Is Germany getting near the end? - page 2.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on December 21, 2016, 08:45:56 PM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2444494/germany-martial-law-war-angela-merkel-berlin-truck/

In a radio interview, Klaus Bouillon of Merkel’s CDU party said that Germany was in a “state of war”

Ministers on both sides of the political divide: “We must state that we are in a state of war, although some people who want to see only the good can not see.”

Any Germans here that can shed some more light on this situation or someone who's more informed about this?

They are in a state of war but it is unlikely to become a civil war with huge number of the population going against each other. This is not a war with everything is waged just like a war on freedom and patriotism. This kind of war is more likely a rebellion and the event has occurred successively. The state to combat this violence needs to declare a state of war or a state of emergency so the government can exercise its military power to combat the rebel groups.

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Germany is not nearing the end. Yes, they are divided but what country in the West isn't today? Germany has a good industry, it's a wqell developed country.

The only thing nearing the end is Merkel, she overplayed her hand and people now are calling her bluff. Finally.

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Quote from: PetroffVany on December 23, 2016, 03:53:41 PM

They do not go because among the refugees, the bulk of the lousy people. If you are a normal person you have to defend your homeland instead of hiding as refugees. In addition, they do not want to work. Their dream is to live in a rich country on welfare.

And the biggest joke is that almost 90% of these rapefugees are adult males. That means that they fled Syria and Afghanistan to Germany, leaving behind their wives, sisters, and children to the mercy of the ISIS.

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Quote from: s0nix on March 03, 2017, 06:08:57 PM

Quote from: Fortify on December 22, 2016, 04:20:58 AM

This looks like opaque Russian propaganda. Even if the politics are rubbish right now, Germany is going nowhere and is still the main powerhouse in Europe. I constantly see this lame undercurrent in the politics forum of subtle and twisted threads pushing the agenda that Russia is good, West is bad. Except it's not, the rest of the world sees that every day and it's laughable to suggest.

Exactly

I agree with you. A lot of Russian trolls, but we not to give them a free feel. As for Germany they are doing very well and Merkel will remain for the next term, and in France will lead to criminal proceedings at all about Putin's candidates. The Russians lose this battle.

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Quote from: Fortify on December 22, 2016, 04:20:58 AM

This looks like opaque Russian propaganda. Even if the politics are rubbish right now, Germany is going nowhere and is still the main powerhouse in Europe. I constantly see this lame undercurrent in the politics forum of subtle and twisted threads pushing the agenda that Russia is good, West is bad. Except it's not, the rest of the world sees that every day and it's laughable to suggest.

Exactly

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Quote from: Tyrantt on December 22, 2016, 06:07:14 PM

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 22, 2016, 07:38:35 AM

Radicals are directly responsible, ALL Muslims are indirectly responsible.

the people who import muslims into europe are responsible

Who allow mass immigration without any background check on who and what they are.

The worst thing that uncontrolled migration could destroy the European Union, but no one does not fight with it. Why? I'm sure that is not the problem in Syria to create a guarded refugee camp and keep them there.

That's just one thing that's going to destroy it among other things, the second one may be that the rich countries are sick of giving money to the poor ones. Well you know there are a lot of other rich muslim countries nearby, why didn't they go there? hm....

They do not go because among the refugees, the bulk of the lousy people. If you are a normal person you have to defend your homeland instead of hiding as refugees. In addition, they do not want to work. Their dream is to live in a rich country on welfare.

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Quote from: Tyrantt on December 22, 2016, 06:10:49 PM

Quote from: merchantofzeny on December 22, 2016, 02:30:31 PM

Looks like Europe is ripe for another Fascist movement. My aunt is working in Italy and they're constantly complaining about misbehaving immigrants. We've seen far right parties starting to become more prominent and get more popular support. If they don't change their immigration policies, things could get even uglier.

not a fascist movement, but rather an uprising of people against the terror and we can even now see the rise of the Right-wing parties in various countries. An to be honest, I like what I see, countries have lost their identities, they're all the same. I hope that EU union (4th Reich falls apart).

The vast majority of the EU population remains thoroughly brainwashed by the liberal propaganda dished out from various mainstream media channels. And most of the females are supporters of the radical feminist ideology, which want to replace the native men with Muslim immigrants. A perfect example is the defeat of Norbert Hofer in Austria.

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Quote from: merchantofzeny on December 22, 2016, 02:30:31 PM

Looks like Europe is ripe for another Fascist movement. My aunt is working in Italy and they're constantly complaining about misbehaving immigrants. We've seen far right parties starting to become more prominent and get more popular support. If they don't change their immigration policies, things could get even uglier.

not a fascist movement, but rather an uprising of people against the terror and we can even now see the rise of the Right-wing parties in various countries. An to be honest, I like what I see, countries have lost their identities, they're all the same. I hope that EU union (4th Reich falls apart).

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Quote from: varyspro on December 22, 2016, 12:01:04 PM

Quote from: Tyrantt on December 22, 2016, 11:56:48 AM

Quote from: saddampbuh on December 22, 2016, 09:15:35 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 22, 2016, 07:38:35 AM

Radicals are directly responsible, ALL Muslims are indirectly responsible.

the people who import muslims into europe are responsible

Who allow mass immigration without any background check on who and what they are.

The worst thing that uncontrolled migration could destroy the European Union, but no one does not fight with it. Why? I'm sure that is not the problem in Syria to create a guarded refugee camp and keep them there.

That's just one thing that's going to destroy it among other things, the second one may be that the rich countries are sick of giving money to the poor ones. Well you know there are a lot of other rich muslim countries nearby, why didn't they go there? hm....

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Quote from: merchantofzeny on December 22, 2016, 02:30:31 PM

Looks like Europe is ripe for another Fascist movement. My aunt is working in Italy and they're constantly complaining about misbehaving immigrants. We've seen far right parties starting to become more prominent and get more popular support. If they don't change their immigration policies, things could get even uglier.

It's weird that you would say that, since the Anti-Fascists are the biggest fascists Pepe can currently think of.
Just because something is Far-Right, Pro-White, Pro-Nation doesn't make them "Fascists".

Let's not forget that Hitler was more than anything else a SOCIALIST.
Which makes him a total LEFTY in Pepe's book.

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Quote from: merchantofzeny on December 22, 2016, 02:30:31 PM

Looks like Europe is ripe for another Fascist movement. My aunt is working in Italy and they're constantly complaining about misbehaving immigrants. We've seen far right parties starting to become more prominent and get more popular support. If they don't change their immigration policies, things could get even uglier.

It seems to me that it is already difficult to rectify the situation. For some reason it seems that for all its outward intolerance of Russia Merkel sold out to Putin. All its actions are aimed at the collapse of the European Union.

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Looks like Europe is ripe for another Fascist movement. My aunt is working in Italy and they're constantly complaining about misbehaving immigrants. We've seen far right parties starting to become more prominent and get more popular support. If they don't change their immigration policies, things could get even uglier.

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Quote from: Kvazimoda on December 22, 2016, 01:19:08 PM

Merkel has made for Putin no less a service. Europe is flooded with refugees and triggered its collapse. And what politicians say I don't believe. I judge by deeds.

A Muslim-majority Europe (i.e the European Union) will be more hostile to Russia than a secular or Christian Europe. And Putin knows this well. That is why he is supporting various anti-immigrant political parties in the EU (such as the Front National of France, AfD of Germany, the PVV of Netherlands, FPO of Austria and the Lega Nord of Italy).

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Quote from: coolcoinz on December 22, 2016, 01:38:16 PM

Germany is doing better than France at the moment, but both these countries are doomed if they don't start thinking about their migration policy. And by thinking I mean taking extreme measures. Every migrant should be given an ultimatum, either they comply with the laws or they can GTFO. Any insubordination should result in deportation to the country of origin.

The problem is that these migrants may spoil those who are already living in Europe. Even after the deportation of all migrants, the attacks will not stop. Need to deal not only with migrants but also by Islam in Europe.

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Germany is doing better than France at the moment, but both these countries are doomed if they don't start thinking about their migration policy. And by thinking I mean taking extreme measures. Every migrant should be given an ultimatum, either they comply with the laws or they can GTFO. Any insubordination should result in deportation to the country of origin.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2016, 12:50:34 PM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on December 22, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

Do not be surprised if Merkel after the end of his term will go to work in Gazprom.

Merkel will get a job from the Qatargas, once she is defeated in the 2017 federal elections. Gazprom will never consider her, as she is one of the most Russophobic politicians in the world right now. And also, why they need another German, when Gerhard Schröder is doing such a good job?

Schroeder is a waste material. He has done his job when lobbied for the Nord stream. Merkel has made for Putin no less a service. Europe is flooded with refugees and triggered its collapse. And what politicians say I don't believe. I judge by deeds.

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Quote from: DimidoffVany on December 22, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

Do not be surprised if Merkel after the end of his term will go to work in Gazprom.

Merkel will get a job from the Qatargas, once she is defeated in the 2017 federal elections. Gazprom will never consider her, as she is one of the most Russophobic politicians in the world right now. And also, why they need another German, when Gerhard Schröder is doing such a good job?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2016, 12:35:30 PM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on December 22, 2016, 12:20:39 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2016, 12:11:10 PM

Quote from: Fortify on December 22, 2016, 04:20:58 AM

This looks like opaque Russian propaganda. Even if the politics are rubbish right now, Germany is going nowhere and is still the main powerhouse in Europe. I constantly see this lame undercurrent in the politics forum of subtle and twisted threads pushing the agenda that Russia is good, West is bad. Except it's not, the rest of the world sees that every day and it's laughable to suggest.

It is laughable to blame Russia for internal issues in Germany. It was Merkel who invited the Syrians and Iraqis to come to Germany. She was hoping for a Nobel Peace prize... but unfortunately someone else won it. Now I don't understand Russia's role here.

And who provoked the conflict of this scale in Syria? Of course Merkel's fault that she allowed the "locusts" in Europe. Only it does not remove the blame from Russia. Zhirinovsky even said that in the interests of Russia to the war in Syria never ends.

It was the NATO which provoked the civil war in Syria (in 2012), when they funded the Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups so that they could overthrow Assad. Russia, on the other hand got involved only in 2015.

Can certainly they financed the rebels, but you forgot that Russia financed the Assad regime. In addition, NATO was not at war in Syria. So Russia is to blame in this conflict. Do not be surprised if Merkel after the end of his term will go to work in Gazprom.

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Quote from: DimidoffVany on December 22, 2016, 12:20:39 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2016, 12:11:10 PM

Quote from: Fortify on December 22, 2016, 04:20:58 AM

This looks like opaque Russian propaganda. Even if the politics are rubbish right now, Germany is going nowhere and is still the main powerhouse in Europe. I constantly see this lame undercurrent in the politics forum of subtle and twisted threads pushing the agenda that Russia is good, West is bad. Except it's not, the rest of the world sees that every day and it's laughable to suggest.

It is laughable to blame Russia for internal issues in Germany. It was Merkel who invited the Syrians and Iraqis to come to Germany. She was hoping for a Nobel Peace prize... but unfortunately someone else won it. Now I don't understand Russia's role here.

And who provoked the conflict of this scale in Syria? Of course Merkel's fault that she allowed the "locusts" in Europe. Only it does not remove the blame from Russia. Zhirinovsky even said that in the interests of Russia to the war in Syria never ends.

It was the NATO which provoked the civil war in Syria (in 2012), when they funded the Al Qaeda and other Islamist groups so that they could overthrow Assad. Russia, on the other hand got involved only in 2015.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 22, 2016, 12:11:10 PM

Quote from: Fortify on December 22, 2016, 04:20:58 AM

This looks like opaque Russian propaganda. Even if the politics are rubbish right now, Germany is going nowhere and is still the main powerhouse in Europe. I constantly see this lame undercurrent in the politics forum of subtle and twisted threads pushing the agenda that Russia is good, West is bad. Except it's not, the rest of the world sees that every day and it's laughable to suggest.

It is laughable to blame Russia for internal issues in Germany. It was Merkel who invited the Syrians and Iraqis to come to Germany. She was hoping for a Nobel Peace prize... but unfortunately someone else won it. Now I don't understand Russia's role here.

And who provoked the conflict of this scale in Syria? Of course Merkel's fault that she allowed the "locusts" in Europe. Only it does not remove the blame from Russia. Zhirinovsky even said that in the interests of Russia to the war in Syria never ends.

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