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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 01:50:39 AM

Hi,

Is it allowed to sell information on a rigged soccer match via this forum?

Thanks in advance for answers

There should not be a issue with you doing this as long as you are straight up about what you are planning to do.
Shilling is common and interesting some of the comments against it come from people that sell their services in this forum.

Match fixing is common in Soccer and Tennis and I would read(not buy) any information personally. But I do know people will pay for information,only issue is proving ones self to get that following. Meaning most likely having to give out a few free plays.

If fake escrow is allowed,I do not think selling picks should be a issue.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on September 10, 2015, 02:51:48 AM

1) It's probably pretty much illegal anywhere to participate in any form of match rigging
2) You will get negative feedback for it
3) I very much doubt you have any information on rigged matches. Usually it's just scammers doing what scammers do and trying to scam the greedy

This. There is no way some random guy on here has information about rigged football matches, certainly not involving teams in any major league. No doubt he'll try & sell this 'info'.

I'd advise everybody to keep well clear of this bull shit.

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Quote from: notlist3d on September 10, 2015, 07:37:10 AM

Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:56:48 AM

Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 02:55:09 AM

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Is this the way it would work?

No, because it would not fail. It's solid information, guaranteed. This isn't a "tip". It's a fact of what will happen.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed gambling that is 100 percent. Maybe you get 1 or 2 from team, but them to risk their career for onetime payment... unlikely. Also who team of soccer being in on it..... is not going to happen so not 100 percent again.

But this is illegal like many have said. And if you happened to find a place it's legal and a legal way to do it, I think you will be blasted with negative trust.

There are 100% bets...google matched betting, sports arbitrage, surebets, etc. These are few ways to bet without losing a cent. + Match fixing is real and rife in Asia. Its not always what it seems with sports betting.

But then the OP could just have been lucky. And yes fixing is illegal in parts of Europe.

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I don't see how this type of deal could work anyway unless the buyer completely trusts you, even if escrow is used. What happens if you were wrong, misinformed or lying and the buyer loses his bet? Would you reimburse the buyer's losses?

As others have said, if it illegal for the two parties involved, then you cannot sell it here.

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:56:48 AM

Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 02:55:09 AM

[snip]
Is this the way it would work?

No, because it would not fail. It's solid information, guaranteed. This isn't a "tip". It's a fact of what will happen.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed gambling that is 100 percent. Maybe you get 1 or 2 from team, but them to risk their career for onetime payment... unlikely. Also who team of soccer being in on it..... is not going to happen so not 100 percent again.

But this is illegal like many have said. And if you happened to find a place it's legal and a legal way to do it, I think you will be blasted with negative trust.

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 03:03:26 AM

Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 03:01:19 AM

Yeah ok, you guaranteeing the future and QS implying that guaranteed wins exist is beside the point: what I'm asking you is, is that the mechanics of the proposed transaction?

Essentially that is the mechanics. But again, it's zero risk. The match is fixed.

If it's zero risk then why you selling just bet yourself all in and you will be millionaire/billionaire soon.

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PMSL. His tip is that Acharnaikos are going to beat Trikala 1963 who are already the strong favourites at 10/11 vs 5/2. Would have been a bit more impressed with some actual specifics but as always these fixed match sellers are just bs scammers or are getting their 'info' from bs scammers.

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 01:50:39 AM

Hi,

Is it allowed to sell information on a rigged soccer match via this forum?

Thanks in advance for answers

No, it is still illegal.

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Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 03:01:19 AM

Yeah ok, you guaranteeing the future and QS implying that guaranteed wins exist is beside the point: what I'm asking you is, is that the mechanics of the proposed transaction?

Essentially that is the mechanics. But again, it's zero risk. The match is fixed.

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:56:48 AM

Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 02:55:09 AM

[snip]
Is this the way it would work?

No, because it would not fail. It's solid information, guaranteed. This isn't a "tip". It's a fact of what will happen.

Yeah ok, you guaranteeing the future and QS implying that guaranteed wins exist is beside the point: what I'm asking you is, is that the mechanics of the proposed transaction?

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Quote from: tmfp on September 10, 2015, 02:55:09 AM

[snip]
Is this the way it would work?

No, because it would not fail. It's solid information, guaranteed. This isn't a "tip". It's a fact of what will happen.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on September 10, 2015, 02:51:48 AM

3) I very much doubt you have any information on rigged matches. Usually it's just scammers doing what scammers do and trying to scam the greedy

Are you trying to imply that there is no such thing as a guaranteed win when gambling? Are you sure about this?

I think you should double check your math

edit: It looks like you are right. I was unable to figure out any calculation in which 0.99 > 1.00

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:26:11 AM

Quote from: tsoPANos on September 10, 2015, 02:20:32 AM

You should care, these people are influential and they define the rules.

Let me rephrase. I don't care for a strangers' opinion on ethics, which is essentially what getting a negative trust rating from somebody would be. If that were to happen, so be it.

Quote from: tsoPANos on September 10, 2015, 02:20:32 AM

Let's say you have information on a fixed match.
How do I know that the match is indeed rigged, or you are lying?

You don't. But consider that I gain nothing from lying to you. You pay me (or a trusted escrow), I provide the pick, you win, and when I get the next tip-off I hope for your repeat business.

So I pay the agreed price for this information into an escrow account.
When that is confirmed as done, you give me the tip and I bet on it. If the tip wins, the escrow releases the purchase price of the tip to you; if the tip fails, then I get my money back from the escrow, but stand the staked money loss myself.
Is this the way it would work?

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1) It's probably pretty much illegal anywhere to participate in any form of match rigging
2) You will get negative feedback for it
3) I very much doubt you have any information on rigged matches. Usually it's just scammers doing what scammers do and trying to scam the greedy

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Quote from: tsoPANos on September 10, 2015, 02:20:32 AM

You should care, these people are influential and they define the rules.

Let me rephrase. I don't care for a strangers' opinion on ethics, which is essentially what getting a negative trust rating from somebody would be. If that were to happen, so be it.

Quote from: tsoPANos on September 10, 2015, 02:20:32 AM

Let's say you have information on a fixed match.
How do I know that the match is indeed rigged, or you are lying?

You don't. But consider that I gain nothing from lying to you. You pay me (or a trusted escrow), I provide the pick, you win, and when I get the next tip-off I hope for your repeat business.

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Thinking about it maybe this rule may apply in your case

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Most likely no. If you are selling "rigged" information, then the dissemination/receipt of such information is most likely going to be illegal in both your jurisdiction and the jurisdiction of the person you are selling to. If it is illegal in either jurisdiction then it is not allowed.

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:14:10 AM

With the greatest of respect possible, I really don't care about the people on default trust and their opinions. I am asking as I am concerned about the rules of the forum itself and if they would allow this.

You should care, these people are influential and they define the rules.

Let's say you have information on a fixed match.
How do I know that the match is indeed rigged, or you are lying?

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Quote from: The Bitman on September 10, 2015, 02:14:10 AM

With the greatest of respect possible, I really don't care about the people on default trust and their opinions. I am asking as I am concerned about the rules of the forum itself and if they would allow this.

If you're asking for the rules, nope nothing like that is there. I could've missed something though, here are the rules, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657 .
Although getting a negative feedback from default trust will hamper your sales, if you ask me.

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With the greatest of respect possible, I really don't care about the people on default trust and their opinions. I am asking as I am concerned about the rules of the forum itself and if they would allow this.

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