Is India really a regional power? - page 2.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:04:59 AM

According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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Many IT and customer service jobs are going to India, so their standard of living and economy is improving.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 03:55:44 AM

I would say, India is a power in its own borders. Otherwise, India has serious issues with Pakistan. For the last 60 years they are fighting on disputed Kashmir region. UN has asked to organize plebiscite in Kashmir and ask people of Kashmir which country they want to join. India and China has serious issues on Hamachal Pardesh area. Sri Lanka has also concerns with India in proking militant groups in Sri Lanka. India is our good ally but not suitable for SC seat.

I never said it was, I just answered a question about India being a regional power. It is. It is ranked 4th in the world when it comes to the military.

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Quote from: Verron on July 09, 2015, 03:52:05 AM

The question was is India a regional power, my answer is yes for the reasons I gave.

I would say, India is a power in its own borders. Otherwise, India has serious issues with Pakistan. For the last 60 years they are fighting on disputed Kashmir region. UN has asked to organize plebiscite in Kashmir and ask people of Kashmir which country they want to join. India and China has serious issues on Hamachal Pardesh area. Sri Lanka has also concerns with India in proking militant groups in Sri Lanka. India is our good ally but not suitable for SC seat.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 03:46:57 AM

Pakistan has also nukes so do you think Pakistan should also given a seat at SC?

The question was is India a regional power, my answer is yes for the reasons I gave.

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Quote from: Verron on July 09, 2015, 03:45:50 AM

India has nukes and that in itself along with it population makes it a regional power. It is also ranked as the worlds 4th most powerful military.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/top-10...ranked-2015-05

Pakistan has also nukes so do you think Pakistan should also given a seat at SC?

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:04:59 AM

According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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India has nukes and that in itself along with it population makes it a regional power. It is also ranked as the worlds 4th most powerful military.

http://www.wearethemighty.com/top-10...ranked-2015-05

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 03:19:36 AM

India won't be a good choice as it would furstrate its neigbors. India already lots of issues with its neighboring countries. I would say keep it as it is. The US, Russia, China and Britain are good enough.

There are boundary problems between China and India, but they trust Putin so they are able to work together. The main problem would be Pakistan, so you are right. I don't know how they would be able to put a new member in the security council without others going ballistic.

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India is a big country with a huge population, but when it comes to the nation trying to exert its power, that huge population is as much a hindrance as it is an asset.
There are just so many poor people in India, the country will never be able to afford a modern military force to match its size. It is a matter of priorities, and India is just struggling to feed the people it already has.

Like China, India is a country that is somewhat of a paradox. Culturally it has a strong Western influence (from former British colonization), politically it is a "free" democracy, and within the last 20 years a middle class has been rapidly growing in Indian society. But it is still considered a "Third World" country, there is still widespread poverty and the standard of living is much lower than it is elsewhere. So it has all the institutions in place of a modern developed country, but economically in is still struggling to advance from a backwards state.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 09, 2015, 02:10:27 AM

Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:04:59 AM

According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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That's similar to China... If China has a seat in the SC then India should get one.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 09, 2015, 02:10:27 AM

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What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

China, People Republic aside all UNSC members with a permanent seat got their status as the winners of WWII and founders of the UN. The PRC got her UNSC permanent seat as "successor" of the Nationalist China whose government was exiled on the Taiwan island after the communist takeover of mainland China.
I laugh loudly at all the countries - like India, Japan, Germany, Brazil, etc. - asking for a free great power status without paying the price associated with it!
The best & most sensible proposal to reform the UNSC was the one proposed by Italy in 1994. Otherwise, we are struck with the status quo and the one wishing to have a great power status with veto power must change it as usual, by winning a systemic war between old & new international powers. Anyone could see that the latter choice is worst than the former.

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Quote from: fungfung on July 09, 2015, 03:15:43 AM

No they don't deserve permanent seats, it would just become an American club. Actually the only ones who deserve seats are military powers, and that would be the US, Russia, China, and Britain. That's enough members...although India might be a good balancing power. At one time France was independent, but those days are long gone, now it's just another American serf. I say kick France out and put in India.

India won't be a good choice as it would furstrate its neigbors. India already lots of issues with its neighboring countries. I would say keep it as it is. The US, Russia, China and Britain are good enough.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:22:12 AM

What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

No they don't deserve permanent seats, it would just become an American club. Actually the only ones who deserve seats are military powers, and that would be the US, Russia, China, and Britain. That's enough members...although India might be a good balancing power. At one time France was independent, but those days are long gone, now it's just another American serf. I say kick France out and put in India.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 09, 2015, 02:45:24 AM

Not enough of us combined to compete with India and China...

Germany's economy is exceptionally powerful.
And money rules the world.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:04:59 AM

According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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Depending how you look at it.Their economy is bigger than Russia. And they are probably going to overtake China with the having the most amount of people. They also got the nuclear bomb and their army is exceptionally big.

Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:22:12 AM

What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

Canada and Australia are dwarfs compared to Germany and India.

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 09, 2015, 02:45:24 AM

Not enough of us combined to compete with India and China...

Do you mean population? Population shouldn't be a createria for SC's membership. The criteria should be how much you take world responsibilities.

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:22:12 AM

What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

Not enough of us combined to compete with India and China...

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Quote from: godlyitems on July 09, 2015, 02:10:27 AM

That's similar to China... If China has a seat in the SC then India should get one.

What about Australia, Canada and Germany, don't they deserve permanent seat in the SC?

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Quote from: rio3232 on July 09, 2015, 02:04:59 AM

According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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That's similar to China... If China has a seat in the SC then India should get one.

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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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