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legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
February 12, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
#31
Shorting only makes sense if you do leverage, which at the same time leverage never makes sense because you can get on debt if things go against you.

Basically never short. Buy and hold. You require too much luck to win shorting. I dont believe in predicting the market, let alone small market noise.

I have a small 6 btc stash I trade futures with on okcoin @ 20:1 which I use for day trading.  I have my long position on Bitfinex.  I do agree you can get yourself into deep shit if your on the wrong side, but in this market currently it's to easy to make trades and gain a profit.  I take profits out and funnel them back into Bitfinex.  If you watch the market closely it's very easy to make gains.  I think the main issue with leverage (I used to do this) is holding on to long and not taking profit.  Before entering a position you need to establish when your going to get out and when the time comes you need to follow through with your exit.  In some cases it's better to hold longer (coinbase pump is a good example).  Also never go all into a position, I usually build my positions slowly constantly averaging out.

You seem to know what you are doing. Using a stop loss feature also helps as you can set the price you are comfortable with without having to watch the bitcoin price every minute. Are you interested in giving Coinarch a try? I can give you free brokerage for 7 days so you get a feel for the system. Email me at [email protected] if you are keen.

Thank you for be offer,  but currently I will have to decline.  In the future if Coinarch comes out with an iOS app I will give it a shot.  The main reason why I use Okcoin is because of the iOS app.  I hate the web interface and I am always on the go so it makes things convenient for me.

Careful with stop losses though. You don't want your stop loss to trigger just before the market starts to go in your favorable direction.
Basically if you know what you are doing you don't need stop losses since you only margin trade when you are sure about what's going to happen next.

I never know how high or how low it will go but the direction it is going I know 95% of the time. Also always take profits when you start to feel like a god. This is likely the moment before things get worse. Tongue

I don't use stop losses and I found them to cause more losses than gains.  If I think there might be a huge market correction against me, I just will wait it out or trade very very small positions.

As stated previously I think the main issue with leverage is people's greed.  If you get to greedy you could wipe your gains in a heartbeat.  Always have an out planned before you enter, or take profit at a certain % gain
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 503
Legendary trader
February 12, 2015, 07:27:47 AM
#30
Careful with stop losses though. You don't want your stop loss to trigger just before the market starts to go in your favorable direction.
Basically if you know what you are doing you don't need stop losses since you only margin trade when you are sure about what's going to happen next.

I never know how high or how low it will go but the direction it is going I know 95% of the time. Also always take profits when you start to feel like a god. This is likely the moment before things get worse. Tongue
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
February 12, 2015, 12:31:15 AM
#29
Shorting only makes sense if you do leverage, which at the same time leverage never makes sense because you can get on debt if things go against you.

Basically never short. Buy and hold. You require too much luck to win shorting. I dont believe in predicting the market, let alone small market noise.

I have a small 6 btc stash I trade futures with on okcoin @ 20:1 which I use for day trading.  I have my long position on Bitfinex.  I do agree you can get yourself into deep shit if your on the wrong side, but in this market currently it's to easy to make trades and gain a profit.  I take profits out and funnel them back into Bitfinex.  If you watch the market closely it's very easy to make gains.  I think the main issue with leverage (I used to do this) is holding on to long and not taking profit.  Before entering a position you need to establish when your going to get out and when the time comes you need to follow through with your exit.  In some cases it's better to hold longer (coinbase pump is a good example).  Also never go all into a position, I usually build my positions slowly constantly averaging out.

You seem to know what you are doing. Using a stop loss feature also helps as you can set the price you are comfortable with without having to watch the bitcoin price every minute. Are you interested in giving Coinarch a try? I can give you free brokerage for 7 days so you get a feel for the system. Email me at [email protected] if you are keen.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
February 11, 2015, 10:04:48 AM
#28
Shorting only makes sense if you do leverage, which at the same time leverage never makes sense because you can get on debt if things go against you.

Basically never short. Buy and hold. You require too much luck to win shorting. I dont believe in predicting the market, let alone small market noise.

I have a small 6 btc stash I trade futures with on okcoin @ 20:1 which I use for day trading.  I have my long position on Bitfinex.  I do agree you can get yourself into deep shit if your on the wrong side, but in this market currently it's to easy to make trades and gain a profit.  I take profits out and funnel them back into Bitfinex.  If you watch the market closely it's very easy to make gains.  I think the main issue with leverage (I used to do this) is holding on to long and not taking profit.  Before entering a position you need to establish when your going to get out and when the time comes you need to follow through with your exit.  In some cases it's better to hold longer (coinbase pump is a good example).  Also never go all into a position, I usually build my positions slowly constantly averaging out.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 503
February 11, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
#27
Shorting only makes sense if you do leverage, which at the same time leverage never makes sense because you can get on debt if things go against you.

Basically never short. Buy and hold. You require too much luck to win shorting. I dont believe in predicting the market, let alone small market noise.
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
February 11, 2015, 01:25:48 AM
#26
I'd say the best market move to make at the moment is to short w/ some heavy leverage since so many people are thinking in this subforum that the 100s of any flavor are a possibility. Smart money is smart amirite?

20x on OKCoin ought to do it, and don't pussy foot around trying to scalp on a 1$ movement.  COMMIT.

How does leverage work? For Bitfinex is like 3:3:1 or something like that, but I never did trade on margin, always using funds I had. Is it worth it, and what are its benefits/risks?

Coinarch offer up to 10 times leverage. You can invest from US$10. If you think the price will increase you invest in a Long Booster, if you think the price will decrease you invest in a Short Booster. If you guess correctly you profit and if you guess incorrectly you lose your initial investment.

Fore example, Our trader of the week invested a small $15 in a long booster with 8x leverage on the 1st of Feb when the bitcoin price was 214. He closed his position 2 days later when the bitcoin price had increased to 237 and made 81% profit. Had he invested the maximum of $1,250, he would have made $1012. The same principle applies to going short. Had he gone short, he would have lost $15 only.

Hope this makes sense.
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
February 11, 2015, 01:16:44 AM
#25
You shouldn't short near the bottom. You had the opportunities to short at $700, or $500, or $400, etc. You get the idea.

What makes you say this is the bottom? I expect BTC myself to go to mid $100's but hey who knows...

I agree, I think it will go down further before it increases.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
February 10, 2015, 12:59:57 PM
#24
I'd say the best market move to make at the moment is to short w/ some heavy leverage since so many people are thinking in this subforum that the 100s of any flavor are a possibility. Smart money is smart amirite?

20x on OKCoin ought to do it, and don't pussy foot around trying to scalp on a 1$ movement.  COMMIT.

How does leverage work? For Bitfinex is like 3:3:1 or something like that, but I never did trade on margin, always using funds I had. Is it worth it, and what are its benefits/risks?
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
February 10, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
#23
Taking a short position now isnt the smartest decision.

you said the same shit when it was at 600$



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yes, it's always time to short

i just dumped my LTC in grace ... i'll buy back for 50 cents (maybe, if  i'm still interested later)

Show me where I said that
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
February 10, 2015, 08:09:22 AM
#22
Seems like things have stabilized.  I have thought for a while price would be dropping, but now especially with the recent coinbase investments and exchange, I think things are looking up.
Q7
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
February 10, 2015, 08:09:18 AM
#21
There are times that even the charts and indicators are wrong. I just keep my options open. If it goes lower, then I'll buy more. If it goes up, then probably there's nothing much I can do anyway. Just hope for the best.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
Honest 80s business!
February 10, 2015, 08:00:49 AM
#20
Everyone keeps saying this is a definite bear market and the price can't do anything but continue to go down for the foreseeable future. But why hasn't it already then? There is an uncanny resilience in the market these days. I do expect another crash, but I think this may be the last one. The market isn't bled out or run dry at the moment, it's merely waiting for things to happen.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Moderator
February 10, 2015, 04:36:23 AM
#19


DON´T.  Smiley

Probably i do. Always need ammo to dump on the retards pumps  Wink




Tell me you did shirt at 152 ? And regret it now ? Bottom is never a good time to short.

i did 'shirt' on 290$ and haven't bought back since and you are butthurt cuz you haven 'shirted'


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Project all your asspain on me you broken bulltards, i enjoy it. lol

 Cheesy
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 11
February 10, 2015, 04:09:10 AM
#18


DON´T.  Smiley

Probably i do. Always need ammo to dump on the retards pumps  Wink




Tell me you did shirt at 152 ? And regret it now ? Bottom is never a good time to short.

i did 'shirt' on 290$ and haven't bought back since and you are butthurt cuz you haven 'shirted'


--------

Project all your asspain on me you broken bulltards, i enjoy it. lol
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
February 10, 2015, 04:01:44 AM
#17
Taking a short position now isnt the smartest decision.

you said the same shit when it was at 600$



----


yes, it's always time to short

i just dumped my LTC in grace ... i'll buy back for 50 cents (maybe, if  i'm still interested later)

Tell me you did shirt at 152 ? And regret it now ? Bottom is never a good time to short.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Moderator
February 10, 2015, 03:40:13 AM
#16
Taking a short position now isnt the smartest decision.

you said the same shit when it was at 600$



----


yes, it's always time to short

i just dumped my LTC in grace ... i'll buy back for 50 cents (maybe, if  i'm still interested later)

DON´T.  Smiley
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 11
February 10, 2015, 03:27:31 AM
#15
Taking a short position now isnt the smartest decision.

you said the same shit when it was at 600$



----


yes, it's always time to short

i just dumped my LTC in grace ... i'll buy back for 50 cents (maybe, if  i'm still interested later)
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 11
February 10, 2015, 03:26:15 AM
#14
tell me how an inflationary currency is an alternative to an inflationary currency

Tell me how half of America thinks homosexuality is a sin, yet sees no problem with gluttony.

 Huh

R U OK , BRO?

legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
February 10, 2015, 03:20:11 AM
#13
tell me how an inflationary currency is an alternative to an inflationary currency

Tell me how half of America thinks homosexuality is a sin, yet sees no problem with gluttony.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 11
February 10, 2015, 03:18:27 AM
#12
tell me how an inflationary currency is an alternative to an inflationary currency
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