Is having an alt account a crime ? Why red trust for having one ? - page 2.

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Accounts are proven alts, so if they enrolled the same yahoo's campaing they abused it

They used the same BTC address

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38QMoiXdgWJrgRRWhTBtZgtdrKKPeePem1

ACCOUNT: nikjain422

MSG https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27386110 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/eNgwA#selection-523.13-523.47

ACCOUNT: preditor422

MSG https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28070243 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/nzLt7#selection-1589.17-1589.51

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This story is interesting and all of you guys opinion are great. I think it is hard to guess the reasons why he got the red tag though since the account is not in the same campaign and the merit abuse is kinda acceptable for some and not for the others.

Maybe we need yahoo62278's word about his red tag and explain it further? I really hope he can come to this thread and tell us the reasons.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 01, 2018, 02:39:54 PM

Changed feedback to something more appropriate.

Current trust: "Abused merit system by sending merits to his admitted alt account.".
He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

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Changed feedback to something more appropriate. But I'm questioning why this member would send the same PM to Yahoo62278 asking the same question if he had no intention of getting both accounts into the same campaign. Either way I don't trust him, and the neg I just left is going to stay.

Marlboroza, I respect your opinion but I think a red tag is appropriate here.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 01, 2018, 02:50:50 PM

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

We can agree to that. If I didn't have nagging suspicions about this guy, I would have deleted the feedback altogether. I respect your position as well.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 01, 2018, 02:50:50 PM

He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

I would argue that it was never alright to send merits to your alt accounts. Yes, it was a new thing back in Jan/Feb, but it was obvious even then that meriting alts was not acceptable.

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Quote from: marlboroza on September 01, 2018, 01:41:06 PM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 01, 2018, 12:40:40 AM

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Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

Where is abuse part? Undecided

I don't see it and I can't find it.

You're right. It was contested in the OP, I overlooked that (I really hate phone screens!).

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For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.

This sounds like a very reasonable explanation, which should at least count as "reasonable doubt".

It seems like some people are now "collateral damage" from the large number of cheaters, spammers and copy/pasters, and the case against OP is far from airtight.

@OP: you should probably move (bottom-left) this thread to Reputation. Mods aren't going to help you, Reputation is the right board to discuss this.

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 01, 2018, 12:40:40 AM

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Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

Where is abuse part? Undecided

I don't see it and I can't find it.

For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.

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Quote from: HCP on August 31, 2018, 11:34:45 PM

I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.

Me neither! Collecting evidence is terrible on a phone, but I'll give it a shot.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 03, 2018, 09:24:21 PM

yahoo62278 identifies nikjain422 and preditor422 as being alts... both give each-other merits here and here

~~Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.~~

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I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.

Honestly, that "known alts" thread has turned into a total witch hunt and accounts are being "linked" on very circumstantial "evidence" Undecided

Note: can't comment on the supposed merit farming between the two 422 accounts... It doesn't show on the 120days merit report and no one archived it

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Quote from: TryNinja on August 31, 2018, 09:23:04 AM

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36254804

Yahoo's screenshot is solid proof of connection between OP and account preditor422.

Connection between OP and other 7-8 accounts is:

Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:06:33 AM

Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

This is not so hard to prove.

I don't see any of these accounts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002004.0;all or here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002007.0;all so looking at reference link, I figured there was another signature thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28977175

Looking at that screenshot https://imgur.com/kFjoDTp account predito422 was in Eroiy signature campaign while account nikjain422 was in EBCOIN signature campaign.

PM "do we have to apply again or we get in directly" indicates that someone who was already in Eroiy's campaign wants to know answer, and they probably logged in to wrong accounts.

So, question is - did both accounts enroll or have tried to enroll in campaign? My logic is telling me they figured that they sent PM from wrong account and then they sent identical PM from alt account only few minutes later.

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Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:27:41 AM

I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422 and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.

Of course you will never admit it and you only want to take nikjain422 back because it is the highest rank on your accounts and you cant afford to lose it because you know to yourself that you cant earn merit by posting shit.

Dude its just 10 merit's to be a "member" its not that hard if you learn how to use this forum properly.

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I have no problem if a member has another account because, for example, he needs it to represent his site/business. However, 99.9% of users with multiple accounts here don't use it to do highly desirable things. Years ago it wasn't a real problem to have more than 1 account here, it was acceptable. (I even think there was no problem if you were involved in the same campaign) But since people started to abuse the forum, most of the "normal" users don't appreciate it.
So don't complain about a situation you guys created yourselves.

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Quote from: TryNinja on August 31, 2018, 09:23:04 AM

Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:20:34 AM

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36254804

I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422 and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.

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Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:20:34 AM

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36254804

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Quote from: TryNinja on August 31, 2018, 09:12:22 AM

You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.

Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:06:33 AM

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.

Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

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Having alt account is not a crime but if you are using those alt-accounts for cheating the campaigns then it is a crime and you will get a red tag if DT found that.It looks you are enrolling your multiple accounts into a campaign gave you the red trust initially so other DT also can consider that you are an account farmer making accounts for joining on the bounties.
But once you red tag there is no difference in getting multiple times of them so don't worry about the new feedback it will be considered same as the old one.

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You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.

Quote from: nikjain422 on August 31, 2018, 09:06:33 AM

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.

Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.

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I do admit that I have one alt account but "The Pharmacist" blames me saying I am account farmer. I am not an account farmer and I don't know how should I prove it. I am sure he can't either. I do not deserve a red trust for this.
Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
I do respect yahoo but blaming me for the crimes which I have not done is not fair.

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