Is it possible for a football club to move from one football league to another

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

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As far as I've heard, no football clubs have moved countries yet...

but I don't know clearly in detail whether it can be done because as far as I know football clubs are like companies and many companies can move offices to other countries. although it may be possible to move to other countries but I am very sure that managing the move is very complicated.

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

I saw a rumored story about Real Madrid wanting to join the English Premier League, I do not know if this is true but is such a move even possible In the first place ?

Is someone generating these stories to try and get people talking on having the possibility of such a move, Has this happened before and don't talk about champions League this is actual league participation.

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Real Madrid have come out to deny reports that they have been looking at the feasibility of joining the English Premier League.

Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo have carried a report claiming that club officials have been studying the possibility of leaving La Liga after a further breakdown in relationship with La Liga chiefs over the recent £1.8bn private equity deal that Spain's top tier struck with CVC Capital Partners.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-transfer-news-saul-mbappe-21309506

I doubt that something like this is possible, after all we know that FIFA is a monopoly and all soccer is regulated by them and they are never going to allow a club to leave the league of their country and join another one, otherwise this could lead to a creation of a super league, plans that they squashed just this year, so while this could be interesting it is never going to actually happen as long as FIFA has complete control over the sport.

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This is not possible within UEFA. Within the framework of other leagues that will not be held under the leadership of UEFA, this is a quite possible option - as the court recently established, UEFA does not have a monopoly on holding sports competitions, so the clubs themselves can unite in tournaments convenient for them.

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Having Real Madrid in the English league will look colourful and interesting with the lineup of good players in their front roll but if it eventually happens many existing English club will go for religation because Real Madrid would certainly chain the pattern of English league giving it a different nature entirely

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Quote from: iv4n on August 15, 2021, 03:56:37 AM

yes, maybe you are right that's one of the reasons Real Madrid want to join another club.

I also found interesting information about the Feud between Real Madrid, the reason for this dispute.
From one source stated this.

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Real Madrid's feud with the Spanish league authorities, La Liga, regarding borrowing money from CVC Capital Partners is the source of the problem.

So this news was taken down and has been a conversation of pros and cons in spain lately, but in other sources I see there is a rebuttal in this matter.

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"In view of the information provided today by the newspaper Mundo Deportivo, where it is said that our club is learning from the Spanish League to the Premier League, Real Madrid wants to make it clear that it is completely wrong," reads a report from Real Madrid, quoting Marca, Sunday (15/8/2021).

"It (moving leagues) makes no sense and is impossible. It disturbs our club day to day."

I think this is already valid information, regarding the reason Real Madrid made that statement.

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There was an attempt by UK clubs and some clubs in Europe also to create their own super division, it failed and wasnt legal anyway. Fans never wanted them to become some elitist super circuit of only the richest clubs however the tv rights (globally) for such a thing would be very lucrative hence why they attempted it despite never getting proper permission from the FA. Madrid would have to rename at least and relocate, really doesn't make any sense bar the money aspect but I really doubt such a thing.

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

I saw a rumored story about Real Madrid wanting to join the English Premier League, I do not know if this is true but is such a move even possible In the first place ?

Is someone generating these stories to try and get people talking on having the possibility of such a move, Has this happened before and don't talk about champions League this is actual league participation.

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I think someone is just generating stories to spark up such moves. It's the first time I'm hearing about teams switching leagues. While I don't know how true it is or if it's possible to move, I do know that such moves wouldn't be easy to undertake. So if at all Madrid is opting for such, they need to be 100% sure about what they want.

Quote from: Ebede on August 15, 2021, 04:21:42 AM

This will be totally inappropriate if done, seems to be like the recent and newly European Super League..it will end up a failure at the end

It can happen and won't happen..I can't even imagine such happening.

Yes. That and also the fact that such abnormal event might motivate other teams to take a similar path if their current league is not up to par with the top competing leagues.

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

I saw a rumored story about Real Madrid wanting to join the English Premier League, I do not know if this is true but is such a move even possible In the first place ?

Is someone generating these stories to try and get people talking on having the possibility of such a move, Has this happened before and don't talk about champions League this is actual league participation.

I never saw that happen.
I don't doubt that it's impossible, as we've seen clubs change owners (often from different countries) and it may be their desire to move their headquarters to another location and participate in different leagues, but that would be something quite unusual.
Another important point against this would be the acceptance of the fans... would you like your team to participate in another league?
Anyway, possible or not, it's something quite unusual and should bring more problems than advantages for a club.

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

I saw a rumored story about Real Madrid wanting to join the English Premier League, I do not know if this is true but is such a move even possible In the first place ?

I do not think that would be possible, though there is nothing impossible, but why would Real Madrid do that is the question, they are well known in Spain, they are making their money. Thinking to join English league will not be possible, it will only be a rumor, this has not happened since the start of those strong leagues, I do not think it can start now too, but the owners of Real Madrid can think of a way to have new club in England or have shares in an existing club or buy a club in England, it is this one that can be possible, not Real Madrid to move all the way from Spain to England, it is no no.

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I guess Real Madrid is still pissed that their proposal for the European Super League (ESL) didn't went through. Such a proposal will never be accepted by the UEFA and the FIFA, because it will have an impact on the national administrative body (Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional in this case). And I too support the stance from UEFA. For the interest of popularity of the sport, national bodies should come before professional clubs. A part of the revenue earned from La Liga goes to grassroots development in Spain. With the ESL, that will not be possible anymore, as the clubs are not really interested in such development activity.

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Theoretically, it would only need to be authorised by the governing bodies, but in all likelihood probably not. Having said that, there are clubs currently playing in the wrong leagues, and in the future they might change that up. For example, when a lot of the most popular Welsh teams were established, a Welsh league didn't exist, and therefore they were put in the English league system, as that was their only choice. Hence why you have Swansea, Cardiff, Newport, Wrexham, and Merthyr playing in the English pyramid despite there now being a Welsh League.

Now, I don't think its entirely out of the question, that in the future there might be a change in that. Although, to expand on this; it is possible for teams to switch leagues. Leagues can disband, and not only teams.

Although, I think its much more likely that a team, and league in the same geographical area would be more likely to switch. I don't think there's much chance of Real Madrid swapping, and is likely just tabloids talking crap as per usual.

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Quote from: Ebede on August 15, 2021, 04:21:42 AM

This will be totally inappropriate if done, seems to be like the recent and newly European Super League..it will end up a failure at the end

It can happen and won't happen..I can't even imagine such happening.

I agree,, It could be another attempt to try to get people to reconsider the European Super League.

Quote from: Zilon on August 15, 2021, 03:19:06 AM

Even if this is true how would they move their stadium and it's facilities. If they story was real Madrid plans on opening a new club in the English premier league it would sound a bit understandable since it would mean the plan on having a new club in England and the real Madrid in Spain and this also will mean building new facilities like stadiums and lots more.

After putting some thought to the above , it's actually possible just not with its popular Spanish team but a totally new Real Madrid...like the English branch which could be called Real England or something Roll Eyes

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By the way how did RedBull have two football teams,as in RedBull Salzburg and RedBull Leipzig are these two teams not related to reach other?

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Isn't this just a rehash of a "rumor" from about six weeks ago that some of the English football league clubs were going to form a breakaway league of their own?

Fans a plenty were interviewed on TV news services decrying the proposal and vowing to cancel their life memberships in protest. The clubs quickly distanced themselves from the proposal.

The same thing will probably happen now.

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This will be totally inappropriate if done, seems to be like the recent and newly European Super League..it will end up a failure at the end

It can happen and won't happen..I can't even imagine such happening.

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Quote from: Zilon on August 15, 2021, 03:19:06 AM

Even if this is true how would they move their stadium and it's facilities. If they story was real Madrid plans on opening a new club in the English premier league it would sound a bit understandable since it would mean the plan on having a new club in England and the real Madrid in Spain and this also will mean building new facilities like stadiums and lots more.

You made me laugh here! I guess they can build a new stadium and facilities, bigger and better! The money shouldn't be a problem for them!

Quote from: YOSHIE on August 15, 2021, 01:57:02 AM

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What is clear is that there is an internal problem between ESL and Real Madrid, I don't know the real problem Real Madrid claims that statement, obviously there is no moving club to another club, join/support, maybe.
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UEFA has rejected a Madrid court’s decision on Friday which ruled that the European football governing body should drop any disciplinary proceedings against clubs involved in the controversial European Super League (ESL) proposals.

However, according to The Times, a source close to UEFA reaffirmed that the organisation has ‘no intention’ of fulfilling the order from the European Court of Justice, which ruled that UEFA must publish on its website that it has dropped all penalties – financial and sporting – against the clubs involved.
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The trio of remaining clubs released a statement following the court ruling, blasting UEFA’s ‘monopolistic’ hold over European football and insisting that they will still push through with plans and ‘keep developing’ the Super League.

“We have the duty to address the very serious issues facing football: UEFA has established itself as the sole regulator, exclusive operator, and unique owner of rights of European football competitions,” a joint statement from Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus read.

Source: https://insidersport.com/2021/08/02/uefa-has-no-intention-of-following-madrid-courts-esl-order/

Will be interesting to see what will happen with ESL project... as you can see there's a conflict, but between UEFA and some "super clubs" that wish to create their own league! As you can read, of the 12 ESL founding members, just three remain, while 9 backed out! It's a little EU football war!
Like in all conflicts, there are rumors on all sides, most of them just to hurt the other side... so this "rumor" about Real moving to another country is just an attack from UEFA probably! To annoy Real and all Real funs, and maybe to force management to quit from ESL idea!

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Quote from: Woodie on August 14, 2021, 04:54:53 PM

I saw a rumored story about Real Madrid wanting to join the English Premier League, I do not know if this is true but is such a move even possible In the first place ?

Is someone generating these stories to try and get people talking on having the possibility of such a move, Has this happened before and don't talk about champions League this is actual league participation.

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Real Madrid have come out to deny reports that they have been looking at the feasibility of joining the English Premier League.

Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo have carried a report claiming that club officials have been studying the possibility of leaving La Liga after a further breakdown in relationship with La Liga chiefs over the recent £1.8bn private equity deal that Spain's top tier struck with CVC Capital Partners.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-transfer-news-saul-mbappe-21309506

Maybe it can happen between the countries that have very close ties but otherwise I don't think that is possible.

I never heard such thing happened before but after doing some research I found this and I see it is quite common actually:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country

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Austria / Germany: SV Kleinwalsertal played in Germany from the 1960s until 2018, playing in the tier eleven B-Klasse Allgäu 8 in 2017–18.[5]

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Spain / France: UE Bossòst play in the French football league system (Occitanie League, Haute-Garonne District, D2).

As I guessed, it usually happens between the countries that speak the same language.

Like: Switzerland/Germany, Scotland/England, Austria/Germany, Ukraine/Russia etc...

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European club football history can be removed from the football league even today the big football could not give a solution in the us sports league, when high profile players switch teams they usually trade or sign as a free agent but players in the five largest eruropean football leagues are transferred and the acquiring team pays a transfer fee. Most of the transfer fee goes to the team owner but the player and others also get a share of it.

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Even if this is true how would they move their stadium and it's facilities. If they story was real Madrid plans on opening a new club in the English premier league it would sound a bit understandable since it would mean the plan on having a new club in England and the real Madrid in Spain and this also will mean building new facilities like stadiums and lots more.

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I was also asked that question about Real Madrid yesterday. They would have plans to play in the Premier League. don't think they're happy with that in England, especially not at the top. Yet another competitor for European football. And what about all that travelling. That doesn't work.

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I don't think such a switch in leagues is easily possible, and very unrealistic. The only chance would be for the coach and all players to switch to an English team, but then they wouldn't be called Real Madrid anymore. Also I am sure the Spanish fans wouldn't approve of it. Most of them would drop identify with the club. And English fans are also very loyal, they would approve of it either. The earnings would drop overnight.

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