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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
Yeah, because that's an incredibly vague demand. What constitutes "full disclosure"? Why does a bank owe that to you?
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Ok, what does that literally mean? What information do you want to know? Why are you entitled to that information?

I want to know why it says (in micro-print) "authorized representative" below the signature line on my checks! Normally, you are entitled to full disclosure on a contract, and a check is nothing more than that.
Why can't you answer my questions?

You need to ask them one at a time with full context. Smiley
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Ok, what does that literally mean? What information do you want to know? Why are you entitled to that information?

I want to know why it says (in micro-print) "authorized representative" below the signature line on my checks! Normally, you are entitled to full disclosure on a contract, and a check is nothing more than that.
Why can't you answer my questions?
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
Yeah, because that's an incredibly vague demand. What constitutes "full disclosure"? Why does a bank owe that to you?

HONESTY constitutes full disclosure, and you are not able to demand it from a bank. Therefore, it is not possible at all for a bank to be honest; i.e. you cannot enter into such an agreement with a bank.
Ok, what does that literally mean? What information do you want to know? Why are you entitled to that information?

I want to know why it says (in micro-print) "authorized signature" below the signature line on my checks! Normally, you are entitled to full disclosure on a contract, and a check is nothing more than that.

See if a banker will tell you the truth about that!
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
Yeah, because that's an incredibly vague demand. What constitutes "full disclosure"? Why does a bank owe that to you?

HONESTY constitutes full disclosure, and you are not able to demand it from a bank. Therefore, it is not possible at all for a bank to be honest; i.e. you cannot enter into such an agreement with a bank.
Ok, what does that literally mean? What information do you want to know? Why are you entitled to that information?
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
If you were to attempt to change any part of the account agreement then the bank would not accept it (the same is true for most other companies). The agreement is also written in a way that allows them to amend the agreement.

Banks however are generally good with disclosing potential conflicts of interest and other issues regarding specific transactions as all types of banking transactions are heavily regulated, with the regulations demanding that banks issue very specific disclosures regarding various types of transactions
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
Yeah, because that's an incredibly vague demand. What constitutes "full disclosure"? Why does a bank owe that to you?

HONESTY constitutes full disclosure, and you are not able to demand it from a bank. Therefore, it is not possible at all for a bank to be honest; i.e. you cannot enter into such an agreement with a bank.
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Activity: 1834
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
Yeah, because that's an incredibly vague demand. What constitutes "full disclosure"? Why does a bank owe that to you?
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Activity: 546
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If you write "I demand full disclosure on all transactions" or words to that effect on your account agreement, no bank will accept it.
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Regulators are supposed to ensure that banks stay honest. Hopefully, these huge fines imposed on banks serve a purpose and banks have learned their lesson.
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I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

But you did agree to it.  No one made you walk into the bank, give them your money, and sign all those papers you signed but didn't read.  

go ahead and read them, nowhere will it say they are going to lend your money out.
and by the way you are forced to open a bank account by the government to pay taxes.

No, you aren't.  I lived for years without a bank account and had no problem paying taxes. 
sr. member
Activity: 350
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I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

If you think its such a good business then why dont you start bank?  Easy money, no?

if you have zero morals and have no problem to rob your fellow countrymen and you have the tens of millions of dollars it costs to comply with all the regulations i can't think of a better business for the rich sociopath.
of course you run the risk of an angry mob with pitchforks lynching you once the economy starts to fall apart...

Without getting too off topic, this is the sort of inane, lunatic  rambling that leads the average person to look at bitcoin and say "um yea no thanks".  
Back on topic, you keep saying all this stuff as if the "bank" came into your house and took your money.  If you are doing business with a bank it is quite the opposite; YOU chose to do business, and went out of your way to engage in business with the bank.  You do not have to if you do not want to, you know.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

But you did agree to it.  No one made you walk into the bank, give them your money, and sign all those papers you signed but didn't read.  

go ahead and read them, nowhere will it say they are going to lend your money out.
and by the way you are forced to open a bank account by the government to pay taxes.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

But you did agree to it.  No one made you walk into the bank, give them your money, and sign all those papers you signed but didn't read. 
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

If you think its such a good business then why dont you start bank?  Easy money, no?

if you have zero morals and have no problem to rob your fellow countrymen and you have the tens of millions of dollars it costs to comply with all the regulations i can't think of a better business for the rich sociopath.
of course you run the risk of an angry mob with pitchforks lynching you once the economy starts to fall apart...
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.

If you think its such a good business then why dont you start bank?  Easy money, no?
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  

its a scam because you did not agree for the bank to loan your money out when you opened a checking account, indeed no one tells you that's what they are going to do with it.
if they did tell you and you agreed you would have specified how much risk you allow the bank to take with your money and how much interest they are going to be paying you for that risk.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
I've been going over the history of modern banking, and right from the start when banks were little more than goldsmiths with vaults they already couldn't stop themselves from loaning out deposited client gold to other clients (e.g running a fractional reserve scam).

is it possible that humans by nature simply cannot hold other people's money for long periods of time without their greed leading either to them loaning out other people's money or downright running away with it?
it seems to me bitcoin's solution of being your own bank is the only way to keep your precious money from being stolen by one elaborate scam or another.

How is that a scam?  Why else would a bank accept your deposit, and pay you interest for it, if not to loan it out?  That's the whole point of a bank.  
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Theres a reason why banking is heavily regulated

banking regulation is a joke, those regulators end up working at the same banks they regulated after they are done living of the tits of the government.
the only viable solution is being your own bank by using bitcoin.

Nobody is stopping you from holding bitcoins.  Good luck in convincing the rest of the world

I'm not going to need to convince anyone.
once the fiat hyperinflation starts people won't have a choice.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
Theres a reason why banking is heavily regulated

banking regulation is a joke, those regulators end up working at the same banks they regulated after they are done living of the tits of the government.
the only viable solution is being your own bank by using bitcoin.

Nobody is stopping you from holding bitcoins.  Good luck in convincing the rest of the world
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