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legendary
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What do you think about Doge's case? It has existed from 2013 to the present, even earlier than ETH, and it is still at the top of CMC. Potential altcoins are said to have new technology and have use cases like LISK, EOS, and SOL... where are they? Did you see them? Investment is that we care about profit, if technology does not bring profit. Do you invest?

Fair point. If the biggest selling point of a coin is "new technology" that's always a risky investment, because there will always be some new coins with even better technology etc.

That's why I'm fairly calm about the future of Bitcoin. Through the first-mover advantage, it established itself as the No.1 crypto, with the highest recognition and (probably) the largest number of users. So it doesn't have to be the best, it just has to be good enough.
Meanwhile, coins like ETH have to compete with their utility/functionality, so if any new project emerges that is faster and cheaper, then there's no real reason to use ETH anymore.

As for DOGE - that's an outlier. It wasn't doing that great until it got propped up by Elon Musk.

Where is that BCI10 Index based? I can't find it on TradingView and would be interesting to look at. I can only find a "Crypto 100 Index", that I assume is the Top 100.

It's offered by Bitpanda (Austrian crypto exchange) and only available to purchase there, it's not like ETF or anything. More details:
https://www.bitpanda.com/en/bci-bitpanda-crypto-index
Prospectus: https://cdn.bitpanda.com/media/bci/Prospectus_Index_English.pdf
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Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.
But if in case you will invest and haven't gotten out early, you may possibly suffer losses because most new meme alts have a pump and dump scenario.
They may enter in the top 10 at some point, but I think it is not good basis to consider them in your portfolio.
If you are looking for the longevity of the project, better check what's their use case in the market. Can it sustain its presence in the market?

That's why I wouldn't call that investing. If you know that those meme coins have no future and that you'll need to pull out before the hype dies out - that's much closer to gambling than investing. Similarly to knowingly putting money into Ponzi scheme, if you time it right, you could make a decent profit, but let's not call that investing.

You'd probably be better off creating a bunch of worthless meme coins and trying to hype them up to see if any of them catches on. This way you won't be risking anything other than your time.

Not just meme projects, but I believe the altcoin market is gambling. Why do I say that? Look at altcoin projects that all die, being replaced after each bear season ends. There is no project that can stick with us for a long time, if there is, we can only mention ETH as the only case. The rest may not die entirely but also cannot recover or return to the old ATH, let alone make a profit for us. Previous replacement projects have always claimed that they have new, superior technology...blah..blah..., but so far, none have been put to practical use. Because they are all unlike bitcoin, they are created for the purpose of selling tokens, while bitcoins are created for the purpose of being a payment method.
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Other coins might stay at the top 10 but they won't be profitable compared to other coins in lower rank, in general the coins in the top 10 changes in every bull market as new project get pumped into the top 10 so why not invest in potential top 10 projects so you make more profits when they get in the top 10.

I think you're confusing investing with gambling. For every newly created "project" that makes it to the top 10 or the top 20, you have dozens, if not hundreds, of projects that fail miserably. Everyone is a master of retrospective trading and can point out a coin that made it and say "you should've invested in it and you could make x1000" etc, but actually predicting that before the pump is a whole different game. Sure, you could play around with a couple of hundred $, but no one sane would put any significant portion of their wealth on Shiba Inu, Niggercoin, or another Doge Bonk. Even if it plays out the way you want, it's almost always a stupid move.

Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.
But if in case you will invest and haven't gotten out early, you may possibly suffer losses because most new meme alts have a pump and dump scenario.
They may enter in the top 10 at some point, but I think it is not good basis to consider them in your portfolio.
If you are looking for the longevity of the project, better check what's their use case in the market. Can it sustain its presence in the market?

What do you think about Doge's case? It has existed from 2013 to the present, even earlier than ETH, and it is still at the top of CMC. Potential altcoins are said to have new technology and have use cases like LISK, EOS, and SOL... where are they? Did you see them? Investment is that we care about profit, if technology does not bring profit. Do you invest?
hero member
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I would never say someone is totally stupid about their choice of investment assets as long as they can consider it at their own risk. Even bitcoin also has a risk of loss if the user does not know how to practice the best security methods for storing it. Price volatility is very reasonable, but in most cases altcoin prices are always affected by bitcoin volatility. Owning more bitcoins than any other altcoin is a plan I've been working on for years.
They hold the risk of every coin choice that has been invested, so any altcoin choice must be tested and analyzed first and set investment limits for a range of around 20% for top altcoin choices and altcoin potential for short-term trading profits, normally all altcoin prices are affected bitcoin volatility but at certain hype altcoins have their own impact to increase significantly in any market conditions, but it is difficult to determine the altcoin because it must have a detailed analysis on the roadmap of each project, so if you want a safe mode then the bitcoin investment option is the best investment advice at any time.
legendary
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Bitcoin will definitely be the most holder but I'm not too sure about some other coins only now it's just enough to invest in bitcoin whereas assuming they are always different in choosing other top 10 coins, let it be their desired investment choice.

But I'm not always sure what is called diversification in other coins, whereas in my understanding diversification is for other assets called property or real estate and if you want to invest in digital assets then just bitcoin rather than other coins.

So I'm not collecting the top few coins for now, unless I have done so in the past.
Asset diversification may be great for growing your investment portfolio, but either way bitcoin should be the most dominant asset over the others in the portfolio. You or anyone can have the top 10 coins in any budget amount, but if it were me then I would never have more than 10% of my investment budget in any altcoin.

I would never say someone is totally stupid about their choice of investment assets as long as they can consider it at their own risk. Even bitcoin also has a risk of loss if the user does not know how to practice the best security methods for storing it. Price volatility is very reasonable, but in most cases altcoin prices are always affected by bitcoin volatility. Owning more bitcoins than any other altcoin is a plan I've been working on for years.
legendary
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Out of list, only one of these - Litecoin - remains in the Top 500 (#12), all the rest went to shit. Two don't seem to exist anymore, the rest are down over a 10 year period apart from Namecoin and Peercoin. The best performer here aside from Litecoin that is up substantially (but not as much as Bitcoin notably) was Namecoin, that 10 years ago was worth around $1 and this year has managed to get to around $1.50 lol.

So If you had invested say 10% in each of the Top 10 a decade ago, you'd only be up because of Bitcoin. Whereas simply buying BTC at the highs at around $100 you'd be up over 28,000% today. It really is a no brainer. Of course you could argue that the Top 10 generally stay in the Top 10 for longer than they used to, sure, but so far analysing a decade-long strategy of investing in the Top 10, it's a terrible idea.

Wow, that's pretty crazy and puts things into perspective. I knew that the top 10 (excl. BTC) from decade ago was not doing well, but didn't realise it was that bad.

As I said, this is what many fail to realise. The shorter the time-frame holding Top 10 coins the better is the general rule of thumb. Ideally don't invest in the Top 10 though. I mentioned it before in this thread that it's a much better strategy to invest in Top 50/100 coins that you think can reach the Top 10/20, then sell them at those respective ranks. At least for accumulating satoshis, it can be a successful strategy. Otherwise if you were to hold Top 10/20 coins in a 1 year long bull market, I think you would outperform Bitcoin, as historically altcoins generally do outperform. But for the other 3 years, it's not worth the hassle, clearly.

Ideally there's be the data available for how many coins were once in the Top 10, as I imagine by now it's in the hundreds of coins that aren't even Top 100 anymore.

In terms of the BCI 10 index I was referring to - it mitigates such risk by rebalancing. But that has its own risks of selling low and buying high. So all the historical evidence shows the best bet is just to hold BTC, unless you believe the past patterns are not a good indication and expect things to change (e.g. flippening etc).

Where is that BCI10 Index based? I can't find it on TradingView and would be interesting to look at. I can only find a "Crypto 100 Index", that I assume is the Top 100.
legendary
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Out of list, only one of these - Litecoin - remains in the Top 500 (#12), all the rest went to shit. Two don't seem to exist anymore, the rest are down over a 10 year period apart from Namecoin and Peercoin. The best performer here aside from Litecoin that is up substantially (but not as much as Bitcoin notably) was Namecoin, that 10 years ago was worth around $1 and this year has managed to get to around $1.50 lol.

So If you had invested say 10% in each of the Top 10 a decade ago, you'd only be up because of Bitcoin. Whereas simply buying BTC at the highs at around $100 you'd be up over 28,000% today. It really is a no brainer. Of course you could argue that the Top 10 generally stay in the Top 10 for longer than they used to, sure, but so far analysing a decade-long strategy of investing in the Top 10, it's a terrible idea.

Wow, that's pretty crazy and puts things into perspective. I knew that the top 10 (excl. BTC) from decade ago was not doing well, but didn't realise it was that bad.

In terms of the BCI 10 index I was referring to - it mitigates such risk by rebalancing. But that has its own risks of selling low and buying high. So all the historical evidence shows the best bet is just to hold BTC, unless you believe the past patterns are not a good indication and expect things to change (e.g. flippening etc).

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You'd probably be better off creating a bunch of worthless meme coins and trying to hype them up to see if any of them catches on. This way you won't be risking anything other than your time.

I have quite a bit of reluctancy towards encouraging forum members to start their own ponzi scheme or scam as a mechanism to "make money" (even though they might decide to engage in such conduct on their own initiative) - even though that suggestion does highlight the actual on the ground's fact that the ones who likely are making the most out of the various shitcoins out there are the ones who are creating and pumping the coin (and attempting to dump before anyone figures out that they are dumping on the ones who they had earlier evangelized to buy their crap).

I'm far from encouraging that, just pointed out that that's probably more profitable and less risky. But at the same time, I wouldn't class all such "projects" as scams or ponzi. Although that's not a way of earning money that one should be proud of, I don't necessarily see anything morally wrong in creating and trying to sell a coin as long as you're not being deceitful and not making false promises/declarations. I've seen a few that were pretty honest that all they had to offer was a name, a logo and funny memes, I found them quite entertaining (e.g. "HarryPotterObamaSonic10Inu" token, RIP).


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There is no need to Hold top 10 coins when we can invest solely for Bitcoin as we are talking about Holding and for me the Number one coin is the perfect fit for this, while some or even me tries to diversify in some other coins yet I only believe that one coin is best if it is a long term policy.
I have witnessed this happened  several times (those are in Halving) so if we can change the system by holding Bitcoin.
Bitcoin will definitely be the most holder but I'm not too sure about some other coins only now it's just enough to invest in bitcoin whereas assuming they are always different in choosing other top 10 coins, let it be their desired investment choice.

But I'm not always sure what is called diversification in other coins, whereas in my understanding diversification is for other assets called property or real estate and if you want to invest in digital assets then just bitcoin rather than other coins.

So I'm not collecting the top few coins for now, unless I have done so in the past.
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There is no need to Hold top 10 coins when we can invest solely for Bitcoin as we are talking about Holding and for me the Number one coin is the perfect fit for this, while some or even me tries to diversify in some other coins yet I only believe that one coin is best if it is a long term policy.
I have witnessed this happened  several times (those are in Halving) so if we can change the system by holding Bitcoin.
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I’ve been around long enough to see plenty of top 10 coins go away to nothing. That being said, diversification is usually a good thing. I don’t know if I’d blindly throw money at whatever happens to be there. I can understand holding BTC & ETH. Maybe even a different scaling solution like MATIC or SOL. Maybe even a meme coin like DOGE if you believe in Elon.
The order of the top coins does not mean that all the top 10 coins will be good for investing, we have experienced from FTX and Luna because they were also the top 10 coins before the coin was a scam, so the order of the coin positions is not important but we have to be careful of the altcoins of choice because it doesn't there is a guarantee that altcoins will be good for long term investment.
they are outlier though, they become scam for reasons and the fact that the company took to much part in managing the coin is also one of them, it's different with coin like ethereum where quite literally it's real consensus. with luna you just got a coin that's plain bs, but people back then just couldn't see it, either do I, but this time around investing in top 10 coins, seems even more relevant.
the shitty coin have already been eliminated, of course there are chance that other coin will suffer the same fate, but certainly investing in these top 10 coin is safer than investing in some random coin out of nowhere. at least it's got consistent update and the team behind it is rather clear and it's not like some random meme coins.
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Out of list, only one of these - Litecoin - remains in the Top 500 (#12), all the rest went to shit. Two don't seem to exist anymore, the rest are down over a 10 year period apart from Namecoin and Peercoin. The best performer here aside from Litecoin that is up substantially (but not as much as Bitcoin notably) was Namecoin, that 10 years ago was worth around $1 and this year has managed to get to around $1.50 lol.

So If you had invested say 10% in each of the Top 10 a decade ago, you'd only be up because of Bitcoin. Whereas simply buying BTC at the highs at around $100 you'd be up over 28,000% today. It really is a no brainer. Of course you could argue that the Top 10 generally stay in the Top 10 for longer than they used to, sure, but so far analysing a decade-long strategy of investing in the Top 10, it's a terrible idea.

What's really happening to people with altcoins is overconfidence and a desire to blow so sharply when token prices boom, not realizing they can gradually accumulate bitcoin without having to save up to buy a whole bitcoin at once. Perdon me, but I like using examples of experiences I have had with my friends or the stories told by friends. So, one day, I was in the mist of people discussing and talking about how hard it is to buy one bitcoin. "it is very easy to just buy some newly born coins and wait until the price begins to go up, " he said. one of them also said, "Altcoins whose prices are low can easily blow one's investment because when they buy very low and sell even when the price increases by just 10%," they still fail to realize that some altcoins even die off at  the point of their ICOs. Sorry, I am referring to new altcoins now, but the fact remains that, despite they are new, they can be promoted to rank in the top 10 within just a few day or even 24hour, so that they can just gain wide exposure.

Some people are not just well informed before taking steps into their crypto journey.
legendary
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I made a quick comparison of "BCI 10" - a top 10 crypto index Vs. Bitcoin.
BCI 10 is offered by Bitpanda (a regulated Austrian crypto exchange). It gets rebalanced every month to reflect any changes in the top 10.
As in the OP, it doesn't take into account any staking rewards, forks etc.

BCI 10:
1 year:


5 years:


Bitcoin:
1 year:


5 years:


In the shorter run of 1 year, Bitcoin has recorded a slightly lower loss, but in the span of 5 years - it massively outperformed the BCI 10 index.

Just seen your post here, thanks for providing the data. This is what many don't understand: The further you go back to compare to Top 10 vs Bitcoin, the worse the results.

For example let's look at the Top 10 from 10 years ago with respective ranks today:

1. Bitcoin (#1)
2. Litecoin (#12)
3. Namecoin (#615)
4. Peercoin (#745)
5. Feathercoin (#1659)
6. Freicoin (#2289)
7. Terracoin (#1926)
8. Devcoin (#N/A)
9. Novacoin (#2046)
10. Mincoin (#N/A)

Out of list, only one of these - Litecoin - remains in the Top 500 (#12), all the rest went to shit. Two don't seem to exist anymore, the rest are down over a 10 year period apart from Namecoin and Peercoin. The best performer here aside from Litecoin that is up substantially (but not as much as Bitcoin notably) was Namecoin, that 10 years ago was worth around $1 and this year has managed to get to around $1.50 lol.

So If you had invested say 10% in each of the Top 10 a decade ago, you'd only be up because of Bitcoin. Whereas simply buying BTC at the highs at around $100 you'd be up over 28,000% today. It really is a no brainer. Of course you could argue that the Top 10 generally stay in the Top 10 for longer than they used to, sure, but so far analysing a decade-long strategy of investing in the Top 10, it's a terrible idea.
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In my opinion, holding the top 10 is the best and safest step, projects or coins that have a large market cap, namely the top 10 and the lowest currently is $8 billion, so it is safer and calmer, when there is market turmoil, the community will usually help to pump again.

I’ve been around long enough to see plenty of top 10 coins go away to nothing. That being said, diversification is usually a good thing. I don’t know if I’d blindly throw money at whatever happens to be there. I can understand holding BTC & ETH. Maybe even a different scaling solution like MATIC or SOL. Maybe even a meme coin like DOGE if you believe in Elon.
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In my opinion, holding the top 10 is the best and safest step, projects or coins that have a large market cap, namely the top 10 and the lowest currently is $8 billion, so it is safer and calmer, when there is market turmoil, the community will usually help to pump again.
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A lot of us might share goals that we would like to get rich quick; however, some of us might appreciate and understand that if we attempt to strictly try to pursue a goal of attempting to get rich quick, then the actual pursuit of such goal may well end up causing us to lose value (financially and even morally/ethically).
The problem with this is actually I still don't understand the concept of getting rich instantly, especially when it's in a scope like this. We are aware that this place is a place with high risk and we know that when we say investment, roughly speaking it takes time so this is not suitable for instant riches and of course we all need to process with the initial concept of investment so we cannot say something like this. to get rich instantly but out there there are still many who think like this just because seeing the lives of people who are in this scope looks more comfortable.

In the last 12 years or so, many of us may have witnessed real world examples in which some people have improved their financial circumstances greatly by being invested in bitcoin or even in some shitcoins, so it would not be out of the question that many people might consider that there might be ways to continue to deploy their capital (and value) into bitcoin and/or into shitcoins in order attempt to accelerate the timeline in which they would otherwise be expecting to get returns in traditional markets.

Surely, also in recent times (maybe even more exacerbated since March 2020-ish) many folks might have been witnessing a variety of potential crises in various kinds of real world investments and even wondering how sound that they might be in terms of either potential short-term price performance or even in terms of potential long term price performance, that also may well relate to a lot of the artificial and likely misleading price signals that come when the actual money itself (and the various levels of debt that various fiat systems have) has been distorting whether some of the price signals might be inaccurate or even inflated to the upside due to the supply of money being outrageously increased... and sure, some of those problems with the money supply being outrageously inflated can also end up screwing up the price signals in bitcoin and shitcoins too... maybe worse in shitcoins, to the extent to which some of us might speculate that bitcoin is able to sustain its own more accurate price signals because of the soundness of its fundamentals, rather than merely being a product of market hype.. which seems to be the bread and basket ideations that underly many ways that shitcoins are speculated upon.

So yeah, whether we conclude that our theory to invest in something like bitcoin might have some basis in attempting to get rich quicker, there are also other related ideas (that might be on the other side of the same coin) that relate to merely attempting to preserve value by not getting poor through the various ways that value might be stored in various traditional assets - and even shitcoins.

Diversification is important and that is why we need to pick what is the best cryptocurrencies in the market today, what I do is I check all of the charts of the Top 100 cryptos. So one of my criteria before investing is that the crypto should be belong to the top 100 because these are the trending coins and have the highest market capitalization. After that I'll check all of it and pick the crypo with uptrend and with good market sentiment. I ignore those coins that have unhealthy price patterns because it will be ingore very soon. Once I indentifies the coins with good charts, I re arranged it by price patterns and also by my niche. In that way I can easily see if the coin is good or bad to my portfolio.

The application of diversification is likely important when such diversification is applied across asset classes that are likely not correlated, or industries that might not be directly related or having assets that are valued based on the same underlying market moving dynamics.  Within crypto, an overwhelming majority of the assets are correlated to bitcoin, so they do not tend to have any of their own independent fundamentals - absent some potential pump and dump talking point or being able to garner momentum that might be considered to potentially outpace bitcoin on the short-term (that surely would not usually be a sustainable kind of a feature, in many of those subset of cases).  

In other words, you may be misusing (or misapplying the idea of diversification) just in terms of your merely wanting to place a variety of gambling bets (rather than diversifying within more of a fundamental analyst's attempt to apply such a practice/principle).

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You'd probably be better off creating a bunch of worthless meme coins and trying to hype them up to see if any of them catches on. This way you won't be risking anything other than your time.

I have quite a bit of reluctancy towards encouraging forum members to start their own ponzi scheme or scam as a mechanism to "make money" (even though they might decide to engage in such conduct on their own initiative) - even though that suggestion does highlight the actual on the ground's fact that the ones who likely are making the most out of the various shitcoins out there are the ones who are creating and pumping the coin (and attempting to dump before anyone figures out that they are dumping on the ones who they had earlier evangelized to buy their crap).
legendary
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Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.
But if in case you will invest and haven't gotten out early, you may possibly suffer losses because most new meme alts have a pump and dump scenario.
They may enter in the top 10 at some point, but I think it is not good basis to consider them in your portfolio.
If you are looking for the longevity of the project, better check what's their use case in the market. Can it sustain its presence in the market?

That's why I wouldn't call that investing. If you know that those meme coins have no future and that you'll need to pull out before the hype dies out - that's much closer to gambling than investing. Similarly to knowingly putting money into Ponzi scheme, if you time it right, you could make a decent profit, but let's not call that investing.

You'd probably be better off creating a bunch of worthless meme coins and trying to hype them up to see if any of them catches on. This way you won't be risking anything other than your time.
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Other coins might stay at the top 10 but they won't be profitable compared to other coins in lower rank, in general the coins in the top 10 changes in every bull market as new project get pumped into the top 10 so why not invest in potential top 10 projects so you make more profits when they get in the top 10.

I think you're confusing investing with gambling. For every newly created "project" that makes it to the top 10 or the top 20, you have dozens, if not hundreds, of projects that fail miserably. Everyone is a master of retrospective trading and can point out a coin that made it and say "you should've invested in it and you could make x1000" etc, but actually predicting that before the pump is a whole different game. Sure, you could play around with a couple of hundred $, but no one sane would put any significant portion of their wealth on Shiba Inu, Niggercoin, or another Doge Bonk. Even if it plays out the way you want, it's almost always a stupid move.

Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.
But if in case you will invest and haven't gotten out early, you may possibly suffer losses because most new meme alts have a pump and dump scenario.
They may enter in the top 10 at some point, but I think it is not good basis to consider them in your portfolio.
If you are looking for the longevity of the project, better check what's their use case in the market. Can it sustain its presence in the market?
There are memecoins that going to the moon but majority of it are scams and worthless so it is better if I will just put my money on something that is legit where I can minimized the risk. If we will convert it in percentage, I think only 1 out of 100 memecoins that makes it to TOP. The current popular memecoin today if I'm not mistake it is called $PEPE coin, I do not know what its utility but I have read that its market capitalization is around $500 Million right now. Did I put some money on it? No becuase it is just a memecoin and the risks are high and I'm still in neutral emotion even I missed the possible gains that I can have on it. Better to make investment on top 10 crypto market capitalization right now than to put my money on something that is just a meme coin.

Diversification is important and that is why we need to pick what is the best cryptocurrencies in the market today, what I do is I check all of the charts of the Top 100 cryptos. So one of my criteria before investing is that the crypto should be belong to the top 100 because these are the trending coins and have the highest market capitalization. After that I'll check all of it and pick the crypo with uptrend and with good market sentiment. I ignore those coins that have unhealthy price patterns because it will be ingore very soon. Once I indentifies the coins with good charts, I re arranged it by price patterns and also by my niche. In that way I can easily see if the coin is good or bad to my portfolio.
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That's actually fine with me apart from everyone wanting an altcoin in hopes that it never goes very well that's their business.
I only focus on myself with the bitcoins that I have and of course apart from other people who are doing things in altcoins, that's their business.

Sure, you can say it's their business or whatever, but again, some crypto beginners just fall into this top 10 coin or token without realizing that it doesn't even minimize their risk of investment. They sometimes think that since they are spreading their funds on different altcoins, it can limit the risk, and at least they can make profit from most of those coins, of which even all those coins can turn out to be shitcoins. I just feel so softhearted and wish I could help everyone at once by letting them understand the risk that also follows the tactics (most especially beginners). But for those who are already aware of what the results may be, they don't rely on their high hopes, and even if they lose their investment, they already realize they were only trying their luck with altcoins. But some people don't think that way, and if those people lose their investment, they can be faced with some emotional troubles.
We can't do anything there because it's their will because when we see beginners doing this, actually things like this are very risky, it's just that they are not aware of it because they really feel that altcoins are a profitable place and still have hope. that this will be an instant advantage, but on the other hand, even if we warn, sometimes things like that are considered as one part to block, so instead of having to argue with those who don't fit their portion, it's better to let it happen because when they feel themselves, in the end, they will know which way is better. I don't really care about that because indeed when our good intentions are misinterpreted it is better for us to just see how they solve the problem. They also need to learn and losing is a risk they should know about that especially being in altcoins which are not very useful.

That's actually fine with me apart from everyone wanting an altcoin in hopes that it never goes very well that's their business.
I only focus on myself with the bitcoins that I have and of course apart from other people who are doing things in altcoins, that's their business. Reminding is still possible, but when they choose a path like that with the hope of pumping it that makes them feel they have high hopes of getting rich instantly, then indeed things like that are better off not needing to be dealt with anymore.
They are focused on what they are after and I of course have to be focused on what I am after with bitcoin in my portfolio.

Ongoingly, each of us will likely still be faced with various dilemmas regarding how we choose to interact with people who are shitcoin pumpers, and questions regarding whether we want to attempt to share information with them in regards to bitcoin, or if we might choose to refrain from interacting with them because they might be too passionate in regards to their shitcoins and therefore we might have difficulties communicating with them from some kind of a common ground understanding and framework.

Surely, frequently many of us should be able to attempt to talk about bitcoin versus shitcoins with others in terms of trying to figure out what kinds of goals that each of us might be trying to achieve, and so sometimes there can be agreements to disagree about strategies, if we end up seeing and agreeing that some of the goals might be different.
Mostly when doing things like this it actually results in discord for myself considering in this case we also can't force the person's will which makes this a little complicated.
On the other hand, when the ego is higher when discussing clearly this becomes another problem because we have our own arguments. this may just be my experience and I am also very supportive when there are still many people who still keep reminding me to be in bitcoin not altcoins especially for beginners but for me I better not do that because apart from my shortcomings to explain is not better , when in discussions I also sometimes put forward my own ego more.

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A lot of us might share goals that we would like to get rich quick; however, some of us might appreciate and understand that if we attempt to strictly try to pursue a goal of attempting to get rich quick, then the actual pursuit of such goal may well end up causing us to lose value (financially and even morally/ethically).

The problem with this is actually I still don't understand the concept of getting rich instantly, especially when it's in a scope like this. We are aware that this place is a place with high risk and we know that when we say investment, roughly speaking it takes time so this is not suitable for instant riches and of course we all need to process with the initial concept of investment so we cannot say something like this. to get rich instantly but out there there are still many who think like this just because seeing the lives of people who are in this scope looks more comfortable.
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Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.

but there is no problem investing in meme tokens, it may give you higher profit compared to what Bitcoin or popular Altcoins can give you. If you know the right time to get in and out of this investment, you might be able to get a high profit, like my friend did when he managed to get a high enough profit investing in Shiba Inu. the point is not to be greedy and still know when to out.
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In the end it just becomes a sham and of course it all comes back to bitcoin as the core of it.
I think with conditions like this, rather than looking for clear reasons with instant riches as a benchmark, I think it's better to move on to something that is more feasible.
We know that most of the people who are there only expect that, especially for those who are in shitcoin, but they are not too aware even though they say they are aware that this could actually lead them to destruction.
You see, some times I see some people that are into some kind of altcoin as big dreamers (why?) because they just buy some random coins that they think are more likely to blow them if the price gets pumped, but these coins just turn into shitcoins and don't add any value to their portfolio. Some people who are really determined to invest in crypto sometimes fall into these shitcoins before they realize it and begin to invest in Bitcoin. Some also just usually give up on crypto, not knowing that they are the reason why they did not get any profit from their investment. Some are also desperate to make a quick profit, so when they see some of these altcoins on the top 10, they really feel it's worth investing because the coin or token may get pumped.
That's actually fine with me apart from everyone wanting an altcoin in hopes that it never goes very well that's their business.
I only focus on myself with the bitcoins that I have and of course apart from other people who are doing things in altcoins, that's their business. Reminding is still possible, but when they choose a path like that with the hope of pumping it that makes them feel they have high hopes of getting rich instantly, then indeed things like that are better off not needing to be dealt with anymore.
They are focused on what they are after and I of course have to be focused on what I am after with bitcoin in my portfolio.

Ongoingly, each of us will likely still be faced with various dilemmas regarding how we choose to interact with people who are shitcoin pumpers, and questions regarding whether we want to attempt to share information with them in regards to bitcoin, or if we might choose to refrain from interacting with them because they might be too passionate in regards to their shitcoins and therefore we might have difficulties communicating with them from some kind of a common ground understanding and framework.

Surely, frequently many of us should be able to attempt to talk about bitcoin versus shitcoins with others in terms of trying to figure out what kinds of goals that each of us might be trying to achieve, and so sometimes there can be agreements to disagree about strategies, if we end up seeing and agreeing that some of the goals might be different.

A lot of us might share goals that we would like to get rich quick; however, some of us might appreciate and understand that if we attempt to strictly try to pursue a goal of attempting to get rich quick, then the actual pursuit of such goal may well end up causing us to lose value (financially and even morally/ethically).

Surely one of the frameworks for investing into bitcoin does include considering ways to attempt to preserve portfolio value, and even if bitcoin remains amongst the most conservative of the "cryptos," at the same time, relatively speaking bitcoin is also still a risky investment, so it is not even necessarily a good idea to over-allocate our investments into bitcoin, so in some sense, we may well want to consider how much are we investing into bitcoin as compared to investing into other assets, and when I refer to investing in other assets, I am not even getting into the idea of investing into shitcoins, but instead considering how much of our investment portfolio might have other traditional asset classes such as cash, stocks, property and even some other forms of investments/savings....

And, if we are new to investing, we might not even have any other investments besides cash and crypto.. so there is that angle too.. and then so within crypto.. how much are we thinking that we can fuck around with other kinds of investments besides bitcoin.. , and maybe it would be good to self-impose some kind of ceiling in regards to how much we might want to put into various shitcoins (while gambling that they might potentially perform better than bitcoin).. I personally would not invest any more than 10% of my total crypto investment into anything other than bitcoin (and I personally don't even have more than 1%), but surely there are some folks who will go further than that and even go over 50% into shitcoins and surely there are some folks are so dumb as to only have 10% to 20% or less in bitcoin, which might even be part of the premise of this thread if there is some kind of assertion that bitcoin might serve 1/10 of an annual investment package.. presuming that the investment into the top 10 cryptos would be evenly distributed, which is bordering on retarded, from my perspective.

Now some members have mentioned that they are more excited about some top 10 crypto rather than others, and have mentioned ethereum and BNB and maybe a few others, and even if it might be true that there could potentially be some better value (or even less downside risk) in those coins (shitcoins - especially ethereum), then still they should not be conceptualized as equally weighted to bitcoin, even if it is possible that in the short term they might out perform bitcoin in the short-term.. but there could be some ways to make some reasonable short term bets on either or both of those coins without presuming that either one of them should be held as "long term" investments, which is part of the justification that bitcoin should be kept in many of our portfolios as a long term bet that goes out for a minimum of 4 years, and even 10 to 20 years or more would be reasonably feasible when it comes to how to think about bitcoin holdings..
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