Topic: Is it time now to use Premium VPN when playing in the casino? (Read 491 times)

Yeah, Free VPN is worst than having no VPN at all. There’s a lot of confirmed issue like this which a user was connected to an account that belongs to different country just because he use free VPN using different country.

I already update the thread for the answer in this topic. VPN is not necessary if you are genuinely playing using 1 account because casino based their accusations through patterns on the account activity.

I will lock now this thread for real. 

Yes, we should be definitely using VPN premium services with a dedicated IP address for us. Relying on free or cheap VPN services that have a changing IP adress every day seems like big risk. It's pretty easy for the casino to realize that the gambler is logging in every day with different IP adresses. This might be fine for a few days, but eventually an alarm will go off for the casino and they might check the account manually. For me the risk would be way too high to have my account locked and all my money frozen for using a VPN that creates some issues. Depending on our monthly gambling bankroll, paying for a VPN service might only make up a small part of our expenses or profits. What is a small monthly fee if in the worst case without it we are losing everything? At the moment I am not using a VPN because I feel like it's not really necessary.

What is the point of using a VPN? If a casino platform is not available for your country just let it slide. There are so many other casinos with better features and good bonuses. I don't like the fact people has to use VPN to access someone site it is against the terms and condition. And the gambler will be at risk because if he has deposited so many funds over there, he may lose them all if the casino company found out that he has been using VPN to access the site.

The terms say it all; you read them, and you'll know if they are allowed or not. I don't know what "friendly" specifically means, as that is indefinite, so it's possible they are friendly at the beginning but then later decide not to be friendly? There should be a real specification in the TOS as that is our basis when applying something different on a gambling site, like using a VPN service, and it's either it's a go or no.

Reading the terms of our favorite casino is the first step, since there are some casinos that are friendly towards that practice as long as you are not abusing their bonuses or other offers, however there are casinos that are not friendly towards the use of a VPN and anyone doing so is taking a massive risk, as if they were to win big there, their profits could go unpaid, and even if we may consider such policy unfair, ultimately each casino can enforce any policies they may like.

I use Premium VPN but only for casinos that are friendly with VPN use and also use this VPN only to bypass blocking from the provider, not because I want to cheat and so on, and it seems that using VPN nowadays for gambling is a normal thing, and if there is any players who are having problems using a VPN are very likely because there is something else suspicious that causes the casino to ban the account.
It seems impossible for the casino to ban just because of using a VPN.
However, for players who really prefer to use a VPN, they should first check the terms and conditions of the casino regarding VPN If it turns out that it is not allowed, it would be better not to force yourself to keep playing there because there are quite a lot of online casinos nowadays and can be used as an option by checking first.

Thank you very much again for your help. Now this clarify the confusion on this matter. The recent issue with same reason of problem makes me feel conscious about IP sharing. But I guess most of this user is indeed hiding something with their statement.

I will update the OP and include your answer to help other user cleard doubt about this sensitive topic that recently arise in the forum even though this already an old issue before.

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I want to thanks everyone that share their insights. I hope everyone learn something here from @sirjonvonslotty(the real gem in gambling board secrion).

Yes, reading the terms of services is a must so we knows what the casino rule and that can helps us not breaks intentionally or unintentionally. We can knows what we needs to do when playing gambling and not trying to breaks any rules from the casino because that can makes us getting a problem. A gambler doesn't have to create many accounts just to play on the same casino because that can risks himself from abusing the rules of the casino. Besides that, playing gambling is just for fun and not makes money so with having one account can makes us feel safe when playing gambling and can enjoy the gambling itself. I never share my WIFI with friends, especially from my smartphone due to security.

Any actions from a person to bypass casinos rules & regulation, will eventually get flagged.. and in most cases this happens when you win a large amount and you want to cash out. The casino will first check if there are any reason not to pay out the claim, because they allow the withdrawal and if they pick up any VPN use, they might block the withdrawal and the account.

I will advise against using any VPN when it comes to casinos.... and remember many of these casinos are using the same providers and if you are blocked on one provider.. then it will be blocked on all other casinos where that provider is used. 

It's in no ones interest to ban legit players who contribute to the business, but it also depends on what you guys are doing.

If you're just playing with your own routines, credit cards and games, everything will be done in the background regarding checks, the matrix will not flag you since it can see that you're from the same city/street/household, no one will get into trouble. Imagine people gaming from a hotel room or a resort, they are all on the same IP, but the matrix isn't triggered because it sees different account details, gameplay patterns and funding sources. I also used to play online poker with newly registered friends in the same room and operators wouldn't mind it since the reg data was legit.

So if you're not doing anything shady, don't worry about the same IP, friends connecting and playing on the same wi-fi and so on.

However, if you're both registering at the same time and trying to abuse the betting or bonus mechanic from the same IP, and additionally using store bought debit cards or random crypto wallets, then yes, you'll get banned.

Sorry if I overlooked your post due to tons of reply that flooded it already including my notification bot. Your insights is very helpful to determine what’s the actual happening in the casinomin regards with determining the VPN use and how it impacts based on the license type of the casino.

One follow up question before I wrapped this thread since all this topic started due to the recent issue about multiple account. Assuming that the user is honestly share an IP to an account from family member or visiting friend, does casino automatically consider it as multiple account already or they are still doing some investigation such as gambling pattern and so on to establish the connection.

This is one of main concern since I have friends that use same casino(I refer to them) while we always hang out on our house or other friends while we connect on same wifi.

Lastly, Does casino record IP if connect to someone wifi while my account is still logged in on my browser even though I’m not playing?


PS: I don’t have merit now so I owe you some once I got smerit.

sometimes I use a VPN just to be able to access slot providers, sometimes when I access using a crypto gambling site it seems like it is rejected or can't be accessed because suddenly the DNS changes automatically so I sometimes use VPN only for certain things, not to cross country boundaries.
IMO, the problem that occurred to the person in the thread seems to be an unintentional mistake because it uses the same IP, but each gambling platform has different regulations and in my opinion, if you use a premium VPN only for something that doesn't violate the ToS, it doesn't seem like it there are problems but it is highly recommended to continue using premium VPN so you can get an IP in the same country as you say.

maybe this is the reason I choose to use a private network from my own phone which is safer and less risky in terms of IP or whatever and every time a friend or family member asks to share a network connection from my cellphone, I usually refuse for the security of my own IP and never use the wifi network as long as I am anywhere.

Why would anyone try to use a VPN if it's against the TOS of a casino? That's suicide, and it just lets them trigger the freezing of funds. Most casinos probably allow using VPN, but if a user uses VPN to bypass any restriction, then it's a violation of the TOS, and the account will be dealt with accordingly.


Right there and then, they will know if you are using a VPN because it will change your location from your original one when you registered it without a VPN. However, they could delay the action of such a violation, and you'll just be surprised when your account is compromised, thinking what you are doing is acceptable but actually it's not.

Did I help you with your research and do you need any further guidance or info?

Just asking because I'm getting frustrated by all the random replies that are there just to bump up their gambling post count, it's just random jibberish at this point, and if your question was answered I would love to see this thread locked.

It’s a genuine question. Sorry if it’s sounds like I’m advertising. I just want to know if someone here using the same VPN. 


I specifically mention premium VPN so that user can choose IP freely to the country where they truly live. Also premium VPN has a dedicated IP feature that you can use to assure that you will only using unique IP even at home. Your concern about possible vulnerabilities on the VPN side is very possible to happened and good point on this discussion.


Most of the casino doesn’t care about VPN as long as you will use an IP that same with your country or any country which will doesn’t hide your location assuming that you are from restricted country. As long as you don’t bypass country restrictions some casino allows it. They even suggest using it for claiming free spin of pragmatic slot providers in case I can’t access it through regular IP.


This is the specific issue that I’m scared that’s why I created this thread. Casino doesn’t do further investigation once there’s already an IP connection on two or more account regardless if it’s from family or visiting friend.

Do casinos accept the possibility of playing with a VPN in their ToS?
Couldn't they see this move as an attempt to defraud in some way?

I won't go into the specific details of 2 topics in OP but you must always know all the details and if two people in the same house use the same gambling service it is very likely that they will be reported as "fraud" by their internal systems.

This sounds like a bit of a marketing ploy to advertise a VPN service, but it's quite possibly a genuine question. You run numerous risks when using a VPN that could set you up for disaster down the line. Many casinos and sportbooks will allow it, because crypto is still a bit of a wild west when it comes to regulation and countries like the US/UK have strict laws on gambling but can also be some of the most profitable markets. However at some point you will need to share your identity documents, which may raise questions if you have given a false country at signup and are using a VPN to appear from that country. In theory as well, the VPN provider may be vulnerable to man in the middle type attacks, depending on the setup, which could leave your account vulnerable.

Reading the terms and conditions of casinos before gambling should be the first thing that comes to our mind, I know how difficult it will be at first stands, but we ensure we keep tracks of our steps in the system. We're advance in the system and anything we do, we ensure we're always on the winning side and hoping for greater heights to hits in the system. Playing casinos does require VPN in some part of the world? Well I've no idea VPN is needed to play casino because I'm playing here with my normal cellular network, by the way, what's the need of gambling with VPN except your country doesn't support gambling on casino right?

some casinos do not allow their users to play using vpn for reasons to avoid multiple accounts. if gamblers know these restrictions, it means that it is quite risky for them to play using a vpn even when they don't intend to create multiple accounts or anything that violates casino rules.

so it's best, if possible, never use a vpn when playing to avoid problems in the future, because the casino could use this as an excuse to avoid paying you the reward. even if you want to play at an online casino, try to find a casino that is not blocked in your country and just play, it should be much better than playing using a vpn.

Before using a VPN in a casino, read the casino's terms and conditions carefully. If the casino doesn't allow you to use a VPN then you can never use a premium VPN as it will be against their rules and they may close your account. These are commonly used by country. In countries where casino games are illegal playing using a VPN is not a problem. Gambling with a VPN is not illegal. By using a VPN to access gambling sites you are only protecting your online casino from being tracked and ensuring that your personal information is kept safe. The platform will only receive information about the VPN server you are connected to.

Since you gamble together with your friend for sure he know the rule of the casino if he's regularly playing so much better if he have his own network connection so that there's no using of same IP will happen. Since this will became so bad if both of you will got caught sharing the same IP and the casino will think about that you are cheating their system. But also in the case that one of your family member gamble to maybe just tell her/him that you should register on other platform to avoid getting any similar issues since we know how casino so tight regarding on multiple account usage on their casino. Sometimes its bit hassle but for account security and for not getting any stress for some doubts upon using VPN or other things much better we should adjust on the system they want to implement.

OP, do you always share wifi with friends at all time? If you are not doing so at all times, there is no way you will be having same IP with your friends all the time and the casino administrators are smart enough to always monitor the changes in IP and their are obviously other things they must consider before they link two accounts as one. If you observe any activity as what will make your account to be link to your friends or brothers, what should do is no avoid engaging in such activities at all time. You already mentioned sharing of WiFi which I you might not want to share same network at all times.  Before you start to use a premium VPN, ensure that the casino permits it in their casino terms and policy.

Sometimes I also wonder if other casinos also know that it is possible that in a home all the people are gambling on a casino platform via online. Of course, on the part of a gambler, it seems unfair. A house should have multiple internet providers, right?

So if we gamble, and that's how we know that online casinos don't want to have an account with more than one IP address, different data connections should be used, and mobile devices should also be used for different IP addresses, not wifi connections.

What I know is that using a VPN is very risky in gambling. Especially if the gambling site has rules that prohibit the use of VPN. In the long term, VPN use will still be detected and can cause several problems with your account. It's better to avoid and try other sites to be safer and more comfortable

I do not see how using VPN will solve the issues you referenced because I believe the casinos must have noticed things that broke their rules even though I cannot guarantee the reputation of the casinos, I mean if they are not intentionally doing this to deny them their funds. If it is not issue with the reputation of the casinos, I thing VPN is not really the issue as the casinos would have had solid evidence of violations of TOS that made them take the strong decision they took. Unless I'm wrong, I think that using VPN might just complicate things for gamblers because most casinos might regard it as outright violations.

Its not advisable with any large quantity of crypto to use a VPN as you are possibly in a bad area when trying to claim winnings.  If you are using large amounts when betting then clarifying which route is allowed seems best before risking being caught up in terms and conditions of usage. Seems a bad risk to take the double gamble if you can avoid any additional complications or use recommended path to login, a different web address or alternate site is the ideal way to go ahead with fair usage.

I believe the OP is a regular gambler as he has other referrals (friends) also that are into gambling. So yeah, I believe he needs it to make sure that he won't be in trouble to the site. Other than KYC protocols, the site can always validate the player's claim by checking his activities on the site. How deposit bonuses is being used is just the tip of the iceberg if the player will abuse the multi-accounting facet in gaming.

So a premium VPN with a dedicated IP is like having your personal online identity right? It's a way to make sure you and your friends using the same casino don't accidentally trigger alarms for multiple accounts from one IP. It's kind of like having your own VIP entrance to the online casino world, avoiding any hassle or confusion that might arise from sharing the same virtual space with your buddiesso I think it may great to hve one

Yes, KYC can help people to know not to have more than one accounts. But know that VPN is not only used for gambling, it can be used for many other reasons, especially for people which are crypto users that like privacy. There are other sites that you may also want to access that you do not want to use your IP address for it. There is a good VPN that can also be used without ads, I have used the free version of proton VPN and no ads, although it is a paid VPN.

Really though on most countries you don't need a VPN to access online casinos. They mostly work with just changing the DNS. Most countries don't have further enforcement against online casinos so the extra privacy of a VPN is not that needed.

Also be wary of these "premium" personal IP services as they are often scams. Or at the very least misleading. You should be careful in which casino you play at though, if they are not friendly to a VPN and you need a VPN in your country and might as well not okay at these casinos. Go to casinos that don't care about KYC and VPNs instead.

In response to the op, I think this only applies to those who hold gambling to a high value, not for once in a while gamblers like myself and some other persons.
But normally, I think the question should be whether it's worth it, if some one has absolutely no other thing to do with the premium VPN aside gambling, then to me, I don't think it's worth it, spending on VPN monthly solely for the purpose of gambling looks like a wastage of resources to me, except like I said before, the person holds gambling to a high value like; he or she depends on gambling as a means of income and so on - anything outside of this, I don't think it's worth it.

What I did do myself to avoid such issues is to be very careful so as not to allow people connect to my hotspot for the purpose of playing on the same casino where I play, if a friend runs out of internet data and needs my help, I will rather gift him or her some of my internet data than allow or turn on my hotspot for them, except the friend is playing on a different casino, or doing something else entirely.

The proper step is to read the terms of service of the casino if the use of a VPN  is accepted. If you don't understand some parts of the document and need clarification, you could seek more information from the support service. The easiest way to avoid all this multiple accounts drama due to the use of the same Internet Protocol (IP) address is to use your internet connections alone. If you are an active gambler you have to use your phone or internet connection alone to avoid this problem. I am not a fan of sharing WIFI with friends due to security concerns. Your friends should use their own connections to avoid this long process.

with just a few BTC in our account, you still going to be at risk if you have another account if they check your account all of a sudden randomly.
casinos are smart enough to conclude why a user does have a 2nd account, of course, they will analyze what it is for and they know that already. and then they register an IP address to each account, and seeing people using VPN, will alarm them.

casinos are doing KYC, it would be crazy to see your documents say you are from Thailand, and then your log is saying Germany.

Ofc, I'm gonna speak plainly.

If you're on an unlicensed or curacao licensed brand (or equivalent), as long as you're not activating the money laundering matrix (e.g. depositing large amounts from different credit cards) and as long as you're playing in the casinos favor, no one is going to do anything. However, as soon as the first big win hits, and you want to get money out of the casino, they will trigger KYC, and if you registered with a German IP, but your documents are from Netherlands, they will just refund you the funds that you've placed on that winning bet (just the winning bet, not everything historically that you've lost, they will gladly take that), and then close your account. Remember, casinos are here for entertainment, not for giving out money to every player. If the business model would be to give out every anon player $100 + a kiss on the forehead, they would quickly go bankrupt. The business model is to entertain you, and charge you for that.

If you're on an MGA licensed brand, you will not get close to serious deposits without KYC, and they have methods of knowing if you're using a VPN or not. There's a bulk list (and several providers for them) that show which IP addresses common VPN's use, and you can be triggered as a VPN user easily. It costs money and resources, so usually only larger operations have this. The main reason that they have it is because they want to comply with the various governements as much as possible so that when they open up to other operators (like Netherlands just did) the government will check their books, see that they never operated illegally on their market, and grant them a license there.

So, just a recap:
#1. The operator has ways of knowing if you're on a VPN or not
#2. Depending on the license and legality of their business, they might keep you unverified if you're lucrative to the business. Again, casinos are here for entertainment, with just a handful of winners.
#3. As soon as you're asking for withdrawals, they can figure you out through a KYC, close your account and refer any questions to the TOS.
#4. If you're, let us say, from Germany, using a German VPN IP, and playing on a German online casino, usually nothing will happen even if they KYC you.


Last week I was traveling around London and entered a few steak houses just to see slot machines and people fighting for "who's gonna go next", one poor fella spent a good 30 mins and god knows how much money, with a theory "the machine is going to "give" soon". And I'm like, no, that would be stupid. The machine is here to entertain you and give you that thrill, but it just doesn't make sense for the business if the machine gives out a jackpot everyday. Sure it's gonna give it at one point, but let's assume that that's not gonna be you at that moment - that's the only healthy way on how to enjoy these things, everything else is delusional.


We do, but it's rare. You can see that it's not the same user, different credit card, different playing patterns etc + you can KYC them and see different documents. However, since most people are usually losing, they don't share that with others. Those few that sometimes win or play some games competitively, they do tend to have family members, but it's really rare.  

It's very strange that casinos don't allow multiple accounts from one IP because I think there will be many cases when two family members gamble and because of this restriction, they probably have to choose different casinos and because of that, some casinos might lose a good, loyal customers.
I think it's a good idea to have a look at this thread if you want to choose a VPN service provider: List of VPN Service Providers - 2024.
When purchasing a VPN, one has to choose VPN with dedicated IP. The advantage of dedicated IP is that it won't be blacklisted and no one else will be use that IP but disadvantage is that you are sacrificing your privacy (information will still be hidden from your ISP).
P.S. If you choose a VPN with dedicated IP, be sure that your exact location and bought IP's location match each other because it's a violation of rules if you try to use a VPN to bypass location restriction, keep that in mind.

I don't use vpn when gambling because the sites I gamble on can be run on my local area network without vpn. But when some sites are down, I use free vpn just to access the sites.  And since I don't use big amounts in gambling, I don't have much risk. I don't care about the amount I deposit into gambling sites. so never thought that account lock or suspension can be a problem for me. but if someone worried for his deposit or worried about safety then he/she can use premium vpn. I don't know if using a premium vpn can make any difference in terms of security because if you have to kyc you can never stay anonymous.

If you're complying and not wanting a banned account then it's a good idea for you to start using that, definitely would help you more and it's hassle free compared to risking not using a VPN and your friends are playing in your home connected to the same IP and then getting banned over this stupid clause in a lot of casinos' terms and conditions and then having to prove your innocence, that you've never done any multi accounting scheme and that it's really your friend's account that's just connected your WiFi.

To be honest, when it comes to casino, I find some of their applied terms and conditions are stupid or if it was implemented in real life are just too crazy if not too strict? Ain't no way everyone's going to follow that crazy stuff and some of them are just outright ridiculous, like this one, wouldn't that be an advantage for the gambling sites that someone's got a multiple account because that can only mean that they're going to see more money squeezed out of someone, they could've just focused on protecting the machines or programs that are running these schemes instead of doing a scorched earth policy of banning them for such a minor offense.

When it comes to this manner then im not really that someone who do mind much about multi-accounting yet the sites or platforms that i've been dealing with
arent that too strict when it comes to multi account or VPN and it would really be just that a common approach that casinos would really be that  just strict
when it comes to multi account specially if its been used on having those kind of possible abuse. If ever there would really be some second long in
then i dont believe much that they would immediately having those bans or block due to the said condition. When it comes to VPN then it would really be that
just that depending into their terms and conditions and its up to them whether they would really be that too strict into this one or not.

Most of the casino will allow us to use VPN, but usually they will not mention it on their terms nor provide a clear answer when we asks about it to their support.
Also we must be ready for the KYC anytime because our account will be marked as a multi account if other people ever used the same IP/VPN on that casino.
Even using a premium VPN will not guarantee that the IP is clean, there is still a chance that anyone ever used the IP to register on that casino.
But, the premium VPN is always the best choice if we really cannot use the original IP due to some reasons.

Regarding the case you mentioned above: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63746846
Any casino will not allow their user to have more than 1 account, but confiscated all of the funds while the other account is an empty account (never depo, play and wd) is a bit too harsh.
Some casinos will review its case by case, not just confiscated the funds and closed the account like that.
However, we havent heard the story from the casino side yet. Its too early to judge who is wrong or right.

Is this also happening to a casinos with KYC? I’m wondering the purpose of KYC if they will still think that you have multiple accounts. If you are going to use VPN make sure you don’t spend much money on that because its prohibited in many casinos and if they caught you they can easily freeze your account which is for me, more risky. Better to have your own personal internet connection or just use your data for your gambling activities, by doing this at least you lessen the risk of being tagged as multi account.

I agree with your statement.

When money is involved in a certain act, you must be extremely careful with everything that you do. You must also secure that what you are doing is genuinely acceptable within the terms prescribed on the gambling's TOS. Even if a VPN can be argued as "safe", there is nothing that can guarantee this given that casinos have the authority to withhold your funds if they feel like you have violated any of their terms even if it is somehow vague and prejudicial against you.

On the cases that OP provided, I have a feeling that the person who got banned from using two (2) accounts on the same IP address has a strong case against Stake. I feel like they have been automatically flagged, thereby having an automated banned from their account.

Well, you can do this way to have a dedicated IP address through IP to access the casino but we always make mistakes. Like sometime you may connect the site while VPN is connected ?

I think casinos ware intelligent to determine if you are using one account or multiple accounts. Even if your friends come to your home and connect your WIFI to connect to the casino, but they must be using their own devices (mobiles) to connect to the casino site. The sites are intelligent enough to determine your devices too and browsers etc and they won't link the two accounts. Yes, in case of your brothers or sisters having accounts on the same gambling site, this may cause problems and you need to carefully select the VPN with dedicated IP address in order to be safe. Or maybe someone may have other solutions too 

Using your home Wi-Fi for these gatherings can be a gamble in itself. Sharing your network with everyone is like leaving your chips unguarded – anyone can walk away with your info!

VPNs seem like the ultimate solution, right? They're like secret tunnels to access any gambling site, no matter where you are. But here's the catch: free VPNs are like those shady backroom casinos – unreliable and full of limitations. Premium ones offer more options, but they cost extra, and some online gambling dens frown upon them altogether.

The bottom line is, there's no magic bullet. You gotta weigh the risks and play it safe. Secure connections are key, but remember, some casinos have their own rules about how you connect. Break them, and you might be out of the game for good.

The essence of people using is to prevent identification of locations, so we have to understand that vpn is the kind of location charger because  i see that it's why many people do use a vpn so that nobody will identify their own root, as I said before that what is really necessary is because you have hide your environment so that people or particular websites will not understand your area, another thing in question is that anyone who uses a vpn in casino gambling websites have a multiple account and that is why it uses vpn so the team of that site will not know that it has a different account with them, or their country is restricted using that site and only way it can use the site is through vpn.

Is there a reason you wouldn't rather buy another mobile phone subscription that comes with the internet and you get new ip with that? Even vpn services probably rotate those dedicated IPs when subscription is done, and you might get one that was previously used for that casino. It's a small change but try to explain that, if there's a strict no-VPN rule. I wouldn't take any changes. AT least in here, another internet subscription that comes with new ip, is almost cheap if not cheaper then any premium VPN.

I avoid using wifi, but i admit it's a problem. It might even connect automatically and you don't even realize you are using it instead of your own ip from phone for example.

 

I have never heard of this happening. Do you have an example of when a casino did that?

Okay. I read these sentences and I am confused too.

As far as I know, casinos are clear on VPNs being used to bypass geographic restrictions I don't know if it still applies in your case.

SirJohnVonSlotty who is an expert here should help clarify this.

Before you used VPN, you should ask the casino about using VPN in their casino because some casinos will not allow and will not tolerate if their members using VPN. If casino allow, you can used VPN to playing gambling. If you used VPN Premium, I guess that will be no problem as long as your country listed on that VPN so you can use it to connected to the casino to avoid the same connection with the other people who uses the same casino. But you needs to make sure that it's not break the rules of the casino itself.

When casino rules prohibit people from manipulating geographic location using VPN, they are being clear that it doesn't matter if the person lives in a country that is on the list of countries allowed by the casino and that person is using an IP from another country that is also is on the list of allowed countries, the fact is that in the document that the person handed in at the casino it says that the person lives in country x and on street z, when the person uses an IP from country y, then that person is already breaking the main part of the tos that says all customers must provide truthful information, the person must provide truthful information must not hide or manipulate any information

Therefore, if the casino catches you using an IP from a country that is not the same country that is registered with the casino, then the casino has the right to ask you to provide a document proving the address of the country in which you are using the IP and in that This is when the person puts themselves in a very difficult position because as they were using a German VPN while living in France, for example, they will not be able to provide proof of Germany address, and the casino has the right to block the person's account with the funds. That's why I always advise people not to use VPN in casinos

There are some sites that are so advanced that even if my friend registers at the same casino using the same IP at my house, he will definitely fail and will find an error that the IP is already in use, so it happens that the IP on my home internet is the only one I use, after all not It's also good if the internet IP at our house is used by many other gambling friends, it's best for them to use their own internet with their own IP so that it doesn't create a mess with our account in the end.

I never use a VPN if it's not necessary, usually I use it if I'm really far from home and I have to withdraw money or just play for a while for fun, I don't use a premium VPN, I usually use a free VPN, even though I know it's not safe but I only use it in small casinos where I only put less money there so I use that, except for the main gambling site that I play on, I never use VPN, only play at home using the internet at home, never go outside, let alone give my gambling friends a chance to play. together at home. Looking at the cases above, we often come across them, so it's not strange to see similar cases. Back again to each other's views on using premium VPN.   

Casinos has sophisticated tools in their interface to trace all their users, I'm not a casino operator but if other platform can trace your coordinates or exact locations much more on casino platforms, casinos are fully aware of manipulation, cheats and hacks trying to commit by players so they have all the tools to trace this because if they do not have this so many casinos will lose through exploit.

The decision to use VPN at your own decision is risky, you have to first ask the casino to check their terms and weigh in between the risk of using and not using, this is where the advice of only play in a reputable casino comes in, if you're playing in a reputable casino any issues that may arise from multi accounting the reputable casino they can properly address it and they are willing to undergo arbitration we have seen casinos willing to undergo third party arbitration through Askgambler or CasinoGuru to prove their point, because they have reputation to protect, scam casinos will not go arbitration.

That would be a last resort solution,kinda like Gateway of Last Resort in Networking devices and should only be used when you have absolutely no other choice.I think that the casinos have quite a lot of scripts in place that monitor your gambling behavior,operating system,browser and system specifics like Ram,GPU and processor,chances are really slim that someone with the same range of IP-s when using dynamic IP-s to have the same characteristics of your PC,laptop,tablet or any other device you may be using to access your favorite casino.So I am totally against VPN usage as long as reputable casinos have these scripts in place.

The problem is, they don't allow VPN and I think it will not be the solution to that problem.

Well, there's the use of data. Tell them to use their own mobile data or hotspot it to their own laptops if they want but do not connect to your own WIFI if they will gamble.
I only have one account on Stake.com because I know it could be a problem later on if ever I create another account just for gambling purposes. I don't use VPN too so I cannot comment about that.
But since it's written in terms of the service of Stake.com, let's try our best to abide by it. Let us not give trouble to ourselves and check out who the people connecting that are using the same gambling site. Even if we put this in case, we cannot win. First of all, it was already written and before we played we accepted those terms.
Those two guys you linked here will probably not win it if ever there comes a time this will go the court. So OP, I would not recommend any VPN usage.

For security reasons, if you are hanging out with friends and gambling using a cellphone, it's a good idea to use a cellphone signal and not use WiFi so that you and your friends don't have the same IP.

Using a VPN is also not a good solution because some casinos are not VPN friendly. But I always use VPN when gambling because my country blocks access to many gambling sites so I have to use VPN. So it is better if you do not use a VPN if your country does not block access to gambling sites

If you did nothing with your 2nd account, I think the casino will not mind about it. No violation like the 2 accounts exploited some bonuses, there is nothing to worry about.

But using VPN may instead result in something else as these casinos can change policies about using VPNs. It may only be the reason why your account gets blocked. However, if you did something and you are yet not blocked, the casino hasn't looked into your account yet until probably you win a jackpot which they will discover something.

Casino doesn't consider an user as abuser with multiple accounts if some people use the same public ISP to place bets. They take serious steps after doing a deeper investigation, the anti-fraud system isn't that simple. Casino also observe the betting pattern, device fingerprinting, wallet address connections, etc. Most of the casino doesn’t consider the usage of VPN normally, no matter whether it is premium or shared VPN.

The anti-fraud system of a casino will keep you and your friend account to the suspicious list if both of you have same betting pattern always. It looks like the same thing has happened in those two cases which you have pointed in the main post. They were using the same ISP, which has added another piece of evidence of account connection.

I wouldn't do that; some gambling sites are also strict with using VPN as that would not reveal our correct location. With the advent of KYC nowadays, the implementation is already strict, and they want us to provide our real location while we are gambling. Using a VPN may only put our account in trouble, or scammer gambling sites may use it against us and claim that we have violated the Terms of Service.

If the problem is only because you might have a friend gambling on the same casino or gambling site that might use your IP, then you should restrict your IP for your own usage only. You can avail a static IP from your ISP and make it strictly for your personal transactions, particularly in gambling.

It's a case-to-case basis you may protect yourself from multiple accounts but you could also be violating the casinos' rules of not using a VPN unless you contact their support first or they stipulate on their terms that they don't allow the use of VPN, allegations of multi-accounting has been one of the top reason why casinos reject a user's withdrawal especially if it involves a huge amount, a reputable casino will allow themselves to go to arbitration to defend their decision, so if you think that a user is an innocence then both parties should undergo an arbitration proceeding.
If the casino cannot defend its allegation it will deny that request but if it's a reputable casino they are more willing to back up its allegation.

So to prevent this be sure you do not share your wifi with someone who could be playing in a casino without you knowing it, some players are not aware that they have someone in their household who's playing the same casino as yours.

There's a risk of getting flagged for having multiple accounts sharing the same IP address. However, I think that risk may be higher if you have significant winnings. I don't know exactly how their mechanisms work, but it's likely not an automatic process, and they would conduct an investigation. Nevertheless, taking preventive measures is advisable. If you see it as a risk, finding an alternative solution like not letting your friends use your network or subscribing to a VPN, as you mentioned, is a good idea.

Based on my experience, I used to gamble regularly in our office, and my office mates did the same. I never experienced any problems with multiple accounts issues, probably because at that time, the rules were not strictly enforced yet. This was about 5 years ago.

Some people who are very active in using the internet prefer to subscribe to Wi-Fi because the network quality is better, but for gambler this will be quite worrying, especially in house that is often used for gathering and gambling together.
IP addresses as whole can be connected and of course this raises suspicions about the use of multiple accounts on one IP address to commit some fraud, clearly this is problem that can be complicated.
But usually gambler who has Wi-Fi and uses his house for gatherings will not share Wi-Fi with his friends because this is an effort to secure his personal account.

On the other hand, there are also gamblers who use VPN to access gambling sites but on average use regular VPN because they are more cost-effective.
When using premium VPN, there will indeed be many IP from various countries that can be used and of course there are many advantages you can get, but there are additional costs for subscribing and premium VPNs are not yet known by many people.

Both have the same goal, namely being able to access any gambling site more easily because there are still many countries that restrict access to several prohibited sites such as gambling, especially for countries that have a ban on gambling.
However, we still have to prioritize the casino regulations because not all casinos will give permission or allow their customers to access using VPN, we must be able to comply with these conditions for our own comfort.

I've been using premium VPN for years for my online gambling activity, so far no issues for me fortunately.
My main purpose of using VPN is to hide my real IP obviously and to bypass provider's restriction (not general restriction by the casinos).
Coming to the main idea which is about multiple accounts, basically I do not really like where casino has a term 1 user per IP because or multiple accounts against the term because I think multiple accounts is fine as long as it is not being used to abuse the provided promotions.
One of the example you give here happens in Stake, fun fact is that users were allowed to have secondary account in the past but they changed the rules few years back.

I'm not really know about premium VPN, do they give a feature to connect into a specific area? let's say a free VPN won't give you a choice to pick which country, they will select it random. When you have subscribe them, you can choose any country you wants, do they also give the specific area of a city you want to connect?

Using VPN seems to be risky, especially you've publicize if you will use VPN in this forum, so they will know it lol.

            -   Is that cryberghost legit? Isn't there also a monthly subscription that ends if anyone wants to use a VPN? Now, let's go back to the gambling issue. There is a point in what you are saying that when you have another partner at home who also gambles online, and that is one of them, and that is the same casino platform that you are playing on, it will actually appear in the casino that violations like multiple accounts or dummy accounts are usually illegal.

I think that if it's okay in a casino for you to use a VPN because the casino is in your country, that can be an excuse. Right? because it seems unfair to the depositor who uses a VPN. If he deposits money in a casino, then suddenly the casino will block your account because you used a VPN. They should also block the deposit of money from gamblers in the country where the casino is owned to make the fight fair, right? Why would you block the gamblers if they saw that they used VPNs from the beginning but accepted the money to gamble? Do I have a point?

I know that it's a premium service with VPNs, I remember when I purchased a new subscription and it had that kind of option but I didn't opt-in because it's quite expensive and I didn't think it would be too useful for me. I'm not sure about how I would use it as well. Maybe just security? Like your purpose with playing in casinos.

It would be ideal to use that if you are always playing in the casino.

It seems a bit complicated, but in general services do not encourage individuals to use multiple accounts on the device. And the way you mentioned is also a solution for better use, but I know that as long as the account/device is fine, you can freely use it without any trouble (not for those who use multiple accounts > 5 accounts)

I can completely confidently use 4 accounts on different devices and connect to the same network. Using VPN is probably for really professional people with large numbers like 100, 1000, ... and it is also possible that they do not want to make their identity public and hide it through VPN, but in cases where they do not want to reveal information, they will often apply other, more professional methods.

VPN is not prohibited if you will not use it to bypass your country restriction. Also premium VPN support same country IP which means it’s like using regular IP because your IP record will be on same country.

You will only have problem when using VPN if you use different country or you are from country that prohibited by the casino.

Maybe, On some casino VPN is totally prohibited but I didn’t encounter them so far but I’m not removing this possibility so make sure to read always the ToS and ask the support.


For example this:


@SirJohnVonSlotty can you help us to clarify this. So far I’m still confused on the general stand of the casino in regards of using VPN. What if VPN use this way, Same country IP just to protect for possible unintentional multiple account violation?

The casino do more investigation before concluding that someone is having two accounts. If the casino is reputed and if the person did not cheated, like using two or more accounts for first time deposit bonus, if there is nothing like that, the casino will likely just merge the two account together if truly the two accounts belong to the same person.

Read the casino ToS. Some casino do not allow the use of VPN. I do not use the network that I am using with other gamblers and I have no problem. If I will use WiFi, it will not be for long and no problem about that.

Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation.

Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi.

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

This is the 2 cases that I mention above:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5487268
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63746846