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newbie
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I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.
3. No interest is paid on the money that was lost.

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered.  Roll Eyes
So to reiterate the scale of this issue...

1. 850,000 Bitcoins were lost when the exchange went down

2. 140, 000 Bitcoins were recovered when it was seized by the authorities

3. The addresses are very old holding these Bitcoins. So airdrops are also in these addresses. BCH, BSV, Bitcoin gold etc....

4. The payout is ONLY BTC and BCH at this time. I believe some say 15-20 percent of last stash held on the exchange.

5. Further coins recovered will go to the creditors.

6. Bitcoin was sold to cover creditors and other expenses.

7. Fortress is a majority stakeholder holding a majority of these accounts

8 Bitcoin price was well under 100 dollars at the time of the exchange having problems
full member
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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.
Quite scary for Bitcoin holders. It could potentially drop its price and could reach 55K+ once again in just an instant and these guys who lost their BTCs are now potentially millionaires. What a fortune though. It just like they hold it for long then got released with a xxxxx return. Just wow.
hero member
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Mt Gox is indeed one of the biggest cases in the crypto market, but if this news is true then it is only natural for a correction to occur.  The compensation value for this case is very large, and the impact will be a significant correction.  I feel that this condition will not last long, because it is only temporary, a sell-off is possible but there are still many people waiting for BTC at a low price in order to take profit at a high price.  Currently BTC is quite stable at 60k and I'm sure this will pass soon.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.

The rehabilitation plan expenses were 5,8 million including fees back in 2019 and costing around 1,2 million a year since then. Even if we round this up to 10 million it's still 0.1% of the 9 billion worth of coins that will be reimbursed. I doubt anyone could call 0.1% "majority".

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered.  Roll Eyes

1/4 of the coins and 30x times the value in USD compared to the hack.
Is it really "small"?
legendary
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I am curious ....

How much of those bitcoins will be paid to the lawyers and trustees and accountants that worked on this case for years? The thing that usually happens in group lawsuits like this is the following :

1. The expenses are deducted and the victims get a small percentage of their losses.
2. The people (lawyers) get the majority of the money and the victims get almost nothing.
3. No interest is paid on the money that was lost.

We know only a small amount of the actual coins lost, was recovered... so the victims can only get a small percentage of everything that was recovered.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Only 5 days are left and we will see what will be the impact on the bitcoin market. However, this is not fair that those people are given the same amount of bitcoins because the value of bitcoin at that time was very less. If the  Mt Gox was not hacked, those people would have spent those bitcoin long before. They are indeed lucky if they get the same amount of bitcoin which will change their fortune.
But the market and much of peoples got very unlucky when the MtGox got hacked,
 the price was at stable level around 1k$, times before the hack, and the hack provocated his falling to ~200, 300 after times ..
hero member
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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

Only 5 days are left and we will see what will be the impact on the bitcoin market. However, this is not fair that those people are given the same amount of bitcoins because the value of bitcoin at that time was very less. If the  Mt Gox was not hacked, those people would have spent those bitcoin long before. They are indeed lucky if they get the same amount of bitcoin which will change their fortune.
newbie
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  Following the reasoning where MtGox's fiat accounts were not compromised the time of the hack, since they are bank accounts

 there is chances that the creditors holding balances in "fiat money" get served first, before other creditors ?
Bitcoin was sold sometime back to cover smaller creditors and what smaller balance they had. The majority of individuals have requested BTC and BCH concerning their claims from my understanding.
legendary
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  Following the reasoning where MtGox's fiat accounts were not compromised the time of the hack, since they are bank accounts

 there is chances that the creditors holding balances in "fiat money" get served first, before other creditors ?
hero member
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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.
I would assume that they probably won't get even that much, not for a while longer at least. I get that people are hopeful about upcoming possibilities, but I really doubt that it could happen, it looks like we are going to just have to foot the bill and be fine about it as well. I get that some people may not like to hear that, but that is the truth and I have to say we need to learn to live with the truth instead of trying to convince ourselves the otherwise.

Yes, there is a "slight" chance that we could maybe get something small from them, which would be lovely but it will probably not even be 25% but more like 10% at the very best case (I think 5% is more likely). That is still something, but it is tiny enough to not bother crypto markets.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market

Yeah, it is enough but only if you put it as a whole.
And poeple are different, poeple don't do the same things at the same time as they are not ants, just the fact that the plan was voted by 83% of the claimers is proof enough.

Most likely the funds will not be released in one single batch for everyone at the same time, highly possible not everyone will sell ALL their coins, also not everyone will rush to sell in the first second, after getting your coins trapped for 8 years it's again safe to assume not everyone will send all their coins in one batch to an exchange and again in smaller batches, and also a lot won't use exchange at all and deal with it OTC.
Also, poeple will have the option of receiving directly fiat which will mean the trustee will sell some coins and pay in JPY, again this will not be done on liv exchange.

The chances of everyone moving all their coins and rushing in day one to dump it on the market are close to zero in my opinion.

legendary
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I was told by a source that Mt Gox funds will be released on ~20 November, 2021 on the order of honorable court where the hearing was made. If it's a fact, will 150k btc worth $10 billion enter the market? And should we prepare for a big dump after this happens? The intention behind posting this isn't about spreading chaos but awareness about what may happen if Mt Gox funds will be released. This is a happy news for me, but scary too.

It's a very interesting development considering how long it has taken for them to recover it since the crime took place. However this in the grand scheme of things this works out to less than 1% of the total market cap of Bitcoin at the moment so I doubt it is going to have much of an effect at all. It might dip the market for a few days but I think there are enough financial institutions out there clamoring to buy up any excess slack that it will quickly recover to the previous price. It's more likely to cause a pausing effect rather than any decline in value, but 10 billion is a rather small amount these days and will be absorbed in no time - if the owners even decide to sell that is.
legendary
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Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market (I'm not taking these vitcims alone under consideration but even if their summed up value crosses $1 billion at the time of selling it and the news that breaks the confidence of investors, compels them to sell under the impact of panic sell, btc will dump). This is a good news for the victims that they are getting their part even if not complete payback for their stolen btc, but we will also see how the market reacts to this news.
Because he said those people will sell their Bitcoin at the same moment, that's why it's unlikely to happen. Yup $1 billion is large sum and they would sell some portion of their Bitcoins to enjoy the benefit, but it's only some portion since they're learn holding Bitcoin can make them rich. They will hold it until the price crossed $100K and so on.

Now Bitcoin 24 hour trading volume is $29,825,276,469 ($29 billion) it will make Bitcoin price drop around $2K, the problem is those article provide bad news and people do panic sell.
legendary
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Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Why won't that happen? After a very long wait, these victims are seeing a light of hope and even if they get 25% of 150k btc which comes to 37500 btc, they will get $2.5 billion worth of btc which is enough to shake the whole market (I'm not taking these vitcims alone under consideration but even if their summed up value crosses $1 billion at the time of selling it and the news that breaks the confidence of investors, compels them to sell under the impact of panic sell, btc will dump). This is a good news for the victims that they are getting their part even if not complete payback for their stolen btc, but we will also see how the market reacts to this news.
newbie
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The story is true concerning Mtgox.

9 days and counting.



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Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess. FUD is very common
which there would be those insights on mass selling which will really be dumping out the market but to make out calculation
on where 25% of 150k is 37k+ which is current on 2+ billion. Could really make out some effects?
Initial I believe is 2k yen....followed by a named exchange to hold BTC AND BCH. From what I have heard, some hold very large amounts of BTC that can easily surpass. 1500+. Biggest holder is Fortress who can easily tank the market.
legendary
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There is no possible way that there is anything good that could come out of this. I get that some people keep getting hopeful about it, but we are moving to a period where people who have never heard of mt.gox or came in way after hack happened came into the crypto and could be considered majority right now.

Mt.gox deal happened back in 2013-2014 or so right ? I mean it happened during 2013 and we knew it, but the official statement came in 2014. If you look at the crypto world right now, I am sure that 50%+ of the people here came in after 2014 for sure, which means that we are not really doing that badly on mtgox issue, most people do not even care about it anymore.

This is why I care that there is a chance we won't even talk about it in few years, more and more people who lost their money there give up, and more new people join in making the people who lost money there a minority. I am hopeful about it because bad news always hurts crypto and mtgox was the biggest bad news ever, hopefully we won't have anything similar ever again in crypto history.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
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Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess.

From where would that come?
They've managed to get back 150kBTC out of the total sum that was lost, who would cover the rest, and from where?

FUD is very common

No sorry, the usage of FUD is very common and in most cases by poeple who have no clue what it means.
I'm tired of everyone screaming FUD whenever something they don't like is happening.

Could really make out some effects?

Depends, is everyone going to get their coins and send them to an exchange and sell them at the same moment? Then yeah!
Is this going to happen? Most likely no!

Go the Binance, look at the market depth and see what a 1500 BTC dump would do, it would bring the price under 60k, of course briefly but that will be the effect.
The fact that the global volume is in trillions doesn't mean it could absorb even a 50 million dump if it's done as a whole.
Will it happen? Again, most likely no!

hero member
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As for the value if others are correct about the numbers you will get ~25% of the BTC you had then, so for one BTC you get .25, it's still a lot, around 30x times the value in $ at the moment of the bankruptcy. A new form of ultimate hold.


Im not saying that it is just right on giving back 25% of the total amount but they've been thinking on how this could affect or they do totally
dont tend to give it all out? Its better than nothing specially to those people who had included into this mess. FUD is very common
which there would be those insights on mass selling which will really be dumping out the market but to make out calculation
on where 25% of 150k is 37k+ which is current on 2+ billion. Could really make out some effects?
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
Unless the bitcoin that was stolen got retrieved, then no 150k BTC wont enter the markets. As far as I know(correct me if I'm wrong) MtGox will just give compensation to the victims, with bitcoin that are worth nowhere close to what the stolen bitcoin are worth today.

They do have those 150k BTC in custody.
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20191001_report.pdf

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The amount of BTC held by the Rehabilitation Debtor as of September 30, 2019 is 141,686. 35446516BTC. The Rehabilitation Trustee has been still investigating the existence of additional BTC held by the Rehabilitation Debtor. If any BTC is found, the Rehabilitation Trustee will move them to the address managed. Further, the amount of BCH held by the Rehabilitation Debtor as of September 30, 2019 is 142,846.35166254 BCH.

And according to the last report by the trustee, the voting was over and finally, they can move with the plan
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20211020_announcement_en.pdf

As for the value if others are correct about the numbers you will get ~25% of the BTC you had then, so for one BTC you get .25, it's still a lot, around 30x times the value in $ at the moment of the bankruptcy. A new form of ultimate hold.

hero member
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The amount of BTC stated will not all enter the market, there's maybe a dump because of the FUD but it will only be a temporary dump as there are a lot of investors who still think the current price is cheap so buying wouldn't be a problem.

This is probably the news you are referring to.

Mt. Gox Creditors to Get Billions in Bitcoin After Plan Approved
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