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Quote from: kryptqnick on March 10, 2024, 06:27:35 AM

In my country, the environmental theme is temporarily outside active discussion because the war led to instability of electricity and military equipment can't rely on eco-friendly solutions anyway. But overall, I believe we should strive toward the future of much fewer cars and of way more electric vehicles than other vehicles. As for stoves, electric stoves are also much better for health and safety, and they're easier to clean than gas stoves.
I think there IS a genuine and urgent need to change our relationship with nature and focus on renewable sources. Climate change isn't a problem of the future. It's already happening, and it's leading to a lot of human suffering as well as financial losses. It's true that electricity doesn't always come from eco-friendly sources, but many countries actually mainly rely on clean sources of energy, and at least it's possible to move away from the worst sources, such as coal.

I also support that we should gradually switch to electric devices such as electric umbrellas and electric gas stoves because that will help us greatly reduce costs. My family is also one of those who have switched to using electric appliances instead of gasoline and gas and I find it helps us save some costs. But to say it is more environmentally friendly, we need more time to evaluate that. Electric cars are bringing convenience as well as significant fuel savings, but to say that they are more environmentally friendly is not entirely accurate. As far as I know, electric car batteries cannot be recycled and they are made from radioactive materials. Therefore, battery destruction is also an environmental pollution problem that has no effective solution.

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This is all about business so we expect something like competition so for now we are in progress to transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy. Whether or not it is some kind of manipulation in this energy sector we really have no choice because it is what governments wanted us to use whatever reason they may have we are clueless about that. If we insist in using old technology and we are living in the future do we really think it is worth the time and effort we spend? We all know technological advancement is inevitable and things around us will become outdated or obsolete so why don't we adopt newer tech and products? For now we are still in a stage wherein we still have choices but in the future fossil fuels might not be an option for us. I might be wrong but who knows?

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In my country, the environmental theme is temporarily outside active discussion because the war led to instability of electricity and military equipment can't rely on eco-friendly solutions anyway. But overall, I believe we should strive toward the future of much fewer cars and of way more electric vehicles than other vehicles. As for stoves, electric stoves are also much better for health and safety, and they're easier to clean than gas stoves.
I think there IS a genuine and urgent need to change our relationship with nature and focus on renewable sources. Climate change isn't a problem of the future. It's already happening, and it's leading to a lot of human suffering as well as financial losses. It's true that electricity doesn't always come from eco-friendly sources, but many countries actually mainly rely on clean sources of energy, and at least it's possible to move away from the worst sources, such as coal.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 10, 2024, 04:12:06 AM

I think it is crucial for governments to focus on developing infrastructure for technologies that are based on renewable energy... before fossil fuels run out. The global economy will collapse or it will become VERY expensive, if the supply of fossil fuel runs out.... and if there are no alternative to supplement or replace it.

I also think a hybrid system can utilize the best of both worlds... so you can drive on petrol and electricity to increase your driving distances and also to reduce the transport cost and still use fossil fuel and use "clean" energy. (Solar / Wind / Hydro ....etc) Wink

Money makes the world go 'round, and for many places, old school fossil fuels are still big cash cows. Powerful industries have deep pockets to persuade politicians too and it aint so simple to trade in oil derricks for solar panels or wind farms overnight when there are massive economic interests at stake.

Sure, the tech is there for clean energy. But legacy energy has the deep roots. Big oil and coal lobby hard to keep their gravy trains running. Renewables disrupt all that. And change is messy.

Maybe with enough public momentum governments can transition without too much pain. But it's gonna take some time. This is about way more than flipping a switch. We're talking money flows. Political interests. Industries with insane influence built up over decades. It's gonna be a battle for sure.

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I think it is crucial for governments to focus on developing infrastructure for technologies that are based on renewable energy... before fossil fuels run out. The global economy will collapse or it will become VERY expensive, if the supply of fossil fuel runs out.... and if there are no alternative to supplement or replace it.

I also think a hybrid system can utilize the best of both worlds... so you can drive on petrol and electricity to increase your driving distances and also to reduce the transport cost and still use fossil fuel and use "clean" energy. (Solar / Wind / Hydro ....etc) Wink

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in accordance with the increasing use of energy by humans, if we only stick to the use of fossil energy, then of course fossil energy will run out quickly because it is non-renewable energy. moreover, large-scale use in industry, apart from accelerating the exhaustion of fossil energy supplies, will also lead to an increase in carbon dioxide, which will further exacerbate global warming.

so like it or not, we have to be able to switch to renewable energy such as wind, water, solar or geothermal energy, to be able to produce energy that will be used in various sectors. because if we only survive using fossil energy, we will not be able to meet global energy needs.

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Quote from: poodle63 on March 01, 2024, 09:53:44 PM

im on the positive view they probably want their citizen to diversify the use of energy not centralized around one so if one of the energy comes short it won't cause crisis i think thats what they are trying to do but considering the fact that they pushing electricity that hard could probably mean there are conspiracy theory but conspiracy theory is just a theory without sufficiend proof backing it up.
if you don't really feel the need to switch over you shouldn't things can change slowly instead of forcing and will just cause you to run out of your money real quick.
after all as you said if its for environment sake majority of electricity generated still use coal, unless they deploy nuclear reactor that could produce lesser carbon footprint then we are talking about switching over to EV or something like that.
but so far, if the infrastructure insufficient and the stuff with electricity still priced high I don't think its good idea for average people.

The conspiracy was that for many centuries we were forced to use only fossil fuel energy, the deposits of which were owned only by certain individuals and made multi-billion dollar fortunes from it. Therefore, they strictly ensured that the inventors of other types of energy and their inventions quickly died and disappeared. Now all of humanity is paying for this with rapid climate change throughout the planet. The temperature has already risen by about one and a half degrees, and this simply leads to catastrophic changes in everything. Scientists predict that soon people will be forced to flee from territories in which it will no longer be possible to live. At the same time, large areas of land will go under water, and the problem of drinking water will worsen. Fires, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes will become commonplace. Only after this will it dawn on some that the current problems with the transition to alternative energy sources were absolutely minor in comparison, which resulted in a reluctance to avoid influencing climate change. But unfortunately, it will be too late...

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I do agree that this has no benefit to any big name to make some conspiracy theories, like lets assume that all those people who are claiming that the world will end, what are they gaining from saying that? I have seen a lot of people say the same thing about Greta Thunberg or whatever that girls name is, we could see that she could be a little brainwashed, someone at that age do not care about climate as much as she normally does, so it is a bit unusual I agree with that.

Let's assume that some adults brainwashed her. The real question is, why? What could you gain from brainwashing a kid to say all those things? What would anyone gain from it? Is this like... solar panel companies are doing it? I highly doubt that, believe me nobody gains anything from this.

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Quote from: Text on February 28, 2024, 08:26:00 AM

Governments that advocate for the transition to electric vehicles and renewable energy sources are often driven by the objective of reducing carbon emissions and addressing climate change.

Quote from: poodle63 on February 28, 2024, 10:03:33 PM

whats more important than running out of fossil fuel is the carbon emission that it produced

Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on February 29, 2024, 12:11:00 PM

I think it has more to do with carbon emission, the government of your country wants to rapidly move to renewable source of energy, that is why maybe I feel they've instructed manufacturers to sort of produce some of the equipments that will use more of electricity instead of gasoline.

It might be true if you have nuclear power plants, but the problem is that it's only present in 32 countries (source). Moreover, it's so regulated that not all of us can have the technology. 3rd worlders which account for most of earth's population still use coal. So using electric-powered items only moves away carbon emissions to these power plants.

Quote from: Cookdata on February 28, 2024, 04:32:03 PM

I was listening to one conference about "How to increase throughput of distillation of crude oil" and one professor made a statement that he is always amaze by how people talk about fossil fuels sometimes, some comments are so funny that he just assume people are too ignorant of what they don't know. He said that anytime people say crude oil is going to deplete and oil well will dry up, then that's a big fat lie. The oil and gas reservoirs are so enormous in large quantities that they are not going down even after his grand children becomes parent, theoretically is not possible.

I think your government are trying to promote free green house effects which is good. We are been warned about the global house warming, it's affecting our health and some are a very big disasters in some communities where crude oil are been drill. However, it's becoming difficult for some countries to readjust and that's because their main source of revenue is crude oil, we need to adapt to new tech for our own good, our own safety and good health.

I'm aware of this kind of opinion. It's similar to the opinion that we just don't find new explorable reservoirs because of the cost and technology. But it's there waiting for us to get it...

Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 28, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I don't get how we can be "controlled" by using more electric stuff and even be able to generate our own electricity.

Most people just don't have humongous solar panels installed on their roofs. If "they" disconnect the electricity, you can't do anything if all your tools are powered by electricity.

Quote from: bitterguy28 on February 29, 2024, 06:35:26 PM

time to what mate? Grin

electrical products work just as well if not even better than their counterparts

Time to enjoy and don't give a f*ck Grin

Yea, try to use a wok for your induction stove...

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 28, 2024, 07:49:49 AM

The government, at least in my country, has been aggressively promoting the shift from gasoline vehicles to electric vehicles, LPG stoves to electric stoves, and so on. Anything without electricity as the power source is now labeled as "bad." I find it frustrating for two reasons: firstly, it requires more money to buy new items, and secondly, I'm skeptical that the new items will perform as well as my old ones. Electric stoves lack satisfaction, and electric vehicles may struggle with long distances, among other concerns.

Some conspiracy theories suggest that this is a strategy by organizations like the WEF to control us. What are your thoughts? Is there a genuine and urgent need to embrace renewable energy, or is it merely a directive for the masses, giving time for the elite to stockpile valuable resources? I don't think it's about carbon emission though, since the electricity used is from coal generators... "They" just don't want us to use LPG & gasoline.

im on the positive view they probably want their citizen to diversify the use of energy not centralized around one so if one of the energy comes short it won't cause crisis i think thats what they are trying to do but considering the fact that they pushing electricity that hard could probably mean there are conspiracy theory but conspiracy theory is just a theory without sufficiend proof backing it up.
if you don't really feel the need to switch over you shouldn't things can change slowly instead of forcing and will just cause you to run out of your money real quick.
after all as you said if its for environment sake majority of electricity generated still use coal, unless they deploy nuclear reactor that could produce lesser carbon footprint then we are talking about switching over to EV or something like that.
but so far, if the infrastructure insufficient and the stuff with electricity still priced high I don't think its good idea for average people.

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No commodity is running out any time soon, they will all be available now and in a century or more. The point is to increase efficiency away from burning carbon based fuels, this could have been done a long time ago with nuclear power but not everyone wants to handle that kind of power and responsibilities required with its waste etc.

Theres no real conspiracy to take away power from people, most of us are not able to harvest oil based fuels ourselves. At best our nation as a whole has some oil or gas or coal but overall its rarely about power to the people especially. In future running your own solar or wind power might make a population of people far less dependent on central power companies; nobody can block your access to the sun really and similarly the wind is quite available to all in many areas. Hydro is more controversial but I'd argue in future people will become more free without combustion engines, it will take time and development to improve technology for many years.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 28, 2024, 07:49:49 AM

The government, at least in my country, has been aggressively promoting the shift from gasoline vehicles to electric vehicles, LPG stoves to electric stoves, and so on. Anything without electricity as the power source is now labeled as "bad." I find it frustrating for two reasons: firstly, it requires more money to buy new items, and secondly, I'm skeptical that the new items will perform as well as my old ones. Electric stoves lack satisfaction, and electric vehicles may struggle with long distances, among other concerns.

Some conspiracy theories suggest that this is a strategy by organizations like the WEF to control us. What are your thoughts? Is there a genuine and urgent need to embrace renewable energy, or is it merely a directive for the masses, giving time for the elite to stockpile valuable resources? I don't think it's about carbon emission though, since the electricity used is from coal generators... "They" just don't want us to use LPG & gasoline.

Electric motors and electric cars are currently more of an environmentally friendly factor that does not cause pollution. not because the petroleum factor is running out. because for now oil production in middle eastern countries or Arab countries is still high and plentiful.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 28, 2024, 07:49:49 AM

"They" just don't want us to use LPG & gasoline.

If your country is a country that is not a country that produces gasoline and LPG, then depend on other countries, you would notice that the government will be more interested in reducing the dependence on LPG and gasoline and shifting to electricity that they can generate. You also know that with an increased usage of electrical appliance both now for cooking and in charging of your cars, your electricity tariff increases so that also benefits the government because the more electrical things you have that require electricity, the higher tariff they can generate from your usage.

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While the professor might be right about massive oil reserves lasting a while, dismissing concerns completely is like burying your head in the sand. Even if there's a ton of oil out there, it's not like a magic well that never runs dry, right? Eventually, it'll all be used up. Plus, burning all that oil is messing with the climate, leading to crazy weather and health problems – not exactly a recipe for a chill future.

Some countries rely heavily on oil for their income. But clinging to the past like a life raft won't help. We gotta adapt, homie. Investing in green energy and new tech might seem tough, but it's like learning a new skill – challenging, but worth it in the long run.

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As I understand it, even if we switch to clean energy fuels, we cannot meet consumption levels. We have many different solutions as well as finding fossil fuel sources with large enough reserves to survive centuries.

But it's still realistic that when they run out (we don't know exactly when), civilization may have actually progressed very differently from what it is now. I can feel that some things are being applied in a too sophisticated and complicated way, the application of quantum physics in life has not been exploited much. So, in parallel, regenerating the earth, colonizing planets, improving human intelligence,... are all difficult solutions at the present time but will be the direction for us to solve the problem.

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It can be what you're thinking about but there is less of a chance to do it. Actually world's population is increasing very rapidly and the fossil fuels are continuously used up since decades.As we all know these are not unlimited so we have to be careful while using them.People their selves don't bother to save the fossils or use it according to need because it requires a lot of sense of responsibility.Then organisations have to come into play because they know how to make people survive in this world.

The second side of the coin is also true to some extent.The big powers might think of converting people to renewable and storing the fuels for their usage.Thats almost out of our reach to have an eye on that so let's try to find our comfort zone and just live in it rather then thinking too much.

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Quote from: blckhawk on March 01, 2024, 04:29:40 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on February 28, 2024, 07:57:00 AM

My personal opinion on whether fossil fuels are running out or if it is exaggerated by governments & campaigners is that it is exaggerated. Fossil fuel reserves are finite & will eventually be depleted but the rate at which this occurs is influenced by various things. The environmental impact of fossil fuels & the need to transition to cleaner energy sources is quite important. The overall consensus is that diversifying our energy mix & reducing reliance on fossil fuels is crucial for a sustainable future but I do think that the whole ESG & green movement do exaggerate & FUD about fossil fuels.

The depletion of fossil fuels is going to be more rampant now even though there's a lot of renewable energy and nuclear energy that's being utilized now, a lot of countries are going back to using fossil fuels, the biggest story that I've seen in years is that Germany is going back to using coal for a reliable energy source but I don't believe that because they've also shutdown their last nuclear power plant and there's probably other countries out there that's following suit to what Germany has been doin, and the answer for OP's question is that it's not going to run out anytime in our lifetime at least, there's about billions of years of life that's existed before us which means that there's a lot of buried carbon somewhere on this planet not to mention that oil is still the most used fuel for cars and there's still a lot of oil deposits that aren't completely untapped by refineries.

I think we still have time too because even if these countries are going back to fossil fuels, the hydroelectric powerplants, geothermal plants, solar powerplants and windmills won't just suddenly stop working so with a split like that where people are still using other means of creating electricity and using different fuel, fossil fuels won't easily run out.

Fossil fuel running out is perhaps due to the fact that many people have upgraded their energy demands or had to resort to using alternatives as the recent development emerged.
There's still time and until many borders decide to delve fully into renewable sources, there will still be those in their regions that depend on the use of fossil fuel for daily survival because that's what their current economic situation can afford.

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Quote from: Volimack on March 01, 2024, 05:11:56 AM

Coal was the main driving force of the industrial revolution. Later renewable fuels such as oil or gas were gradually discovered. Today's world is hard to imagine without electricity. Most of the electricity is generated by burning these fossil fuels. Just what electricity people are constantly running around the world. The vehicles for this run are powered by fossil fuels no matter how you look at it fossil fuels have contributed greatly to this advance in civilization.

I beg your pardon, but are you sure that gas and oil are renewable sources?! They're as much fossil fuels as coal.
As of 2022, the overall picture of resources that generate electricity is as follows:
In relative units, %
Oil 0.4
Gas 12.3
Coal 5.2
Atom 13.1
Hydro 60.4
Renewable 7.9
Other 0.7

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Coal was the main driving force of the industrial revolution. Later renewable fuels such as oil or gas were gradually discovered. Today's world is hard to imagine without electricity. Most of the electricity is generated by burning these fossil fuels. Just what electricity people are constantly running around the world. The vehicles for this run are powered by fossil fuels no matter how you look at it fossil fuels have contributed greatly to this advance in civilization.

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