Is it possible to accelerate this transaction?

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 24, 2023, 01:45:14 AM

I can still see it, so it's back in their queue.

Yeah, I can see it on Blockchair now also. Although this is completely irrelevant - whether or not one node in the network drops it or keeps it in their mempool makes absolutely no difference. The transaction as it stands is not going to confirm for weeks, at least. What OP needs to do remains unchanged:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 19, 2023, 12:44:37 AM

So you need to contact Gamdon, explain your withdrawal has been stuck for 3 weeks, explain that given the state of the mempool at the moment it is likely going to be stuck for many more weeks, and ask them to replace it with a transaction paying a more appropriate fee.

Additionally, you could try asking them to send the coins to a different address, one which comes from a real bitcoin wallet such as Electrum or Sparrow which would allow you to use CPFP to avoid this situation in the first place.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 23, 2023, 11:14:46 AM

Although as of right now, Blockchair seems to have dropped it again.

I can still see it, so it's back in their queue. Sadly, this is going to take a long time to fix. The transaction is 55 vMB from the top. It's the weekend, but the network isn't showing signs of clearing up anytime soon.

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Have you contacted Gamdom and explained what is happening?

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Quote from: JeromeTash on September 23, 2023, 08:38:39 AM

Why would a service do such a thing if the transaction has been dropped from the mempool without even thinking about modifying the fee rate?

There is no saying that it was the service in question which rebroadcast it. Anyone at all who knew about the transaction could have rebroadcast it, including any node on the network or anyone who viewed the transaction on a block explorer.

Although as of right now, Blockchair seems to have dropped it again.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on September 23, 2023, 08:38:39 AM

Quote from: DaveF on September 18, 2023, 03:02:56 PM

It will eventually fall out of most nodes that have default settings:
Even now it's not in blockchair
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

It might have been dropped from some nodes a while back, but now it's back on. Looks like it was rebroadcast an hour ago, according to blockchair.

Why would a service do such a thing if the transaction has been dropped from the mempool without even thinking about modifying the fee rate?

It costs nothing to do it (rebroadcast it). Then hope that fees drop to say 5 sats in a week or 2.

The biggest issue is recipient waits for his $$.

This problem is not going away for this and lots of other transactions.

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Quote from: DaveF on September 18, 2023, 03:02:56 PM

It will eventually fall out of most nodes that have default settings:
Even now it's not in blockchair
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

It might have been dropped from some nodes a while back, but now it's back on. Looks like it was rebroadcast an hour ago, according to blockchair.

Why would a service do such a thing if the transaction has been dropped from the mempool without even thinking about modifying the fee rate?

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Quote from: simpleSliv3r on September 23, 2023, 04:37:59 AM

And another point, if it's not OP fault, if it's company fault I think they MUST do it as they "lost" or "block" their customer money because an error.

It's definitely Gamdom's fault and not the OPs. Gamdom is a crypto casino that doesn't charge its players any transaction fees. Also, the player can't select between different priority levels when initiating their withdrawals. If that were the case, we could say the blame is to be shared between Gamdom and the player. But it's not.

Gamdom pays for the network fees from their pockets. It seems they are sending their withdrawals (at least they did with this one) paying low fees not to waste too much of their own money. The result of that is a transaction that has been stuck for +3 weeks. Some other casinos overpay to get a quick confirmation and prevent exactly what happened to OP.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 23, 2023, 01:16:15 AM

Quote from: simpleSliv3r on September 22, 2023, 02:24:01 PM

Maybe you already tried but, try to talk to the customer support team of that services and see if they can do a CPFP as I see that RBF is not enabled on that tx.

I would be very surprised if that worked, but it doesn't hurt to try. I am yet to meet a knowledgeable support rep on a crypto casino that has something more than a very basic understanding of how Bitcoin and crypto works. It would require Gamdom to play around with private keys, which they might not be happy about. It's hard to get centralized exchanges to do it for the same reason. And the question is, can they even do it? They might be working with a custodial service or payment gateway on their end as well.

Yeah I agree is not easy, but to try it, is free, even more if it's their fault because they have miscalculated the fees required. I think how they do is irrelevant, at the end, their service "complexity" should be transparent for the customer.

And another point, if it's not OP fault, if it's company fault I think they MUST do it as they "lost" or "block" their customer money because an error.

Note: I know it's not lost but let's be realistic 6sats/vb without CPFP and RBF and more than 450k tx in the mempool.... An infinite queue on the meempol == lost.

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Quote from: simpleSliv3r on September 22, 2023, 02:24:01 PM

Maybe you already tried but, try to talk to the customer support team of that services and see if they can do a CPFP as I see that RBF is not enabled on that tx.

I would be very surprised if that worked, but it doesn't hurt to try. I am yet to meet a knowledgeable support rep on a crypto casino that has something more than a very basic understanding of how Bitcoin and crypto works. It would require Gamdom to play around with private keys, which they might not be happy about. It's hard to get centralized exchanges to do it for the same reason. And the question is, can they even do it? They might be working with a custodial service or payment gateway on their end as well.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 22, 2023, 01:38:35 PM

Quote from: simpleSliv3r on September 22, 2023, 11:12:32 AM

I recommend you to just spend that transaction. Create a new transaction using the one that is stucked and use a hight fee (enough to pay for both tx), this is called CPFP.

He can't do that because he is using Cash app, a custodial service. CPFP doesn't work in this situation because Cash App doesn't give him access to the private keys. On top of that, another centralized service (the casino Gamdom) sent the transaction, so he doesn't control the change address either.

The fees for this transaction can only be increased by Gamdom, and I don't think that's something they do. Nevertheless, it's a pretty bad estimate of Gamdom to use such low fees when they sent the transaction weeks ago.

Oh, thanks for the clarification, I did not read all the posts.
Well, he said he's new on crypto. Lesson learned, NOT YOUR KEYS NOT YOUR COINS.

Maybe you already tried but, try to talk to the customer support team of that services and see if they can do a CPFP as I see that RBF is not enabled on that tx.

Ah and... don't get frustrated, we all make mistakes in the beginning and we have all been through similar things so... take it easy

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Quote from: simpleSliv3r on September 22, 2023, 11:12:32 AM

I recommend you to just spend that transaction. Create a new transaction using the one that is stucked and use a hight fee (enough to pay for both tx), this is called CPFP.

He can't do that because he is using Cash app, a custodial service. CPFP doesn't work in this situation because Cash App doesn't give him access to the private keys. On top of that, another centralized service (the casino Gamdom) sent the transaction, so he doesn't control the change address either.

The fees for this transaction can only be increased by Gamdom, and I don't think that's something they do. Nevertheless, it's a pretty bad estimate of Gamdom to use such low fees when they sent the transaction weeks ago.

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Quote from: Kelbacho on September 17, 2023, 12:01:38 AM

https://mempool.space/tx/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

And are any of the so called accelerators legitimate things or is that all just a scam? New to crypto sorry

I recommend you to just spend that transaction. Create a new transaction using the one that is stucked and use a hight fee (enough to pay for both tx), this is called CPFP.

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Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 11:55:40 PM

it was on gamdom

So you need to contact Gamdon, explain your withdrawal has been stuck for 3 weeks, explain that given the state of the mempool at the moment it is likely going to be stuck for many more weeks, and ask them to replace it with a transaction paying a more appropriate fee.

Additionally, you could try asking them to send the coins to a different address, one which comes from a real bitcoin wallet such as Electrum or Sparrow which would allow you to use CPFP to avoid this situation in the first place.

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Quote from: DaveF on September 18, 2023, 03:02:56 PM

Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 01:45:13 PM

Will it eventually say declined or something on the mempool? Or what exactly am I waiting to see if it is stuck and never gets confirmed?

It will eventually fall out of most nodes that have default settings:
Even now it's not in blockchair
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

The catch is most pools & explorers keep TX for a very long time since the pools want to have the chance to mine whatever they can and the explorers tend to want to display as much info as possible.
Other then paying for acceleration it's just a waiting game.

But as LoyceV said it really could stay there for a looooog time:

Quote from: LoyceV on September 17, 2023, 01:17:06 AM

If the sender keeps broadcasting the transaction, there is no maximum amount of time.

Do you know from what wallet the sender sent it from?

-Dave

Im not really sure cause i think it auto sends it was on gamdom

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Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 01:45:13 PM

Will it eventually say declined or something on the mempool?

No, it won't say anything. There is no singular mempool - every node has its own mempool. Some have dropped it already, some will drop it eventually, some may never drop it at all.

Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 01:45:13 PM

Or what exactly am I waiting to see if it is stuck and never gets confirmed?

It's already stuck. It's been stuck for three weeks. You should be contacting the sender and asking them to replace the transaction with one paying a higher fee.

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Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 01:45:13 PM

Will it eventually say declined or something on the mempool? Or what exactly am I waiting to see if it is stuck and never gets confirmed?

It will eventually fall out of most nodes that have default settings:
Even now it's not in blockchair
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

The catch is most pools & explorers keep TX for a very long time since the pools want to have the chance to mine whatever they can and the explorers tend to want to display as much info as possible.
Other then paying for acceleration it's just a waiting game.

But as LoyceV said it really could stay there for a looooog time:

Quote from: LoyceV on September 17, 2023, 01:17:06 AM

If the sender keeps broadcasting the transaction, there is no maximum amount of time.

Do you know from what wallet the sender sent it from?

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Quote from: Kelbacho on September 17, 2023, 12:01:38 AM

https://mempool.space/tx/3a88b7e9edb449562f6a62e05e763d3890b7ffb52b5e8d0c21a19a2f1b2bd042

And are any of the so called accelerators legitimate things or is that all just a scam? New to crypto sorry

the fee was 6.85 sats a byte. So viabtc will not accelerate it for free.

https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

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Will it eventually say declined or something on the mempool? Or what exactly am I waiting to see if it is stuck and never gets confirmed?

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Quote from: khaled0111 on September 17, 2023, 03:39:42 PM

I suppose blockexplorers connect to more nodes than any other default node or they run their own nodes with increased limits.

Connecting to more nodes wouldn't make a difference in the case where the transaction was above the default purge limit when it was broadcast, only if you now tried to broadcast a transaction below the default purge limit. If you only broadcast to nodes which won't relay your transaction, then the nodes with the higher limits will never learn of it.

Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 12:14:28 AM

i can ask op sender but other than that nothing they could do.

Who is the original sender? Someone somewhere has the ability to replace this transaction with one paying a decent fee. Who is that person?

Quote from: Kelbacho on September 18, 2023, 03:06:24 AM

If it doesnt drop does it stay there forever or something just sitting there as a transaction in the void type of thing?

Either you wait until the fee rate drops enough that it will be confirmed, or whoever sent you that transaction will use those inputs in another transaction and invalidate your transaction meaning you will never receive your money.

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Quote from: stompix on September 17, 2023, 12:09:44 AM

There is one legit accelerator that will actually confirm your tx and not just rebroadcast, and that it is ViaBTC!

The number of legit transaction accelerators is more than one. Binance offers transaction acceleration service to VIP users and regular users via Telegram. At the moment, it costs 0.002776 BTC to accelerate his transaction but I speculate those who have high VIP rank on Binance like VIP 5 or higher, it might be cheaper for them to accelerate it.

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I looked at binance for one and they offered a service but at about 80$ i just don’t know anything about accelerators and if they would actually guarantee it to be processed

Good, they will definitely 100% include your transaction in next block if you pay. By the way, maybe ask if there are some Binance VIP users who can check your transaction on this page https://pool.binance.com/en/acceleration because I think there is a chance, they may do it with discount for high VIP users. Or if $80 is okay for you and don't mind, then contact them via telegram @BinancePoolAccelerator

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For next time: use your own wallet to receive Bitcoin. I don't know "cash app", but if it doesn't give you access to the private keys, I wouldn't call it a wallet.
The downside of using your own wallet is having to pay transaction fees, but the upside is the possibility to use CPFP when the sender uses a low fee. It'll cost you, but at least you can access your money.

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