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Quote from: premier97 on July 14, 2024, 12:44:59 PM

Labour for me is human productive effort towards achieving set target.To answer the question, labour may be wealth, in the sense that when others labour while you fold your harms and watch from where will the wealth come from? Wealth creation cannot be separated from human effort both mental and physical.

Yes off course labour can be wealthy, and be wealthy because I can even say that even those that We’re seeing wealthy already a lot of them are generated through the labour. Honestly the labour work with their own harms to generate the wealth and the even the reason why some people are complain now that they didn’t wealthy, imagine we’re expected to become wealthy and you don’t want to make the uses of your body how can you reach the target.

The little amount of money we make today it will be the one make us becoming something tomorrow, some don’t understand that the only thing they want may they just turn to a wealthy person with in a few days an everything in this life is a gradually process.

It is true that anyone can become rich when they have done hard work but only some people are able to do hard work and also they are not easy to give up with all the unpleasant things faced in working but there are some people who like to complain about the work they do of course it will be difficult for them to be able to become rich with the work they do.

Surviving with a small income in a job is indeed not an easy thing, but when they really believe that what they are doing will be able to get good results, of course one day they will be able to achieve success from the work they do, yes, there are some people who will not be able to survive with a small income for various reasons, so if they can be patient with every process they have to go through, of course they will also be able to get a lot of results from the work they do.

By labour , one cannot get success in life because smart work is important to get success. Mostly people can't get success in life by only labour because today is modern time and smart work is important and mostly persons which are earning money,they are earning due to hard work. Poor people work on wrong side but rich people knows where to work . And one should also focus on relationships because relationships are also important for life and they are true wealth.
Relationships give happiness to the people and that is true wealth. If a person do hard work and he is basically from golf countries,he will be rich in his country even he is security guard in the European country.

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Quote from: dezoel on July 22, 2024, 10:12:31 AM

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Labor is a single type of resource, not wealth, as wealth is the situation where you have abundant resources. You're not yet wealthy if you have only labor (yourself, your energy). There are many types of labor, such as skilled and unskilled, etc., so it will differ in value as a resource.

It also matters where you are working and what you are working on. For example, a labourer or a mason works hard to build a house, but that house is not his own, he builds it for others, and he is given a small amount of his labour, even though he has done the work very hard, but the hard work he did it for someone else and took a small wage himself.

Similarly, a person who is in a big post in a big company, but is not the owner of that company, is giving all his hard work and time to that company and the benefit is getting more to the owner and only he is getting a salary every month. These people can never become rich, no matter how hard they work, whose ideology is to earn two breads a day. So, you must be hardworking as well as wise and willing to move on and show that by doing something.

I think he was explaining the definition of labor, not the energy that is in the worker, or what he does to work hard to earn his own wages.

I agree that labor is not wealth, but resources that exist in humans, which have stages in choosing labor, as said that there are skilled and unskilled.
But if you look broadly again when an area has a lot of labor resources that have competence or are skilled in their fields, then it can be said that it is a wealth that can be utilized to build the area much better.

but if you see that your explanation of labor is like the physical strength to work, whereas I think the orientation can be much broader than just about that.

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Quote from: premier97 on July 14, 2024, 12:44:59 PM

Labour for me is human productive effort towards achieving set target.To answer the question, labour may be wealth, in the sense that when others labour while you fold your harms and watch from where will the wealth come from? Wealth creation cannot be separated from human effort both mental and physical.

Yes off course labour can be wealthy, and be wealthy because I can even say that even those that We’re seeing wealthy already a lot of them are generated through the labour. Honestly the labour work with their own harms to generate the wealth and the even the reason why some people are complain now that they didn’t wealthy, imagine we’re expected to become wealthy and you don’t want to make the uses of your body how can you reach the target.

The little amount of money we make today it will be the one make us becoming something tomorrow, some don’t understand that the only thing they want may they just turn to a wealthy person with in a few days an everything in this life is a gradually process.

It is true that anyone can become rich when they have done hard work but only some people are able to do hard work and also they are not easy to give up with all the unpleasant things faced in working but there are some people who like to complain about the work they do of course it will be difficult for them to be able to become rich with the work they do.

Surviving with a small income in a job is indeed not an easy thing, but when they really believe that what they are doing will be able to get good results, of course one day they will be able to achieve success from the work they do, yes, there are some people who will not be able to survive with a small income for various reasons, so if they can be patient with every process they have to go through, of course they will also be able to get a lot of results from the work they do.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 17, 2024, 02:12:48 AM

Labor is a single type of resource, not wealth, as wealth is the situation where you have abundant resources. You're not yet wealthy if you have only labor (yourself, your energy). There are many types of labor, such as skilled and unskilled, etc., so it will differ in value as a resource.

It also matters where you are working and what you are working on. For example, a labourer or a mason works hard to build a house, but that house is not his own, he builds it for others, and he is given a small amount of his labour, even though he has done the work very hard, but the hard work he did it for someone else and took a small wage himself.

Similarly, a person who is in a big post in a big company, but is not the owner of that company, is giving all his hard work and time to that company and the benefit is getting more to the owner and only he is getting a salary every month. These people can never become rich, no matter how hard they work, whose ideology is to earn two breads a day. So, you must be hardworking as well as wise and willing to move on and show that by doing something.

Very often people in general are given the advice to work as hard as possible and that is what they do in order to get their income, however it is also important to think about how to do this way more effectively, as if you can do more with less and do so faster, then the rate at which you will accumulate wealth will increase as well.

However unlike hard work, people hardly receive that advice, which is why when they find themselves in a difficult economic situation, they only think about working harder and not about producing the most wealth with their current efforts.

The saying "work smarter, not harder" is here for a reason, but I agree. Most people are lost in the grind and don't see the big picture even for their own situation, not to mention the situations of others lost in it.

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Quote from: dezoel on July 22, 2024, 10:12:31 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on July 17, 2024, 02:12:48 AM

Labor is a single type of resource, not wealth, as wealth is the situation where you have abundant resources. You're not yet wealthy if you have only labor (yourself, your energy). There are many types of labor, such as skilled and unskilled, etc., so it will differ in value as a resource.

It also matters where you are working and what you are working on. For example, a labourer or a mason works hard to build a house, but that house is not his own, he builds it for others, and he is given a small amount of his labour, even though he has done the work very hard, but the hard work he did it for someone else and took a small wage himself.

Similarly, a person who is in a big post in a big company, but is not the owner of that company, is giving all his hard work and time to that company and the benefit is getting more to the owner and only he is getting a salary every month. These people can never become rich, no matter how hard they work, whose ideology is to earn two breads a day. So, you must be hardworking as well as wise and willing to move on and show that by doing something.

Very often people in general are given the advice to work as hard as possible and that is what they do in order to get their income, however it is also important to think about how to do this way more effectively, as if you can do more with less and do so faster, then the rate at which you will accumulate wealth will increase as well.

However unlike hard work, people hardly receive that advice, which is why when they find themselves in a difficult economic situation, they only think about working harder and not about producing the most wealth with their current efforts.

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Quote from: premier97 on July 14, 2024, 12:44:59 PM

Labour for me is human productive effort towards achieving set target.To answer the question, labour may be wealth, in the sense that when others labour while you fold your harms and watch from where will the wealth come from? Wealth creation cannot be separated from human effort both mental and physical.

No, you are wrong! The difference is that good labour may earn you wealth, especially if you know how to manage your life correctly, but labour can not automatically deliver wealth to you. Look around you, is it everyone who is hard-working is wealthy? Do some even earn enough to have anything reasonable to save?

Wealth and financial freedom work hand in hand and it is until you have enough to the point that you are no longer worrying again about the future that you are wealthy. Can all labourers say the same? That shows they are not the same. Also, some people will continue to amass wealth for themselves while you continue to labour for them unsatisfied financially. You can see that the equation is not balanced.

I would assume that even if it requires a lot of people to labour with you, you still have to labour. When people talk about "labour", most think about like factory workers or something, but in reality even Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos provided labour for their company, even if all you do is go out and find some investors, while others work for you, even if you make some network, or find banks, or sign on some new documents, you do not have to just go out to the factor floor and do something, a boss, an owner is still providing some labour for the company, they are not at home sleeping while others are working.

This means that yeah in a way that labour would be required to make money. That doesn't mean that everyone who works end up being rich, as we all can see that workers may stay poor, it just means that people who work may not be rich but people who do not work will definitely stay poor.

This is why if you want to get rich, you have to keep on working for it, and if you do that then you are going to end up with something good. That way, when you see his "if you just watch others work, where will money come" situation makes sense, it's true that if you just watch others and do nothing, you won't get richer.

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Quote from: premier97 on July 14, 2024, 12:44:59 PM

Labour for me is human productive effort towards achieving set target.To answer the question, labour may be wealth, in the sense that when others labour while you fold your harms and watch from where will the wealth come from? Wealth creation cannot be separated from human effort both mental and physical.

wealth doesn't just come without any exertion of effort or what you're referring to as labour, the compensation you get for exerting a particular effort in a project is what's responsible for the wealth you've accumulated. It might be mental, physical, or just merely expressive. As long as your ascertion of labour yields a positive results as helps solve a given problem, you've succeeded in creating wealth through labour.

It's worthy of note that it's not just anyhow labour that yields good results, some unfruitful labour doesn't yiekd any positive result regardless of the effort being exerted because it didn't help solve any problem at all. For your labour to yield profit that create wealth, it has to be a positive one that helps solve life's problems.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 17, 2024, 02:12:48 AM

Labor is a single type of resource, not wealth, as wealth is the situation where you have abundant resources. You're not yet wealthy if you have only labor (yourself, your energy). There are many types of labor, such as skilled and unskilled, etc., so it will differ in value as a resource.

It also matters where you are working and what you are working on. For example, a labourer or a mason works hard to build a house, but that house is not his own, he builds it for others, and he is given a small amount of his labour, even though he has done the work very hard, but the hard work he did it for someone else and took a small wage himself.

Similarly, a person who is in a big post in a big company, but is not the owner of that company, is giving all his hard work and time to that company and the benefit is getting more to the owner and only he is getting a salary every month. These people can never become rich, no matter how hard they work, whose ideology is to earn two breads a day. So, you must be hardworking as well as wise and willing to move on and show that by doing something.

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Of course labor is wealth, which is where we have the power to do things and cannot be controlled according to our wishes, if we work very well and get better, our work will make a lot of money and can be a real source of wealth that you can get from your work.

Instead of people who don't work, they don't have any wealth at all, even if you look at rich people also still work to maintain their wealth and increase their wealth in their old age, so work is a wealth. IMO

Work is vital, but it may not guarantee riches, there are those who have put in countless hours and still have made no money. The world is changing, and as more people become tech-savvy, labor becomes less relevant. If labor becomes less valuable, there is less reason to work too hard. A while back, I used to wonder if many people would have gotten wealthy if earning money only required hard work. You simply need to be wise to choose wisely when deciding what role you want to play in life as a source of money so that your efforts are not in vain. The it is better to have a source of income so if their is no plan yet it is better to get a job it is better than seating without doing anything. If you look at people that are rich, they did not make their money from labor, I will strongly disagree that you will make money from labor. It is better for people to clear their mentality on how to make money.

In fact, rich people are much more hardworking than what we generally understand about hard work, especially if you start from a small person, of course hard work needs to be done, both in increasing your income and increasing your ability both in thinking, working and doing business, being something core capital, a combination of many things that need to be done to build wealth, and hard work is one of the steps to be able to achieve goals before smart work.

The problem why many hard workers can't get more wealth as described in your argument is because they don't have the mindset and goals to really strive to be better than other humans.

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Quote from: franky1 on July 14, 2024, 07:18:41 PM

when you can buy a machine or a automated system.. non-labour can produce returns which if those returns are profitable then that profit can accumulate wealth

Your perspectives on confusing issues like this often sits well with me. I needed someone to say that and reading your comment, you didn’t disappoint me. That’s why I agree with the context of labour not being entirely linked with wealth creation. Maybe if does start with it but, it doesn’t always end with it.
Wealth creation has a lot to do with how exposed you are mentally and what ideas your able to come up with, bring it into its physical equivalent to not only make 100% of your effort but from others as well.
While these persons might be working really hard, you end up doing nothing but, your the one amassing the most wealth.

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Quote from: khiholangkang on July 19, 2024, 01:14:44 PM

Of course labor is wealth, which is where we have the power to do things and cannot be controlled according to our wishes, if we work very well and get better, our work will make a lot of money and can be a real source of wealth that you can get from your work.

Instead of people who don't work, they don't have any wealth at all, even if you look at rich people also still work to maintain their wealth and increase their wealth in their old age, so work is a wealth. IMO

Work is vital, but it may not guarantee riches, there are those who have put in countless hours and still have made no money. The world is changing, and as more people become tech-savvy, labor becomes less relevant. If labor becomes less valuable, there is less reason to work too hard. A while back, I used to wonder if many people would have gotten wealthy if earning money only required hard work. You simply need to be wise to choose wisely when deciding what role you want to play in life as a source of money so that your efforts are not in vain. The it is better to have a source of income so if their is no plan yet it is better to get a job it is better than seating without doing anything. If you look at people that are rich, they did not make their money from labor, I will strongly disagree that you will make money from labor. It is better for people to clear their mentality on how to make money.

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I think it's just a matter of perspective. It depends on how you look at it and who your "employer" is, but to me, Labor is not wealth.
Let's say you are a donkey, camel or horse? Would you say labor is wealth? I don't think so. Those right there are the hardest working animals in human communities. Even the slaves and casual workers in most Third World countries would disagree with you.

It is not all labour that can bring wealth, but we gain wealth by labouring because nothing good comes easily. It is not all labour that can make wealth because their are people who struggle day and night but still they still find life very difficult. Becoming wealthy is not just a thing of labour, I think to be wealthy is beyond just labour, their are some other things that needs to be involved.

I just know it is not every labour that can make one to become wealthy and their is no wealth without labour, you need to pay some price which you really need to labour.

Yeah true, if we want to get rich and have a good life, we need to make sure that we are dealing with hard work, and while that doesn't mean that hard work could be making us rich, because there are a lot hard workers who can't, it's a required thing to get rich.

Another thing to get rich is to have rich parents, if you look at all the rich people in the world, you will see that they all had fathers and mothers that were rich, so it is not like they got rich out of nowhere. Don't get me wrong, I am talking about having parents that have a few million dollars, turn into a kid with a billion dollars, and not all kids with millionaire parents ended up being billionaires neither but all billionaires had millionaire parents.

There are few exceptions of course, but if you look at 1000+ billionaires of the world, 90%+ of them had parents that were influential and rich, which should be the point that would help you out understand why we can't be as rich as them, ever. The end result is that we could just hope to be the parents, we could turn our life into something much better by having a million dollars if we ever can, by hard work, and if achieve that, we would hope our kids won't ruin it instead.

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I think this is a general thing that probably everyone knows, like the saying that there will be no change if there is no action, all success is always achieved by starting with an experiment, everyone gets money to pay for all their life needs which is generated from the work they do. do. Although on the other hand I understand that not all movements or actions can always become wealth, but all success in financial freedom always starts with intention and action, meaning that if you just sit around without doing anything that can be useful for your life in the future then of course you won't get anything.

This means, of course, that work is something that humans do to achieve the wealth targets they desire, but sometimes there are always some people who have very high dreams of becoming successful people in the future but they don't take any action at the moment. That means it is nothing more than just a fantasy, because a dream without being based on action is nothing more than a hallucination.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on July 20, 2024, 05:30:17 AM

I think they know that the foundation of wealth is money, but maybe they are just trying to console themselves that they are not rich but at least they are emotional and honest people. Because just by looking at what is happening today, we will easily recognize who is classified as billionaires, millionaires...Everything is based on the amount of money and assets they hold, no one relies on whether they have a happy family or not, live happily or not...to judge whether they are a billionaire or millionaire.
Yes, money is the beginning of everything in our life.

actually labor is the real source of wealth, I think the harder we work the more results we will get, especially being able to make money and that is an achievement in wealth, indeed now money has become one of the structures that is very strong and important and that can provides a different point of view. It depends on the people who judge it, and you can see that the lives of those who have a lot of money look happy, despite the fact whether the sentiment is happy or not, you will reach a point where you will think that money is everything but everything requires money and indeed that's a fact that needs to be lived.

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I also disagree when many people say they are rich but they are rich in health, rich in love...That's not true, once we talk about wealth it needs to be related to money and lots of it, money is the foundation of wealth and if we don't have money then we are not rich at all.

some people does not know that the money is a foundation of wealth from my analysis and observation money is the beginning of everything that to make you to be influential in the society so if you have money you will have different companies different things that will bring money around you and those things that is around you are called wealth, well people who doesn't understand it will define wealth in another ways and riches in another ways.for money anybody who has money is entitled to have wealth, because theirs some people who has money but they don't have wealth.

I think they know that the foundation of wealth is money, but maybe they are just trying to console themselves that they are not rich but at least they are emotional and honest people. Because just by looking at what is happening today, we will easily recognize who is classified as billionaires, millionaires...Everything is based on the amount of money and assets they hold, no one relies on whether they have a happy family or not, live happily or not...to judge whether they are a billionaire or millionaire.
Yes, money is the beginning of everything in our life.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on July 19, 2024, 08:24:42 AM

I also disagree when many people say they are rich but they are rich in health, rich in love...That's not true, once we talk about wealth it needs to be related to money and lots of it, money is the foundation of wealth and if we don't have money then we are not rich at all.

That's just a parable in a connotation of happiness because when talking about happiness of course there will be several options that are seen such as health or tranquility etc. but when talking about wealth for now it seems that everyone's benchmark will still remain the same where those who do have a lot of money, abundant assets and businesses that will never run out for several generations have become the initial benchmark when someone is considered a rich person.

It cannot be denied that this stigma will continue to exist because after all, even though we are happy or sufficient with the current economy and we remain healthy and do not have a history of any disease, it will not be said to be someone who is rich if we do not have money and assets that support one of the traits of being rich for now because the benchmark remains in money .

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Quote from: premier97 on July 14, 2024, 12:44:59 PM

Labour for me is human productive effort towards achieving set target.To answer the question, labour may be wealth, in the sense that when others labour while you fold your harms and watch from where will the wealth come from? Wealth creation cannot be separated from human effort both mental and physical.

Yes off course labour can be wealthy, and be wealthy because I can even say that even those that We’re seeing wealthy already a lot of them are generated through the labour. Honestly the labour work with their own harms to generate the wealth and the even the reason why some people are complain now that they didn’t wealthy, imagine we’re expected to become wealthy and you don’t want to make the uses of your body how can you reach the target.

The little amount of money we make today it will be the one make us becoming something tomorrow, some don’t understand that the only thing they want may they just turn to a wealthy person with in a few days an everything in this life is a gradually process.

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Of course labor is wealth, which is where we have the power to do things and cannot be controlled according to our wishes, if we work very well and get better, our work will make a lot of money and can be a real source of wealth that you can get from your work.

Instead of people who don't work, they don't have any wealth at all, even if you look at rich people also still work to maintain their wealth and increase their wealth in their old age, so work is a wealth. IMO

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Quote from: Marvell1 on July 19, 2024, 08:24:42 AM

I also disagree when many people say they are rich but they are rich in health, rich in love...That's not true, once we talk about wealth it needs to be related to money and lots of it, money is the foundation of wealth and if we don't have money then we are not rich at all.

some people does not know that the money is a foundation of wealth from my analysis and observation money is the beginning of everything that to make you to be influential in the society so if you have money you will have different companies different things that will bring money around you and those things that is around you are called wealth, well people who doesn't understand it will define wealth in another ways and riches in another ways.for money anybody who has money is entitled to have wealth, because theirs some people who has money but they don't have wealth.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on July 19, 2024, 07:13:26 AM

Quote from: jaberwock on July 16, 2024, 02:28:32 PM

Wealth can be subjective and does not always mean money, and then some ways to get a wealth can only be simple or even not an efficient one. In addition to what I said first, health is also wealth and how can we be able to earn money if we are sick and weak because we neglect the basic and important things such as eating?

I concur in some of the phrase of your suggestion you use, but their is one thing I want you to understand, the primary foundation of wealthy is money including wealth, you can be say or be directed as a someone who has a wealth through what you obtain or achieve with your money, you can't be poor and you been classified as a someone who is wealthy, the breakdown scenario of someone who has wealth is someone who is financially boyaunt, any other one is a complement of mere statement, because as someone who has a wealth their most be indicator or evidence to render that your are wealthy.

I also disagree when many people say they are rich but they are rich in health, rich in love...That's not true, once we talk about wealth it needs to be related to money and lots of it, money is the foundation of wealth and if we don't have money then we are not rich at all.

In addition, many people believe that money cannot buy health and I do not agree with this. If we don't have money to pay for good things for ourselves such as spending money on clean food, spending money on regular health checks, or even spending money on medical treatment...If we don't have money for those things, how can we get and maintain our health? Healthy people are not necessarily rich, but rich people will certainly have ways to maintain their health.

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