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Topic: Is it good to have one currency across borders ? Friedman says No. (Read 2884 times)

donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Heh, this is where the red herring was thrown in. I added a wink emoticon and someone had to start a major troll over it. I fell for it because I was bored and I was on my mobile.
There was no "major trolling" done by anyone in this topic... Except maybe by you.  You brought up crime and trolling and silk road and even Atlas... Take a breath...
You, if anyone, should know that sarcasm is lost on some people and others twist words into their own agenda. That to me is the very definition of trolling. That was done when Moonshadow asked me to prove that Bitcoin is not ever used to buy drugs, which to me seemed ludicrous. I wasn't trying to change the topic, hence the emoticon. I think the whole SR thing has people's sensibilities all loopy. Get over it.
hero member
Activity: 742
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Heh, this is where the red herring was thrown in. I added a wink emoticon and someone had to start a major troll over it. I fell for it because I was bored and I was on my mobile.
There was no "major trolling" done by anyone in this topic... Except maybe by you.  You brought up crime and trolling and silk road and even Atlas... Take a breath...
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
You show me some anonymous addresses that you could have found anywhere and claim they are yours. OK, so what? That proves nothing. If you are going to make a claim, then you need to offer testable evidence that can be verified independently. One possible way would be to give me your private keys and I could see for myself.  Tongue

He could sign a statement with the addresses' privatekey to verify himself.
So he is using a signature to prove that Silk Road doesn't exist? OK, I'll bite. Besides, that doesn't prove they are his only that he has access to them. This is getting silly trying to explain epistemology and the scientific method to a troll. You can't prove things in RL, you can only show evidence. In mathematics, you can prove perfect geometric shapes, but you cannot find them in nature. Proving an address exists doesn't prove anything about how it is used. Geeks get awfully goddam arrogant sometimes thinking they have answers for everything with a simple algorithm or formula.
Proving silk road doesn't exist? wtf are you going on about...
Heh, this is where the red herring was thrown in. I added a wink emoticon and someone had to start a major troll over it. I fell for it because I was bored and I was on my mobile.

bitcoin *is* a local currency. It's the currency of a niche of nerdy crypto-anarchists so far.
You forgot drug dealers, human traffickers, and assassins.  Wink

can you prove that?
hero member
Activity: 742
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Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
You show me some anonymous addresses that you could have found anywhere and claim they are yours. OK, so what? That proves nothing. If you are going to make a claim, then you need to offer testable evidence that can be verified independently. One possible way would be to give me your private keys and I could see for myself.  Tongue

He could sign a statement with the addresses' privatekey to verify himself.
So he is using a signature to prove that Silk Road doesn't exist? OK, I'll bite. Besides, that doesn't prove they are his only that he has access to them. This is getting silly trying to explain epistemology and the scientific method to a troll. You can't prove things in RL, you can only show evidence. In mathematics, you can prove perfect geometric shapes, but you cannot find them in nature. Proving an address exists doesn't prove anything about how it is used. Geeks get awfully goddam arrogant sometimes thinking they have answers for everything with a simple algorithm or formula.
Proving silk road doesn't exist? wtf are you going on about...
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
You show me some anonymous addresses that you could have found anywhere and claim they are yours. OK, so what? That proves nothing. If you are going to make a claim, then you need to offer testable evidence that can be verified independently. One possible way would be to give me your private keys and I could see for myself.  Tongue

He could sign a statement with the addresses' privatekey to verify himself.
So he is using a signature to prove that Silk Road doesn't exist? OK, I'll bite. Besides, that doesn't prove they are his only that he has access to them. This is getting silly trying to explain epistemology and the scientific method to a troll. You can't prove things in RL, you can only show evidence. In mathematics, you can prove perfect geometric shapes, but you cannot find them in nature. Proving an address exists doesn't prove anything about how it is used. Geeks get awfully goddam arrogant sometimes thinking they have answers for everything with a simple algorithm or formula.
legendary
Activity: 1288
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Away on an extended break
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
You show me some anonymous addresses that you could have found anywhere and claim they are yours. OK, so what? That proves nothing. If you are going to make a claim, then you need to offer testable evidence that can be verified independently. One possible way would be to give me your private keys and I could see for myself.  Tongue

He could sign a statement with the addresses' privatekey to verify himself.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
You show me some anonymous addresses that you could have found anywhere and claim they are yours. OK, so what? That proves nothing. If you are going to make a claim, then you need to offer testable evidence that can be verified independently. One possible way would be to give me your private keys and I could see for myself.  Tongue
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
Now I have no idea what you are saying. Nothing is proven? What?
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
I really don't know what you are saying. In science and the real world, nothing is proven. You are asking me to believe you, which I probably do.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
I wasn't talking about criminal activity at all.  I was stating that I can prove the identity of some Bitcoin transactions and you asked if "any" could be.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
Since I don't know you from Atlas, I'll just have to take your word that those addresses did not pass through a criminal's nose.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.

I'm gonna call that a yes.

I'm not.  I'd call it a fail, or at least a dodge.  I asked if he could prove that those afore mentioned criminal activities have occurred.  It was a loaded question, of course, because the only way that he could prove any such thing would be to have access to the private computers of those afore mentioned criminals.  Which, most likely, would mean that those computers belong to himself or someone he personally knows quite well.  Anyone who would use a publicly posted bitcoin address to send funds to a publicly known criminal either doesn't know the criminal part & didn't buy criminal services or is an idiot, and it would be hard enough just to prove one or the other, much less an actual crime.

I meant a yes to the question I quoted, not your question.  I agree with you there.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1010
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.

I'm gonna call that a yes.

I'm not.  I'd call it a fail, or at least a dodge.  I asked if he could prove that those afore mentioned criminal activities have occurred.  It was a loaded question, of course, because the only way that he could prove any such thing would be to have access to the private computers of those afore mentioned criminals.  Which, most likely, would mean that those computers belong to himself or someone he personally knows quite well.  Anyone who would use a publicly posted bitcoin address to send funds to a publicly known criminal either doesn't know the criminal part & didn't buy criminal services or is an idiot, and it would be hard enough just to prove one or the other, much less an actual crime.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.

I'm gonna call that a yes.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
There's plenty of published addresses.  For example, my firstbits are in my signature.  You can see I've sent a few transactions with that address.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4401755/cd7f8895d2a3ad006972105f596fd7cd4661f1f81a6ae370bf7d14f79ef7db03

This transaction links a bunch of my addresses and clearly contains a donation to Armory.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
bitcoin *is* a local currency. It's the currency of a niche of nerdy crypto-anarchists so far.
You forgot drug dealers, human traffickers, and assassins.  Wink

can you prove that?
Can you *prove* the identity of any Bitcoin transactions?
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1010
bitcoin *is* a local currency. It's the currency of a niche of nerdy crypto-anarchists so far.
You forgot drug dealers, human traffickers, and assassins.  Wink

can you prove that?
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1010
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
bitcoin *is* a local currency. It's the currency of a niche of nerdy crypto-anarchists so far.
You forgot drug dealers, human traffickers, and assassins.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1007
bitcoin *is* a local currency. It's the currency of a niche of nerdy crypto-anarchists so far.

should it become a "global" currency, I also believe it will be alongside many other concepts of money (p2p or b2b credit, see ripple) that would over-all complement each other well. Bitcoin definitely is a strong force in the liberation of the idea of money.
legendary
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Remember, the term "dollar" and the term "pound" was just two different units of gold mass, pretty much like kilogram and ounce.

Silver actually, just to nitpick.
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