments are focusing on creating energy with other renewable sources but it's a long-term transition that may take a decade or two until there won't be any situation hopefully.
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I'm not an expert in geopolitics, but my thinking is that a real war in that area can only happen if Iran intervenes. Although so far we have heard a lot of harsh words from Iran, for now it seems that everything will remain only on threats, and all the other incidents that you have already mentioned are only isolated incidents that cannot significantly disrupt traffic through the Suez Canal, and even less through gas pipelines or oil pipelines.

Since Russia attacked Ukraine, some things have changed significantly in the EU, which means that many alternative sources of oil and gas supply have been found, primarily from the US and Africa (Algeria, Nigeria) and increased production from Norway. The latest data indicate that EU gas storage facilities are about 99% full, and temperatures are still around 20 degrees Celsius (daily), and long-term forecasts point to a relatively warm winter.

In addition, progress is also being made in terms of using energy from renewable sources.

The EU's net greenhouse gas emissions decreased by around 3% in 2022, reaching a reduction of 32.5% compared to 1990 levels;
The EU drastically reduced its dependence on Russian fossil fuel: phasing out coal imports; reducing oil imports by 90%; reducing gas imports from 155bcm in 2021 to around 80 bcm in 2022 and to an estimated 40-45 bcm in 2023;
The EU reduced gas demand by more than 18% compared with the previous five years, saving around 53 bcm of gas;
Gas storage facilities were filled to 95% of capacity ahead of the winter of 2022-2023 and stand at over 98% full today, ahead of the coming winter;
The EU Energy Platform organised three rounds of joint purchase of gas, collecting 44.75bcm of demand and matching it with 52bcm of supply offers;
2022 was a record year for new solar photovoltaic (PV) capacity (+41 GW), which is 60% more than in 2021 (+26 GW). New onshore and offshore wind capacity was 45% higher than in 2021;
In 2022, 39% of electricity was generated by renewables, and in May wind and solar surpassed fossil fuels for the first time in EU electricity generation;
Legislative targets were agreed for a minimum share of 42.5% of renewable energy in the EU by 2030, and the ambition to reach 45%. Energy efficiency targets were also increased, to reduce final energy consumption by 11.7% by 2030.
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Maybe we should accept this as the impeding consequences to the global world economy system deteriorating and the inflation that is fast covering the surface of the earth, if there's inflation then almost every aspect of the economy remain being affected and definitely there will be a price change in energy likewise it's consumption will be affected, we all know how there's high dependency on the energy consumption rate and it daily demand, people cannot leave without the use of energy each day of their lives, we have to remember that the higher the dependency the higher the demand and also the price under economic law of consumption, demand and supply.
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November 01, 2023, 09:54:32 AM
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Your concern is genuine, and so are your linkings and predictions by land and proxies as they are the rightest view of everyone now. This is one of the reasons why the focus on the Middle East is high this time, and more escalation in the region will surely shoot the price of energy higher. Crude oil moved higher in the wake of the news of the Isrseal-Hamas issues and moved almost 1000 pips within a few days before dropping back. The reason is justified as we all know the importance of the Middle East in the energy market. But the effect was still temporary and of course also a warning for the world if the Israel-Hamas war escalates.

The Middle East has over 43% of the world's oil reserve, so I don't know the trick the world would play if such a region is at war to the extent that oil pumping stops partially or totally. OPEC and others won't be able to manipulate this time as many of the members state can't have the capacity to quantify for the expected shortfall.
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November 01, 2023, 08:44:27 AM
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This is part of my Energy Crisis 2.0 topic but since this is a significant change, I placed it in a new topic which I may lock after Friday since we will enter a new phase with possibly significant changes after Friday.

A quick explanation of this map for a visualization of where everything is located.
Yemen is 1700 km away from the occupied Palestine and has dominance over the strait of Bab al-Mandab (where Gulf of Aden and Red Sea meet) and by extension can affect the Red Sea and the Suez Canal (green circle).
The significance of the sea region is shown with the yellow and black arrows. The yellow arrows mostly show the direction of the energy and resources heading to the West and the black arrows show the route for majority of Western exports (West meaning mainly Europe).


Over the past week Yemen officially entered the ongoing war in West Asia.
The first step was sending at least two light slow cruise missiles towards USS Carney, the US Navy destroyer in Red Sea as a warning that in case of intervention they will be sunk with heavier and faster anti-ship cruise missiles.
The second step was a small ballistic missile attack on Israeli terrorist bases in the southmost part of occupied Palestine, the Eilat port shown by the red circle.

What does this have to do with energy and consequently economy?
Well, this effectively expanded the war to the Red Sea and will affect the routes I drew on the map above.
Specially since US Navy is already present in the region and the terrorist ships entered Red Sea today and considering that they are all legitimate targets we could see the international trade disrupted in the coming days if those warships are attacked.
That means for example all the LNG shipments to Europe from Qatar would stop. Same with oil tankers and all other kind of shipments.

The other thing to consider is the possibility of Yemenis attacks expanding to include more legitimate targets in Saudi Arabia and UAE. Both oil rich countries and both legitimate targets because their coalition with US has invaded Yemen and it would only be retaliation according to international laws. Also legitimate targets because they both are helping the terrorist organization commit genocide in Palestine (eg. UAE fighter jets are reported to be participating in bombing Gaza in the past days).
That can translate into much more than just oil price rising, there will be oil shortage.

What's interesting is that oil price has not shown any significant reaction to the events of past couple of days.
Possibly because the routes have not yet been threatened by the presence of terrorists and their supporters. But we still need to wait and see what the next move is, this is only speculation for now.

Let me know what you predict.
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