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December 14, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
#21
But nowadays it feels like you get nothing interesting. Like there's something that muds everything up. Like all the content you want to get to is filtered out, and content that is pushed on you is added in.
One word: Money.
In recent years Google has been very aggressive with monetizing all its platforms with ads, look at youtube it's so infuriating to use without ad-block. Google basically now caters to its stakeholder's interests like certain websites search results are probably "promoted" hence why they show up before others. Also, google's personalized ads are basically a privacy nightmare. And they have also been aggressively blocking a lot of content recently.
Really if you want unbiased search results it's better to use some other search engine like DuckDuckGo which supposedly doesn't track, even Bing is probably.
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September 24, 2021, 11:54:00 PM
#20
I remember back when I first started using the Internet. You could google something and it would give you back the most surprising results. Surfing through google felt like a journey of discovery.


But nowadays it feels like you get nothing interesting. Like there's something that muds everything up. Like all the content you want to get to is filtered out, and content that is pushed on you is added in.


Is it just me, or did Google really transform over the years? I don't use google to find anything original anymore. In fact it feels like google buries original thought as much as it can, even within the websites that it does own (like YouTube for example).

fully agreed. I understood it was doomed when I read the EUA of Blogger... specially the list of subjects that were forbidden to be mentioned. In itself it wouldn't be a problem if all the western search engine had fallen to the nwo/uno/pedo/vaxxer/addanyflavorofbetrayal, it's that then a lot of people in one person , one vote, system, are too dumb to even understand what you wrote. they only discovered internet to fuck or cheat with facebook... plebians...
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April 14, 2021, 11:04:23 AM
#19
There are other search engines. duckduckgo.com is popular because they don't track you and it is pretty good.
Is it as good as advertised though, or are they moving away from their advertised purpose of existence (anti-tracking) towards other kind of goals, equal to the removal of Google's "Don't be evil" slogan? I've previously talked about DDG removing OpenStreetMaps and leaving Apple as the only option left for maps and it's a quite annoying and suspicious move.

Having replied to one of your threads a few months ago, have you given any of the other mentioned privacy-focused search engines a try?
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April 14, 2021, 10:19:35 AM
#18
Some times ago a friend I came into a news article regarding Ecosia.org search engine and am using it lately (I abandoned google for privacy reasonss long time ago and using duckduckgo since then) : they claim the plant trees with part of their earnings anf there is a tree logo counter on top right of search page that is updated with the , alleged, number of trees planted thanks to my research that give me a feeling of satisfaction and contentment every time I see it growing up.
Also had a look at their privacy policy and , beside some standards you can find in everyone else ones, I didn't find the worrying stuff you can find in google ones.
Did a bit of search to verify if what they claim to do is true ( just a quick search to be honest) and I didn't find evidence they are out to scam.
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April 14, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
#17
I'm very pissed off about my cat dying. I understand it's unlikely it's the vaccine but I'd love to be able to use the google of the early 2000s instead of what we have today to easily find out more about the issue.

There are other search engines. duckduckgo.com is popular because they don't track you and it is pretty good.
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April 14, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
#16
Real world example of why I posted this in Ivory Tower.

My cat just died a few days after receiving a vaccine. The mainstream narrative for vaccines is that they are so fucking safe. I'm not an anti vaxxer in fact I just got my first shot of the covid-19 vaccine this very day.


It seems that searching for the issue of cats suddenly dying after vaccines what I'm looking for has to leak through quite a lot of Google's filters. It's all really fresh and I'll still be looking.

I'm very pissed off about my cat dying. I understand it's unlikely it's the vaccine but I'd love to be able to use the google of the early 2000s instead of what we have today to easily find out more about the issue.
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March 12, 2021, 10:20:10 AM
#15
Definitely, Google really changed so much throughout the year. I believe that its not just a normal search engine with emails and other stuffs but not part of something bigger and scarier. No longer used google and swap to a lesser evil engine. Ever since I watched the Snowden, I became skeptical about this search engine and emails. Rather to be safe than sorry right? Also tons of ads right now - really hate it.
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February 03, 2021, 02:27:31 PM
#14
good luck trying to find accurate information on products, seo has ruined that and first page nothing but affiliate links, streming movies are gone you need to use duckduckgo for that, also a lot of controversial political stuff is manually booted down the rankings, google still useful for some things but not what it was
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December 15, 2020, 02:04:21 AM
#13
That's weird did you use the same exact search terms?

I wanted to write a longer post, but I didn't have time when I've seen this. And then I forgot. Apologies.
Now I've got a hopefully better idea: an image is better than 1000 words.  Wink

All in all, it's the same query, I've done copy/paste. Now the results have changed a little, but smh.com is still not in the list.
I won't insert the image(s) here, but I'll put 2 links. If you can see good enough the first one, ignore the second since it's just at a different browser zoom. The first one contains more results, but maybe too small font.

https://imgur.com/JZe8Z7Q
https://imgur.com/GZYuw6n

So here's what I think is a big part of this. Google has approved sources of information, corporate media, dictionaries, learning sites and they get pushed up like crazy.
Google also has blacklisted sources that get buried in the second third or 500th page.

That's correct and what @20kevin20 said is also correct. The pushing, the blacklists, .. depend on your location and the way Google identifies you/your browser.


I've done web search since the days of Altavista and Hotbot and believe me, with all these minuses, Google is still very good compared to that.
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December 12, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
#12
You might be getting different results due to different locations and/or browser data. If you have cookies stored, they might impact search results. Location also matters for some engines: DuckDuckGo, for example, changes results based on it.
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December 12, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
#11
Edit: I've also tried it.
Google did return as you said, Bing didn't. And, even worse, exactly your first result (smh) is missing in my list.
I get:
Code:
1. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cyclicalunemployment.asp
2. https://www.thebalance.com/cyclical-unemployment-3305520
3. https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/unemployment-its-measurement-and-types.html
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_creation_program
5. https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/economics/unemployment/

That's weird did you use the same exact search terms?

I searched it again and here is what I get with Bing:

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/can-i-get-unemployment-after-quitting-or-refusing-my-job-heres-what-to-know.html
2. https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/breaking-the-cycle-of-intergenerational-unemployment-20171211-p4yxlf.html
3. https://www.khanacademy.org/..........*snip
4. https://standtogetherfoundation.org/understanding-unemployment-work-job/
5. https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/over-26-million-unemployment-claims-filed-in-just-5-weeks

And Google

1. https://www.khanacademy.org/....*snip
2. https://www.khanacademy.org/....*snip
3. https://www.thebalance.com/types-of-unemployment-3305522
4. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/050715/what-difference-between-structural-unemployment-and-cyclical-unemployment.asp
5. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cyclicalunemployment.asp
6. https://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/fchan/macro/2unemployment.htm
7. https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/economics/cyclical-unemployment/

I'm not saying that Bing is as great as google used to be, it's not, they clearly have some of the same filters.

The difference would also be more obvious if we included the first 100 search results and rated them on different metrics.
Metrics likes matches (where we find what we were looking for), and relative relevancy for those who are close.
Instead of that it's easier just to skim a few pages and compare and see if you found anything good, but that's really biased.

We can try different searches too, if there is something someone here really wants to look for.

Even places like YouTube seem to bury stuff. I think Google is burying a lot of the things people are looking for, basically censoring certain sources.

The one example I currently have in mind is a Thunderf00t who is on YouTube, he made a video searching for himself and his videos with his exact titles (if I recall correctly) and he wasn't very visible on the google results even though YouTube is a company owned by Google and he showed up in the results on YouTube. I kind find it now but I'll try and track the video down.


So here's what I think is a big part of this. Google has approved sources of information, corporate media, dictionaries, learning sites and they get pushed up like crazy.
Google also has blacklisted sources that get buried in the second third or 500th page.

Google also only let me see 17  pages of results, Bing let me see 57 pages. Google didn't list the amount of results but it's ~10 per page, so just 170.
Bing let me see 770 and no more than that.


I gotta go now.

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December 11, 2020, 01:30:13 AM
#10
I noticed that Bing is a little more like Google used to be.

Many searches yield similar results, but here's one where they really yield different answers.

Interesting. I'll keep this in mind for next time Google doesn't find anything useful; then I'll see what Bing can do for me. Thanks.

Edit: I've also tried it.
Google did return as you said, Bing didn't. And, even worse, exactly your first result (smh) is missing in my list.
I get:
Code:
1. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cyclicalunemployment.asp
2. https://www.thebalance.com/cyclical-unemployment-3305520
3. https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/unemployment-its-measurement-and-types.html
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_creation_program
5. https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/economics/unemployment/
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December 10, 2020, 11:57:55 PM
#9
Google has clearly changed, that's already covered, but the websites have changed too. Many have "google optimizations" that allows their crap get to you easier than the things you are looking for.
So the problem is bigger than "just" Google.

I do search on the internet a lot.
Luckily for me, I still get in about 75% of the cases what I expect in a Google search.
On the other hand, disappointingly, DuckDuckGo was almost similar to Bing for me: way off my actual questions.

I noticed that Bing is a little more like Google used to be.

Many searches yield similar results, but here's one where they really yield different answers.

To preface this, I do have a job, I'm just searching out of curiosity.

The search is as follows: "cycle of unemployment in those who never had jobs"

The google results are all sites that are more popular, yet useless. They provide definitions, or theories that are not really relevant to the question.
The bing results are actually a lot more useful.

I believe google was more like Bing is now (although not at all the same).

Try it, I wonder if you'll come to the same conclusions.


I'll list the results from each site for that same exact search.


Google: cycle of unemployment in those who never had jobs

1. Khan Academy Lesson: Irrelevant
           https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/ap-macroeconomics/economic-iondicators-and-the-business-cycle/unemployment/a/lesson-summary-unemployment
2. Khan Academy Lesson: Irrelevant
           https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/macroeconomics/macro-economic-indicators-and-the-business-cycle/macro-unemployment/a/lesson-summary-unemployment?modal=1
3. Investopedia: Barely relevant
          https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/050715/what-difference-between-structural-unemployment-and-cyclical-unemployment.asp
4.Investopedia: Barely relevant
          https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/050715/what-difference-between-structural-unemployment-and-cyclical-unemployment.asp
5. The Balance: Barely relevant
          https://www.thebalance.com/types-of-unemployment-3305522


Bing: cycle of unemployment in those who never had jobs (same search)

1. smh.com: Highly Relevant
        https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/breaking-the-cycle-of-intergenerational-unemployment-20171211-p4yxlf.html
2. CNBC: Irrelevant
         https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/can-i-get-unemployment-after-quitting-or-refusing-my-job-heres-what-to-know.html
3. Stand Together Foundation: Highly Relevant (Result leads to different page, unless the cached page is accessed, I will use the cached page as the url of the search result in any such cases)
           https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=cycle+of+unemployment+in+those+who+never+had+jobs&d=4533312323323726&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=7WyVH72kzmINg0wYGs7XaToj500NDPA3
4. Khan Academy Lesson: Irrelevant
          https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/ap-macroeconomics/economic-iondicators-and-the-business-cycle/unemployment/a/lesson-summary-unemployment
5. thestreet.com: Barely Relevant
 https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/over-26-million-unemployment-claims-filed-in-just-5-weeks


I don't want to rate more than the first few results because I'm pressed for time

However Bing did manage to dig up something useful in the first 5 results even if the page was the cached version:

Here's an excerpt:

Quote
Long-term unemployment is defined as looking for work for 27 weeks or more – roughly six months. Once someone hits the six-month mark, they are less attractive to potential employers and are less likely to find a job. The economy also significantly influences long-term unemployment. The percentage of unemployed workers who were seeking employment for longer than six months doubled between 2007 and 2013 to almost 40 percent of the unemployed.

But, it’s not just an economic problem. The consequences of long-term unemployment are manifold. Joblessness is correlated with poor nutrition and health, as well as high property crime. Unemployment has detrimental effects not just on someone’s finances, but also on their psyche. The effects of unemployment on mental health are significant. Depression is more common in the unemployed – occurring at more than twice the rate than those with full-time work. For the long-term unemployed, it’s even higher. Unemployment is also commonly associated with anxiety and low self-esteem.

It makes sense. A job is a defining part of our existence. We spend more time working than doing almost anything else. It gives us meaning, purpose, and a livelihood. The loss of a job and unemployment come riddled with self-doubt, hopelessness, and despair. And, the barriers to overcome unemployment grow larger with time.

In the Google of the past I wouldn't expect all that garbage clogging up result space. Bing is about the same as google but to me it looks like the results are more similar to what Google was in the past.


I can't prove it but it feels like search engines nowadays are pushing results rather then serving them up. Kind of like here is what is promoted and cleared for these terms rather than here is what is showing up in the database.

          
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December 05, 2020, 02:19:08 AM
#8
Google has clearly changed, that's already covered, but the websites have changed too. Many have "google optimizations" that allows their crap get to you easier than the things you are looking for.
So the problem is bigger than "just" Google.

I do search on the internet a lot.
Luckily for me, I still get in about 75% of the cases what I expect in a Google search.
On the other hand, disappointingly, DuckDuckGo was almost similar to Bing for me: way off my actual questions.
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December 05, 2020, 02:10:44 AM
#7
"Is Google different now?"


Hold on, I'm going to go ask Jeeves...

Yes.

Actually sometimes I miss the types of information "old internet" used to produce (except for banner ads :-)))
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October 14, 2020, 11:33:20 AM
#6
I am now using DuckDuckGo and it's much better, but I still find Google's engine the most accurate when it comes to results. The way their suggestions change based on what you looked up beforehand is weird though. I sometimes have moments when I say something (say Pug, the dog breed) out loud and when I go back to Google and write only the first 1-2 letters of the word, it comes up as the top autocomplete suggestion.

I am using DuckDuckGo hoping it'll improve in time as more people start using it as well. It feels like it did in the past year. It's just that I'd rather seek privacy than accurate results.

while writing this i just wrote 'president' and had to scroll down several 'feature snippets' before i got to the actual results.
this is all in the hope people click more then once per result
Most of the top engines out there do this - if you look up "president" on Bing or even DuckDuckGo, you'd find some "snippets" as well. I think it is more of a way to make their engines more user-friendly and convenient and a business gimmick at the same time, a 2-in-1, as a lot of people actually search using vague terms out of laziness. I often found those helpful tbh. The most annoying part with Google's search is on mobile, where between every few links you get about 7-8 other search suggestions instead of displaying the actual results.
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October 02, 2020, 10:35:00 AM
#5
another issue with google is. they know if they gave you the correct answer upfront. you will only click on one link. meaning they only get 1click revenue per search. so obviously by filling the search results with similar results meaning you have to click through 3-5 results to get the thing you want. well they now increased their click revenue by 3-5x. its simple business strategy

go to a car sales room and tell them you want a certain car. many will show you other options(upsells) first because they know if they only show you the thing you want and only the thing you want. then they wont get any extra from you

..
google used to just show you the links that fit the search. now you get the first half of results page as a wiki paragraph describing the search term. then the wiki links associated. then some associated image searches. then some news items... then 'what people ask for' then the sponsored results.. and finally the actual results

while writing this i just wrote 'president' and had to scroll down several 'feature snippets' before i got to the actual results.
this is all in the hope people click more then once per result
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September 30, 2020, 12:52:05 PM
#4
Google has changed. They used to say "Do no evil." That's no longer their motto.

I don't use Google anymore. Privacy, you know. I use Firefox now. It's search engine is just as good.
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September 27, 2020, 07:14:50 AM
#3
yep google at one point you could give it a question and it would give you an answer. but now that they want togive that as a separate service (like apples siri and amazons alexa) google is making it more difficult to just get the answer.

a few factors is the over purchasing of keywords which then link to sites nothing to do with those keywords. another factor is 10 years ago the number of websites per topic was alot lower. now it seems everyone has a blog/opinion post on every topic so it dilutes the critical/factual websites. and yes they are following the youtube policy of only displaying the most clicked links of a certain topic
ive seen youtube where you type in a celebrities name  and instead of getting their channel you get lots of high view videos of other people talking about the celeb where its mostly the big high view video of a certain event
in google if you type in a certain celebrity name. where you know they own a domain about themselves. the first links you get are not that celebrities own site. but instead the IMDB and wiki and then media websites/news websites.
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September 25, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
#2
I remember when I had to try out multiple pages and multiple search engines before finding what I was looking for. In time, google's search results have improved. But in the past 5-10 years it started going to shit again, I have to make use of google search operators much more often to find quickly what I need. I'd also blame spammers and marketers adjusting to the changing realities/incentives pushed by google, they're co-culpable in wasting the reader's time in their quest to maximize engagement/time spent and ad revenue.
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