Topic: Is it possible for a society to exist without poor? (Read 931 times)

It's very difficult but not impossible. Currently i do not know how, but if someone where to become a powerful politician maybe he could help the poor get out of that status.

It is possible to do away with hunger and homelessness. Just divide up the land equally, build a lot of houses, and require that everybody have their own vegetable garden that grows enough food to feed the household. Theoretically doable. However, you can't eliminate human nature like greed and envy. You're probably going to get things like, "His garden grew more food than my garden did" or "How come he has chickens?"

Singapore is a country without ghetto area. Per capital income is one of the highest in the world.

That is your answer right there.

I think it's imposible for society to exist without poor. Why? Since every normal person is going to want more and more of goods (money, houses, better cars...), they will have to ''fuck someone up'' to get more than others. This is normaly in society where i live done like this:
A: Hi, how can i help you?
B: I'd like to buy 1 L of milk
A: Thats 1,05$
B: How is that possible, yesterday it was 1,05$
A: Well i want more, since i did more to get milk to you
B: ok, here you go


So in net terms A didn't do anything else than raise price, and B paid for it, but now B is poorer, and A is richer, right? So put this in normal economies like we live in and you will see that this is human nature, to fight against others (in a polite and allowed way) and be better than others. There will allways be B's, so here is your answer.

There can be world without poverty, but there won't be. Ever. Over a billion people live in poverty. Nobody cares. In the last two decades, free markets have swept the globe. But traditional capitalism has been unable to solve problems like inequality and poverty. There is no hope for us. It will be only worse in the future.

Agreed there is no real rational reason for there to be the amount of poverty this planet has and things seem to be getting worse.  Those who make the argument that poverty is normal aren't getting the big picture even though they may have a strong understanding of the economics.

Poverty can be controled In a well organised country

There can never be a society without poor people because people have the capacity to choose their professions, and if people choose to take on a profession that will make them poor, such as writing, activism, or attempting to be the next Buddha, then we have no right to stop them.

Assuming everyone in a given society wants to be wealthy from their work, then yes, it is absolutely possible for there to exist a society without the poor.  Ignoring people who choose not to be wealthy, and focusing only on those who want to be wealthy but are prevented, we only have to look at what stops them from becoming so.  Off the top of my head, these reasons come to mind:

1. Inability to begin a business, thereby creating work to be done
2. Inability to work under agreed conditions between himself and another, whether he is the employer or employee
3. Inability to keep the wealth he has generated to spend where he deems appropriate

Remember that wealth is not distributed, but created; wealth is additive, not divided.

So, what happens when a man realizes there is a need he can provide for in his community?
1. Not enough money to pay his government for the right to do so.  Not enough money to beat the local state-granted monopoly's prices.  Not enough money to pay for employees who are more expensive than they're worth.

So, what happens when a man realizes he must work to earn enough to begin his business?
2. Regulation makes him too expensive to hire for entry-level positions; not only does this stop him from generating wealth, it stops little businesses from forming all together, including his.  He doesn't have enough savings to work on his skill set so he can be worth the amount his government makes him to be, so he gets stuck in a rut.  Finally, after living impoverished for some time, he develops enough talent to be worth hiring.

So, what happens once, or if, he finally finds work?
3. The wealth he generates is siphoned out by the business which needs to pay off the government, including various regulatory costs and taxes, and must pay for the unfair favors other businesses are getting via lobbying, as well as siphoned directly by government itself for egalitarian purposes such as welfare and subsidies.  The man, ultimately, is not left with enough money to even dream of competing with the major businesses of the area, and only makes enough for subsistence.

Thus, we see, the reason why any given society has so many poor people, is due to their wealth generated being swallowed up by the hydra of big government and big business.

To answer the question: it's only possible if people can get over their superstitions and begin to practice secular rationalism.  Until then, no, every society must have poor people for the state to farm.

Yes, and therefore other more peaceful nations should offer defensive assistance if a nation is being invaded. In that way the aggressive nation will quickly realize it's not worth the effort.

they are not because there are bigger countries preventing them from doing so and the UN..

there will always be barbaric nations, there always was 

Then other small nations would have to join and stop the aggressive ones. Most people in the world are not interested in invading other countries anyway, so that would not be I big problem I believe.

Agreed, this planet is resource rich and those resources are being wasted and exploited simply to gain power over others simple as that.   

but sometime one of the smaller nations would start invading other small nations and there would be no big nation to stop it

And therefore it would be better if there were many small countries instead of a few big ones. The smaller society, the more important your voice gets.

it's a fantasy world only for big countries, there it can't be done

but small countries who are accidently placed on an area with plenty of resources might achieve this..

as I said, something like Qatar

the damn country has a BDP od 98 000$ per capita

It worked for a long time in Sweden. Then the neo-liberal ideas broke through in the early 90's and fucked up the economy.
Before that there was almost no unemployment, good wages and working conditions. And if you couldn't find a job or was unable to work the government gave you enough money to live on. Most poor did not become lazy, since they earned more if they worked. Sure, there were lazy people that faked diseases to get the money and instead got paid from their works "under the table".
But you have to have in mind that the social-democratic party was in charge of the country for almost one-hundred years (with a few years of conservative rule every now and then).

Yes ,is possible in a fantasy world were is no greed and everything is shared equally,were people are not poor or middle class or rich.....are just people .......but as i said in fantasy !

it is possible but only in small countries with plenty of oil

something like Qatar

and its because the people in control want to exploit those resources to become more rich rather than their good use.

I'm leaning towards yes it is very possible.  For example earth has all kinds of resources that are not being used for maximum benefits for the people for example land and water...