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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 14, 2022, 01:53:47 PM

Understanding the origins of Satoshi wouldn't help. Satoshi wanted privacy didn't seek the spotlight.

Quote from: Mr.right85 on December 14, 2022, 12:10:31 PM

Let's remain thankful and enjoy the crypto development. We need more people like Satoshi Nakamoto, people who don't seek the spotlight in there attempt to do good.

satoshi made a drastic change in world finances by creating bitcoin,, and which government wouldn't be mad about that then being anonymous and using pseudonyms is a super smart thing that satoshi did. we don't need to find out the identity of satoshi, who is satoshi? where does he-she live? who are his-her parents or family? he-she is a hero, he-she does things that many other heroes do in movies!

The pseudonym Satoshi uses to hide his true identity. Satoshi is very smart, he deliberately hides his real identity to avoid various threats that come to him. People who feel aggrieved by the presence of Bitcoin will hunt down anyone involved in the creation of Bitcoin to save their business.
If satoshi is in Russia, he is Russian, if he lives in Japan, then he is Japanese. Who knows satoshi is Russian or not, his presence has changed everything easier with the creation of Bitcoin.

Thank you satoshi, we really enjoy your work that has changed the world's finances.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 14, 2022, 01:53:47 PM

Understanding the origins of Satoshi wouldn't help. Satoshi wanted privacy didn't seek the spotlight.

Quote from: Mr.right85 on December 14, 2022, 12:10:31 PM

Let's remain thankful and enjoy the crypto development. We need more people like Satoshi Nakamoto, people who don't seek the spotlight in there attempt to do good.

satoshi made a drastic change in world finances by creating bitcoin,, and which government wouldn't be mad about that then being anonymous and using pseudonyms is a super smart thing that satoshi did. we don't need to find out the identity of satoshi, who is satoshi? where does he-she live? who are his-her parents or family? he-she is a hero, he-she does things that many other heroes do in movies!

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Understanding the origins of Satoshi wouldn't help. Satoshi wanted privacy didn't seek the spotlight.

Quote from: Mr.right85 on December 14, 2022, 12:10:31 PM

Let's remain thankful and enjoy the crypto development. We need more people like Satoshi Nakamoto, people who don't seek the spotlight in there attempt to do good.

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Would understanding the origin or nature of Satoshi Nakamoto help?

Perhaps, knowing all about Vitalik Buterin has been what is helping Ethereum. Can we say that or assume that. The thread might have been just some born curiosity but, there is little point to it as it would remain just that.

It's aways been an added advantage to bitcoin, the anonymous nature of Satoshi Nakamoto. If knowing who he/she was as per narrowing Satoshi Nakamoto down would be some disadvantage, am sure we don't want to know.
We are enjoying the anonymity right?

Let's remain thankful and enjoy the crypto development. We need more people like Satoshi Nakamoto, people who don't seek the spotlight in there attempt to do good.

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Satoshi registration November 2009. Russian board created July 2010. There isn't anything to connect them.

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History of local boards

So the first and oldest local board is Russian. I am starting to ponder if Satoshi Nakamoto is Russian, but like Vitalik Buterin, he was already living in a western country like the United States or Canada.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on December 12, 2022, 05:39:02 PM

It should have been established long before that Satoshi is a Russian, there was no writing or post that indicate that he is a Russian he could have posted at least one Russian word or mentioned anything in Russia but there was none and no Russian has claimed that they received an invitation or even a greeting coming from Nakamoto it's not even a theory

It does not serve as proof of Nakamoto not being a Russian however. Nakamoto chose a Japanese name and spoke British English. These two alone are confusing and mismatched enough, unless Nakamoto really was born in UK and given this name which at this point every body doubts.

He tried to keep his identity hidden, meaning it is likely that he threw decoys at us every now and then to make things harder to connect. There are 13 years since he turned it all public. We still have close to zero evidence of his identity, except a few guesses like Finney.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

It should have been established long before that Satoshi is a Russian, there was no writing or post that indicate that he is a Russian he could have posted at least one Russian word or mentioned anything in Russia but there was none and no Russian has claimed that they received an invitation or even a greeting coming from Nakamoto it's not even a theory it's more of a fiction trying to connect something that cannot connect, it just happen that they are more interested in Cryptocurrency they have a huge population and they are open to this new technology.

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

There isn't strong evidence to prove Satoshi's a Russian. How do you know the first local board was Russian?

History of local boards

So the first and oldest local board is Russian. I am starting to ponder if Satoshi Nakamoto is Russian, but like Vitalik Buterin, he was already living in a western country like the United States or Canada.

Despite these possibilities, there is no solid proof of Satoshi Nakamoto being Russian. Rather than being a Russian, Satoshi Nakamoto is more likely a group of people. Which isn't to be expected in any way.

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If you're resolute give examples. Name countries where it's common. I can't think of one using GB British English and international English interchangeably.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 08, 2022, 02:00:47 PM

There's a mystery about how Satoshi used English. There aren't reasons to suspect Satoshi's a Russian.

Why did Satoshi use GB British English and international English

People from Common Wealth countries generally use British and US English interchangeably.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

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This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Looks exactly like the equality movement and women getting less pay, you ignored the people that talks English which the majority does and take a sub section of the forum and trying to reach a conclusion Tongue

. Next time think before creating a hypothetical theory Wink

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 08, 2022, 02:00:47 PM

There's a mystery about how Satoshi used English. There aren't reasons to suspect Satoshi's a Russian.

Why did Satoshi use GB British English and international English

People from Common Wealth countries generally use British and US English interchangeably.

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

There isn't strong evidence to prove Satoshi's a Russian. How do you know the first local board was Russian?

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.
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This is a wrong conclusion. The forum activity you have shown refers only to local boards and doesn't include the main forum boards. Do you know how many Americans are active on the forums? Or British, Canadian and Australian members—how many of them post here regularly? Besides, Russia is a very large country with a larger population than many western nations. Have you ever considered that maybe the Russian local board is so active because English isn't as prevalent among Russians? Russians tend to use their native language and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many Russians also speak other languages, but students can choose from different language such as German or French—not necessarily English.

His conclusion's wrong. It's based on his opinion. He's finding something to connect together to make the wrong conclusion. Satoshi had clean GB English & international English, there isn't strong evidence supporting Satoshi was Russian. There's evidence Satoshi's a pseudonym used by more than one person.

Quote from: Solosanz on November 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM

So you're guessing Satoshi is a Russian because Russian board has a lot post and active members among other local board in this forum?

If I create 300 alt accounts and then make 3000 post on Turkish board, would you say Satoshi is from Turkish? If I create 400 alt accounts and then make 6000 post on new local board e.g. Nepal, would you say Satoshi is from Nepal?

Your assumption isn't make sense and there's 0% correlation about it.

He doesn't see there's 0% correlation or his assumption isn't making sense, he's convinced.

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Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2022, 06:04:46 AM

the answer is more than simple and only gets more complicated by making a relationship based on Satoshi's nationality.
based on statistical data from the internet, Russia had a 2021 population of 143.4 million. if we compare it with 3.899 million in Croatia I guess it is obvious why there is such a difference. I would even say that following only the scale, Croatia and forum members from there are perhaps more active here.

Still, it is not enough information to draw a conclusion from. Romania has a much larger population than Croatia yet it has the lowest activity on the chart.

The most accurate probability we can find is how probable it is that Satoshi is part of a particular nationality calculating activity per board and distributing it by population. Like if Russia has a total population of 10 citizens and the local board has 1, it means ideally 1 in 10 Russians are on Bitcoin Talk (that is if we knew all Russians who have a Bitcoin Talk account are active on the Local board as well, but we all know this is not true in reality).

Then you would know how many of each nationality are on the Forum versus total population, finally giving you some numbers you can maybe work with. Like if 1 in 50 Russians are on Bitcoin Talk versus only 1 in 5000 Croatians, is it fair to say it is more probable that Satoshi is Russian than Croatian? Or am I stupid?

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on December 08, 2022, 02:00:47 PM

There's a mystery about how Satoshi used English. There aren't reasons to suspect Satoshi's a Russian.

Why did Satoshi use GB British English and international English

Satoshi will remain a mystery, we will never know who he really is until one day it is revealed by himself or by a government organization. I have no doubts about Satoshi's anonymity, it is necessary and will definitely support his endeavors as a decentralized asset creator. So I found no reason why he should reveal his identity now or in the future.

Besides that, I also can't find any reason why he is said to be Russian just because Russia has many users in this forum. What if Satoshi is German or maybe from one of the Asian countries that don't have much activity on local board, isn't that always possible?

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There's a mystery about how Satoshi used English. There aren't reasons to suspect Satoshi's a Russian.

Why did Satoshi use GB British English and international English

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Quote from: NdaMk on December 08, 2022, 01:15:20 PM

The activities on the local board do not indicate that the majority of users are from Russia or that Satoshi is from Russia. We have thousands of users in this forum, and if you compare your statistics of users in the local board you created, you'll notice that most users don't really communicate in the local board, either because their local board isn't available here or because they don't want their location to be known.

Satoshi could be from Russia, but he could also be from England or America which doesn't actually have a local board. I agree that Satoshi is not Indonesian, but all possibilities regarding other countries are understandable. Russia has a large user base on forums, but that doesn't prove that Satoshi is from there. I could even think of Satoshi as a group of people from several countries, but operating this forum account is one person.

About who and where Satoshi came from is still an unsolved mystery, and I'm sure it will stay the same forever.

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The activities on the local board do not indicate that the majority of users are from Russia or that Satoshi is from Russia. We have thousands of users in this forum, and if you compare your statistics of users in the local board you created, you'll notice that most users don't really communicate in the local board, either because their local board isn't available here or because they don't want their location to be known.

The forum's privacy will prevent accurate statistics on where the users in this forum are from. Some users here who understand more than one language have commented on more than one local board; the origin of such users cannot be determined unless they reveal themselves. You made an assumption, but the facts you provided does not support it.

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No. And the argument in the main thread has not altered my belief that Satoshi Nakamoto is not a Russian. But is it enough to assume that Satoshi Nakamoto is an American, British, or even an Australian because the language spoken on the busiest boards are in English?

The fact that many nations in eastern Europe and central Asia speak Russian is one of the reasons why there are many people here that post on the Russian boards. They do not have their own local boards. Another is that there are numerous cryptocurrency projects with Russian roots, such as Vitalik Buterin, which in some way encouraged Russians to discover cryptocurrencies.

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I cannot connect the Russian board and Satoshi Nakamoto because of activity we could have thousands of reasons to connect Satoshi to anything but it must be backed by evidence, not just mere assumption, we cannot connect him as an extraterrestrial or a monk, the possibility is endless and since there are thousands possibility without solid evidence we should stop doing assumption or wild guess on who or what he is, let's just be happy on the thought that it greatly benefits the community with an unknown creator.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

I'm wondering too, Another fact here is that the first local board was also created in Russian language, However, no one knows if this is true since everything is still annonymous , i'v learnt to live with the fact that the creator of Bitcoin Satoshi has decided for now they're annonymous until maybe they become known some day.

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You are asking the wrong question. It should be, "Why is the Russian local board, more active than the rest?"

I support this, what if by chance there's a surge of Chinese users or their local boards become very active, will we assume that Satoshi is Chinese based on your assumption that there are a lot of active users on that particular board to assume that Satoshi comes from that country, we should rest the case on who is Satoshi Nakamoto and what's his nationality is, we already have a very long discussion on that and your assumption is not part of that.

the answer is more than simple and only gets more complicated by making a relationship based on Satoshi's nationality.
based on statistical data from the internet, Russia had a 2021 population of 143.4 million. if we compare it with 3.899 million in Croatia I guess it is obvious why there is such a difference. I would even say that following only the scale, Croatia and forum members from there are perhaps more active here.

also, the largest number of individual frauds comes from Russian users. should we give them an honorary red flag because of that?

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on November 29, 2022, 06:40:54 PM

You are asking the wrong question. It should be, "Why is the Russian local board, more active than the rest?"

I support this, what if by chance there's a surge of Chinese users or their local boards become very active, will we assume that Satoshi is Chinese based on your assumption that there are a lot of active users on that particular board to assume that Satoshi comes from that country, we should rest the case on who is Satoshi Nakamoto and what's his nationality is, we already have a very long discussion on that and your assumption is not part of that.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

I also understand that bitcoin url was blacklisted by the Russian government and yet they are still topping all the charts.

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Other accounts to this might ask if Satoshi Nakamoto is indeed a person or a group/organisation.
It isn't obvious that it's just just hunch for you which from the name, there could be a lot of doubts not to mention that, the site is restricted in Russia which makes it unlikely as those within the Russian jurisdiction gets to access the forum using VPN.

Another place to look which could account for the Russian massive participation is that, Russia isn't an English speaking nation and though we have so many great Russians whom are no strangers to English, there are those who are and they make good use of the Russian locale. As humans, unjust prohibitions often calls for uncommon participation.

Again, with the saying we are all Satoshi, Nakamoto might just be a Russian, as well well a Nigerian, Korean and what have you...

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

Are you basing it on the number of users here in Bitcointalk I guess logic tells us that it goes by the numbers of the population, Russia is huge and it just happens that they like and adopt decentralization

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This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

Will any Russian here post if they have been invited personally by Satoshi to be part of this forum or ask them why they are here so far no Russian has posted that they know who Satoshi is or he's been invited by Satoshi?

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There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

The only explanation I can think of is they are good at adapting to what's will have an impact in the future, and they are good at inviting their peers to this technology.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 01, 2022, 04:43:06 PM

Do you have some stats about that, or could you maybe create special end of the yearly report for all local boards from the time of their creation?
For example you can show what local board was most active in 2014, 2015, 2016 ... right up until 2022.

Yeah something like that could be done as while Merit Dashboard doesn't show post data before December 2017, ninjastic.space does. I will think about it and see if I can come up with something at the end of the year.

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Quote from: Rikafip on December 01, 2022, 12:15:53 PM

As a matter of fact, Chinese local board used to be among the most active ones and then in the mid 2018 their numbers fell down drastically. Japanese used to be active as well, but around the same time their numbers went down as well.

I didn't know that, but I usually didn't check activity in other local boards, until you started posting your regular monthly reports.
Do you have some stats about that, or could you maybe create special end of the yearly report for all local boards from the time of their creation?
For example you can show what local board was most active in 2014, 2015, 2016 ... right up until 2022.

Interesting topic about history of local boards in forum, first one created in 2010 was Russian, Spanish and German:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/history-of-local-boards-5205448

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

If Satoshi thought like you and got his "people early on" to get an early start, I don't think that Bitcoin would become what it is today.

Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I wouldn't even call it a evidence, as those charts that I made about most active local boards have no correlation to Satoshi's nationality.

Quote from: dkbit98 on November 30, 2022, 06:37:27 PM

However, I never understood why China and Japan never had any big activity here.

As a matter of fact, Chinese local board used to be among the most active ones and then in the mid 2018 their numbers fell down drastically. Japanese used to be active as well, but around the same time their numbers went down as well.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I try to understand logically in my mind, according to the quote above, from the data I have seen, it is reasonable and rational, why the Russians are more active in this forum than other countries.

That reason can be matched based on what I observed in this source: DIGITAL 2022: THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, there are several points that I can logically conclude.

1. It makes sense that the activity on this forum, greater in Russia, is the reason.

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Russia's internet penetration rate stood at 89.0 percent of the total population at the start of 2022. Kepios analysis indicates that internet users in Russia increased by 5.8 million (+4.7 percent) between 2021 and 2022.

2. Another reason that makes sense to me, is below.

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At the start of 2022, 75.2 percent of Russia’s population lived in urban centres, while 24.8 percent lived in rural areas.

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6.1 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 0 and 4.
10.2 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 5 and 12.
5.5 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 13 and 17.
6.5 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 18 and 24.
13.1 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 25 and 34.
16.1 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 35 and 44.
12.8 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 45 and 54.
13.4 percent of Russia’s population is between the ages of 55 and 64.
16.5 percent of Russia’s population is aged 65 and above.

Conclusion: From the analysis of the data above, it's no wonder that Russia has the most activity & users on the Bitcointalk forum, nearly 129.8 million Russians use the internet, it is very likely that they also use this forum.

Quite clear from my point of view, that Satoshi is not in Russia, which for sure we can't see from most users & activity, different understanding, if it is associated with Satoshi.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 30, 2022, 03:12:42 PM

But the fact is that Satoshi is a human and he is from somewhere but we in this community are not interested in knowing where.

How is that a fact? Can you provide some evidence to support that claim?

A lot of people believe that "Satoshi Nakamoto" is a pseudonym for an individual or team of individuals, but no one has yet confirmed that he is a human being, as far as I know. Wink

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

The truth about this data given above is that it varies from month to month, its never constant, so it can't be a criterion for judging where Satoshi might have come from because I can remember Germany and Turkey ones took the lead as the country with the most traffic on the forum. So would you have said Satoshi is from Germany or Turkey back then?
Moreover, you are slightly close to the answer of the country with the most traffic on the forum, because according to the statistics I got from "similarweb.com" which is an A.I online tool that can be used to check the country with the most traffic on any given website in the World, I was able to find out that Ukraine happens to be the number one country with the most traffic on the Bitcoinntalk forum for the past 30 days, followed by the United States as 2nd and Russia as 3rd on the list, as you can see below. But I think since Ukraine doesn't have a local board on the forum, they joined in using the Russian local board, which is why you have had such high post counts for the past 30 days.

Note: This figure varies from month to month

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Quote from: Welsh on November 30, 2022, 05:45:15 PM

Could be for multiple reasons, some of which might not be very easy to verify. It could be that the ideals of Bitcoin appealed more to Russia, because of the political situation they found themselves in at the time. Russian is also a pretty popular language on the internet, I do believe it's Russian, Chinese, and English that pretty much dominate most of the internet. I might be wrong in that, though.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-most-used-languages-on-the-internet/

I was interested to know the accuracy of your opinion about the most popular languages used on the Internet. This statistic is not exactly up to date, as it is dated 2021, but I believe it is still relevant. Likewise, I am also very surprised that the Russian language is very popular and is in second place after the English language, which is so widely used all over the world.

But what is remarkable is that I also found a lot of information indicating that Russian-speaking people began to massively learn other languages. Since not all Russians reacted positively to the mobilization, they were forced to leave the country, which forced them to start learning the languages of the countries to which they moved.
https://holod.media/2022/12/01/na-fone-vojny-rossiyane-stali-bolshe-izuchat-inostrannye-yazyki/

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

We have so many speculations about the nationality of Satoshi but you are the only one that thinks that he is Russian, can you give us an example of Satoshi's works written in Russian I may be ignorant if he has works written in Russian, but there's no evidence also of a specific nationality where he asks or gets support he always speaks in general and does not mention any hint of his nationality, many thinks that is a Japanese because Satoshi Nakamoto sounds like a Japanese name.

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Quote from: Awaklara on November 30, 2022, 08:58:23 PM

I always thought it wasn't important for me to know who Satoshi was. or where did Satoshi come from. he/she has decided to remain anonymous and it should be that way for us too. no need to find out what the associated truth is.
although it will always cause any of us to be interested in topics like this, the OP, you have a thought that probably no one would ever agree with. including the Russian people in the forum.

It may not matter to people like me and you, but some other people will find it important regardless of their reasons. After all, satoshi remains anonymous today even though many people are eager to find out his identity in various ways. Satoshi will remain anonymous, and always will be.

I would prefer if the satoshi never got exposed I would believe if it did there would be a lot of drama being made just to go against bitcoin especially from the government. Bitcoin remains strong without satoshi.

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Satoshi is impossible to do something that is impossible to do, I mean Satoshi's capacity is impossible to make brochures or invitations to invite people around where he lives to join the Bitcointalk site. There is not the slightest gain for him if people around him join Bitcointalk and he has nothing to lose if people choose to ignore this forum.
The increasing population of Russians means that they are very enthusiastic about new technologies that can provide them with many advantages. Russian people are very aware that this forum is very useful for them to get all information about Cryptocurrencies, especially Bitcoin. Their love for Bitcoin has earned them more and more here and some of them have contributed a lot to the forum.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.

I always thought it wasn't important for me to know who Satoshi was. or where did Satoshi come from. he/she has decided to remain anonymous and it should be that way for us too. no need to find out what the associated truth is.
although it will always cause any of us to be interested in topics like this, the OP, you have a thought that probably no one would ever agree with. including the Russian people in the forum.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

It's obvious that largest countries in the world will have biggest activity in their local boards, and that doesn't mean that Satoshi is coming from that area but they have a lot of blockchain developers.
If United States/United Kingdom/Australia would have local board for some weird reason, they would probably have the most activity in forum.
However, I never understood why China and Japan never had any big activity here.
Back to Satoshi, according to all of his written posts and messages, most likely he (or they) have British origin.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 30, 2022, 03:12:42 PM

The logic still holds, which is why Russia becomes the first people to get their local board. It should be because they were the most populated. Why were they the most populated? It still revolves around the topic in OP.

Could be for multiple reasons, some of which might not be very easy to verify. It could be that the ideals of Bitcoin appealed more to Russia, because of the political situation they found themselves in at the time. Russian is also a pretty popular language on the internet, I do believe it's Russian, Chinese, and English that pretty much dominate most of the internet. I might be wrong in that, though.

Also, I don't know this off the top of my head, but when was the Russian section created exactly? Once we know that, you'd have a better idea of what might have led to that becoming the first local section.

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Where did your data come from? 21 active Indians? I think you are about 1000 short. Same goes for the other languages. I assume you got data based on the number of users that post in these boards, but that does not mean people of those countries are not posting in other sections and avoiding their local boards. Most campaigns do not accept local board posts which is why they would avoid those sections.

I have no clue what ethnic background satoshi was, but there are some OG users who may have more knowledge on the subject. It may also be something that satoshi tried keeping hidden idk.

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I think he is an alien. Roll Eyes

How did you connect the local board activity with Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't see any connection at all.

Russian people loves bitcointalk so they are making more posts than other local boards and that can be the only reason.

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

The logic still holds, which is why Russia becomes the first people to get their local board. It should be because they were the most populated. Why were they the most populated? It still revolves around the topic in OP.
I have been reading other people's suggestions and it shows that no one is supporting the idea of Satoshi being from Russia. Well it profits us nothing if he is from there. But the fact is that Satoshi is a human and he is from somewhere but we in this community are not interested in knowing where.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.

The creator, Satoshi Nakamoto might be also British, American, Japanese or whoever he wanted. My point is that no one really knew his exact identity or where did he live or where was he born. There's a lot of speculation that might be connected to his identity but up to this point, nobody was able to prove about his whereabouts. The fact that he is already clever enough to create bitcoin means that he's also clever enough to conceal his identity.

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There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

You already said it yourself, the evidence you laid is not really concrete. The Russians may have been in the forum since 2010 but that is not proof to say that SN is Russian. My theory why the Russian Board is very active is because not all of them can understand and talk English which is the universal language, they are just all congested in one board.

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Your points are nice. If the local board carry the highest score the same users are also in the main board. But I would not take that points to say Satoshi is from Russia because 3 or more countries in geo-political zone can form one board. Just like in West Africa, there is Nigerians Local Thread for Pidgin English, and if any other country in the West Africa that can speak Pidgin English can make comments in the thread, and that will also increase the activities of the local thread. And probably that is what has happened to the Russian board. Therefore, I can not say Satoshi is from Russia. But my presumption is that, He, Satoshi is from America. But someone said, Russians were the first to join the forum, and if that is true then what OP is saying is not far from the truth.

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Well, if you have drawn these statistics when Satoshi were still active on this forum, it would still mean nothing. You cannot extrapolate any individual activity from the "activity" statistics of a group of users to identify him/her. Roll Eyes

There has been several vocabulary experts trying to identify him/her through their posts that was done on this forum and their finding was not that he or she were Russian. (They even looked at the time of the posts to try and determine on what timezone Satoshi were) Grin

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Until now, Satoshi's identity or privacy is still very guarded and I think that we, as active members in this forum, also need to maintain that privacy, even though I myself do not know where Satoshi came from.

Regarding the Russian local board posting matrix, it is very high compared to other countries, we cannot make it as an assumption that Satoshi is from there. The level of activity of members on the local board depends on the personal comfort of each member of this forum although being more active on the local board is also better for the progress of the local board itself.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on November 30, 2022, 04:03:23 AM

Quote from: Hispo on November 29, 2022, 02:46:21 PM

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I did not know that Russia had blocked access to this forum, because the huge amount of people from there who participate here in Bitcointalk, sounds counter productive for the Russian government to try to ban something they can't enforce, imo.
Also, I never fully understood why some people unironically believe Satoshi is dead or was assassinated, he seemed to be clever enough to stay fully anonymous and left the forum early enough, I assume he foresaw the attention that was coming towards him and left.

I like to think he is alive and enjoying an early retirement somewhere.

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They only block any url related to bitcoin? But I think this one can be bypassed easily either by just using some tools that change the url like url shortener or they can also use a VPN. No wonder why the post on the Russian local boards of this forum is still high but it's not enough evidence to say that satoshi is Russian.

The claim can be more valid if you saw that most of satoshi's post are from Russian boards. There are many Russians in the forum because Russia is a big country and then Russians are into bitcoin even if btc on them isn't totally legal but I think the status of btc had changed during the war and Russia have been sanctioned because their government started using btc that time.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

If Nigerians one day become dominant on the forum, will that mean that Satoshi is perhaps from Nigeria?

Such pointless discussions lead nowhere, because the real name and nationality of the person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto is completely irrelevant. Satoshi didn't invent Bitcoin just for Russians or Nigerians or anyone else in particular, and that's why he decided to remain anonymous.

Perhaps Satoshi was an alien whose spaceship crashed on Earth, and while repairing his spaceship he invented Bitcoin along the way - and is gone because he returned to his home planet in the constellation Taurus Wink

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Satoshi being from a particular country wouldn't make this country more into Bitcoin or more active on the forum (or specifically on local boards), especially since nobody knows Satoshi's identity and country of origin. Moreover, local board activity doesn't mean that 'the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries'. It might just mean that while other nations tend to speak English and take part in the main sections of the forum, fewer Russians speak English well and/or are willing to communicate in it and prefer the local board. Furthermore, it's a big exaggeration to count all who speak Russian as Russians. Ukrainians are often fluent Russian speakers, Belarusians as well, and there are very sizeable numbers of Russian speakers in other countries like Kazakhstan or Estonia. Which can again significantly contribute to the local board posting while not meaning that there are more Russians here than everyone else. So the data on local board doesn't even say that Russians dominate the local board sections, let alone that Russia is huge on Bitcoin adoption or that Satoshi is Russian.

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1. I am not Russian, however, russian is one of the languages I speak and I often check there.
2. There are a lot of people who are not Russian, however, russian language is de facto first language for them. Lots of them.
3. I think people in Russian section of this site (and I think everywhere generally) tend to argue a lot. Those who speaks russian they know :-) that creates a lot of content.

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You misunderstand. If a person speaks Russian, it is not at all necessary that he be Russian. Also, for those interested in history, the USSR consisted of republics whose language was predominantly Russian. Later, when the USSR was divided into separate republics and the CIS appeared, the language of communication, albeit to a lesser extent, remained Russian. Therefore, not all people in the Russian-speaking section belong to Russia. From this, you can conclude that it is absolutely not necessary for some to bypass the blocking that Russia has for this forum.
As for Satoshi, I like your idea

. There's a lot to like here. A lot of brilliant discoveries were created by Russian-speaking people.

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Quote from: Hispo on November 29, 2022, 02:46:21 PM

I do not why there are some many people from Russia here on Bitcointalk, I do not mind, at all.
I have just assumed to this day that people from Russia have a natural attraction towards technology, cryptography and computer science. I may be completely wrong though. Tongue

Citizens of Russia and Ukraine actively communicate in the Russian-language section of the Bitcointalk forum.

In Russia, access to the forum is blocked, but the citizens of the Russian Federation are used to various bans from the Government, so they use VPN technology to visit the forum.

Russian-speaking users are very fond of IT technologies, many of them have a higher technical education, in addition, they really like to communicate with other people (including on the Internet).

I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is Russian or Ukrainian....

But even if this is true, it does not explain why there are many Russian-speaking users on the forum. It is unlikely that these are the children or grandchildren of Satoshi Nakamoto.

Satoshi Nakamoto remained the anonymous inventor of bitcoin. Perhaps he died or was killed by representatives of the special services.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

Your presumption here is inaccurate because you can't because of a particular locale population on the forum concluded that Satoshi himself is a Russian, as to the best of my knowledge i think that alone should be one of the reasons why Russian locale shouldn't have been one of the highest population on the forum because most times people tend not to believe or adopt an invention that comes from their country citizens while other countries do appreciate such, am yet to still believe the statistics that Russia has the highest population on the forum since it's a choice to be identified by a locale you belong to.

We have a large number of users on this forum not participating in the locale, since it it believed that the English not speaking countries have their each language they could better experience their participation on bitcointalk, and we we are to talk by global ranking of countries with highest population of bitcoiners, Russia is not one of the first three, consider US to an extent since it is by default an English speaking country, most of its citizens sees locale as less needed because they have no language barrier.

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maybe Russian people are more aware of technology and progress of the times, maybe that's what caused many BTT members from Russia.

satoshi Nakamoto, from the name alone it looks like a name from Japan, why do you mention Russians, just because there are more members from Russia.
and I think this Satoshi is a group, not an individual.
because making programs like bitcoin/crypto is a very complicated thing, especially since bitcoin was created when the technology was not as sophisticated as it is now.
therefore I believe that this satoshi is a group not an individual, because if it's an individual, it's too difficult.

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There is no correlation between the highest number of members and Satoshi Nakamoto coming from Russia. It's hard to even identify the extent of Satoshi Nakamoto's closest ties to the Russian state, personally I'm not that close to people in the Russian community, but I don't think there is any connection at all regarding the identity of Bitcoin's creator to the Russians.
Moreover, there is no more accurate source, to justify your assumptions, and I don't think there is a need to find out more about who the real Satoshi is.

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Quote from: m2017 on November 30, 2022, 02:15:36 AM

Forgive me OP, but I don't see any logic in the connection between Satoshi and the number of active users in the russian local board. The predominance of Russian users can only mean that they are more interested in bitcoin, crypto currencies and related technologies. Compared to other countries. The manifestation of activity is not an indicator that the founder of the bitcointalk belongs to them. Therefore, I believe that your arguments don't confirm anything, just as it don't refute anything. Satoshi can be a citizen of any country in the world, but we will not know anything about it.

What is certain is that Satoshi is a resident of Earth who has a superior brain by building Bitcoin technology to date.

The OP only saw from the very active Russian user Domination and that really won't prove anything. As you said, Russians are probably more interested in cryptocurrencies and their technology than other countries which are lagging behind on the new technologies that are being talked about. My country alone Indonesia has little activity, because only a few people are really interested in bitcoin and are in this forum.

About satoshi's identity, no need to guess anything just let him stay in his Privacy, it will be better.

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Forgive me OP, but I don't see any logic in the connection between Satoshi and the number of active users in the russian local board. The predominance of Russian users can only mean that they are more interested in bitcoin, crypto currencies and related technologies. Compared to other countries. The manifestation of activity is not an indicator that the founder of the bitcointalk belongs to them. Therefore, I believe that your arguments don't confirm anything, just as it don't refute anything. Satoshi can be a citizen of any country in the world, but we will not know anything about it.

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Do you really think that Satoshi's nationality is that important? Would it make a difference, if he was really a Russian?
Is Satoshi Nakamoto one person? What if he is a team of developers?
The Russian Local board is quite active and there are many crypto companies founded in Russia, even though the Russian government isn't crypto-friendly at all. However, that doesn't mean anything.
Even if Satoshi was a Russian, there's no way to prove this theory. I don't think that he is Russian, because his English was pretty good.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on November 29, 2022, 05:00:24 PM

Quote from: macson on November 29, 2022, 04:38:56 PM

(...) satoshi is everywhere, watching us somewhere (...)

So, like a god? Cheesy

Could you spare a coin, almighty? Roll Eyes

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lastly, there is also a possibility that not only Russians are active on the Russian board locally but from neighboring countries that have the same language maybe.

Good point. Georgians, Moldovans, and so on would fall into the same subforum. Bulgarians also don't have their own forum, but use the same alphabet, so they could be contributing.

i just remember the best word on bitcointalk advertising -- no god, no king, only Bitcoin

true, the countries that were once part of the soviet union and surrounding countries still use the Russian language a lot ^(cmiiw), which makes Russian one of the most widely used languages in the world.

Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

good point!

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The reason may be that Russian people do not speak English, so they can only write in their local board. People from europa, Africa or America can mostly understand English and write in all other places.

Quote from: Solosanz on November 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM

So you're guessing Satoshi is a Russian because Russian board has a lot post and active members among other local board in this forum?

If I create 300 alt accounts and then make 3000 post on Turkish board, would you say Satoshi is from Turkish? If I create 400 alt accounts and then make 6000 post on new local board e.g. Nepal, would you say Satoshi is from Nepal?

Your assumption isn't make sense and there's 0% correlation about it.

Exactly

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until now I never thought who satoshi was and where he came from. but all i think is satoshi is the one who created bitcoin for the future.

don't assume if the local russian board is more active you think if the satoshis are from russia, that is a mistake.
all of us who are here will also never know where the satoshi comes from. because the existence of satoshi is very private which must be maintained from several factors.
and what I know is that the reason Russian local boards are more active is because Russia has great interest in bitcoin and other crypto

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on November 29, 2022, 05:00:03 PM

I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

Thank you for adding an exciting piece of information about the forum that I didn't know about before. OP's findings are commendable but unfortunately 2 pieces of evidence are not convincing enough that Satoshi is Russian, if he has some activity in the local boards of Russia, we will have more convincing evidence.
But in the end, we didn't have any clue about his identity, and I found that to be a great thing. I don't know what people think but for me, his anonymity is the right thing and good for bitcoin, him and all of us.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I do not think that Satoshi Nakamoto is a Russian, as you stated there is no concrete evidence that he is a Russian national. One thing I know, Vitalik Buterin is a Russian, see his wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalik_Buterin

In addition from that there are also lots of cryptocurrency developers and crypto company founders that are Russian[1]
Aleksander Ivanov, founder of the Waves Platform;
Vasiliy Suvorov, a senior executive at Luxoft and one of the founders behind the Crypto Valley Association being built in Switzerland;
Alex Fork, CEO of fintech firm Humaniq;
Alex Fedoseev, CEO of 1World Online;
Siberian-turned-Australian Sergei Sergienko, the CEO of ChronoBank;
Igor Barinov, the blockchain priest at POA Network in San Francisco;
Sergei Ponomarev, CEO of SONM, to name a few.
Sergei Chekriy and his partner Yury Mukhin are two Russian entrepreneurs behind I-chain

Aside from that the government is also into integrating cryptocurrency in their finance system. They are developing CryptoRuble under the commision of Russian President Vladimir Putin[1]

That said, I think that is one of the major reason why Russian board is very active in this forum. They are inspired by crypto developers especially Vitalik Buterin who published ETH launch announcement in this forum[3].

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/04/29/meet-the-russians-behind-your-blockchain-and-cryptocurrency-too/?sh=3ce068a33b86
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cryptoruble.asp
[3] [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Very personal idea: Russia is a country with a lot of very rich people, and is also one of those countries where one day you have everything and the next one, if you do something wrong to the wrong person, well, things could go south very quickly because not everybody probably made money without some kind of favor so, my idea, is that people are well aware of these risks and having bitcoin, or knowing how they work, is just smart.

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Dan Pena explained Putin is Satoshi lol Yeeep Putin is playing a long game and crushing all economies in the world! He doesn't sound like joking, you can find it on youtube.

Russians are more active on thier local board because they speak Russia there. But who's to say after all Satoshi has not revealed himself so maybe he is Russian. But the stats in the forum is not proof.

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good research, but I think even though many users are Russian, I don't think satoshis are Russian. because Satoshi's identity is very hidden, and I think the graph you made is very good. and seen in the graph that you made, it shows that many bitcointalk users are Russians.

and that reassures me
if Satoshi wasn't Russian.

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So you're guessing Satoshi is a Russian because Russian board has a lot post and active members among other local board in this forum?

If I create 300 alt accounts and then make 3000 post on Turkish board, would you say Satoshi is from Turkish? If I create 400 alt accounts and then make 6000 post on new local board e.g. Nepal, would you say Satoshi is from Nepal?

Your assumption isn't make sense and there's 0% correlation about it.

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Satoshi lived in the Internet.

He communicated through email and message boards with people all around the world.

At that time, there was basically no local communities for Bitcoin.

I don't see how having a big community of people using or talking about Bitcoin in a specific area of the world is linked to where Satoshi is from.

Bitcoin was born in the Internet, it has no borders, or origins. It actually needed at least one other peer to start mining, so even that origin is not from a singular physical place.

Also, you're not comparing the main area of the forum, which is in English. There's no local board for English because it's the main one.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

I also understand that bitcoin url was blacklisted by the Russian government and yet they are still topping all the charts.

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Your questions are assumptions that needs to be researched on to verify the relationship between the population of Russia in Bitcoin talk and the nationality of Satoshi. Until we do a proper research on this topic, lets keep on making suggestions and assumptions. The population of Russia compared to other countries could be a good reason why they have more activities in the forum. It could also be that some of the first members of this forum are Russians. Their high population could also be that Russian have close relationship and are openhearted. I said this because it is possible they have the tendency of introducing their countrymen to something good than other countries. Some people are very selfish that they might not want to introduce anyone to such an educative platform because they want only themselves to acquire relevant knowledge.

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It is true that very many Russians join bitcoin talk, more than 1.5 million Russians are involved in bitcoin talk, they are also involved in home mining, because Russia's energy resources and climate provide some of the best conditions for mining from their own homes, although they are a lot involved in bitcoin talk but that doesn't mean Satoshi Nakamoto is Russian, because until whenever we will never know where Satoshi's real origins are.

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until now no one knows where satoshi came from, and if you want to look deeper I don't think we will find the answer until satoshi reveals his identity,
about russian people , a lot of activity in this forum .
I think Russian people have high interest in crypto because we can see many blockchain projects from Russia
you could say the people there are more open and the community they have is very strong about crypto and blockchain
and they made this forum a place for online discussion , like other countries I think

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You are asking the wrong question. It should be, "Why is the Russian local board, more active than the rest?"

Your stats haven't considered the English boards, which makes the assumption not strong enough. I am not from Russia, but their board could be very active because of the nature of policies there.

One thing I have noticed is that there are so many exchangers that seem to originate from Russia than from anywhere else, if you check exchange monitors like Bestchange. Perhaps folks from there are more exposed to crypto and other forms of online transactions.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

I mean, if this is the only evidence that you can present to prove that Satoshi is Russian, then I think that you are lacking substantial evidence. Again, the fact that a certain board has more activity compared to other boards is not conclusive of anything, let alone implying that Satoshi might be Russian. Though some factors may still be considered, this fact alone cannot be conclusive to think that Satoshi is even Russian.

Like what previous discussions have mentioned, the pseudonym "Satoshi" can be a group of people or even an organization. No one really knows about his or their identity/identities since he/they clearly left without a trace.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.
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This is a wrong conclusion. The forum activity you have shown refers only to local boards and doesn't include the main forum boards. Do you know how many Americans are active on the forums? Or British, Canadian and Australian members—how many of them post here regularly? Besides, Russia is a very large country with a larger population than many western nations. Have you ever considered that maybe the Russian local board is so active because English isn't as prevalent among Russians? Russians tend to use their native language and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many Russians also speak other languages, but students can choose from different language such as German or French—not necessarily English.

Exactly! And also did Satoshi make his posts in Russian? I know he made some posts in British English and others in American style but that’s as far as the trail leads. In my opinion, Satoshi did a great job in concealing his identity, I don’t think we will find the true identity of the pseudonymous person or persons Satoshi Nakamoto that easily even the name is pointing to a different continent. Never once did he write in Japanese, this says a lot about the way HE presented his person. All this was meant to confuse those who would try to find the face behind bitcoin.

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OP, you did well by raising this topic with a good findings but however this is not factual to postulate that there is a correlation between the Russian Local board and Satoshi origin and identity. If I may ask how does this satistical findings on the Russian local board chat participation connotes that he Satoshi is from their? Are there any substantial variables to back your claims? Well I get your point when you try to say that as a person who invented or first accessed an innovation, you will want to bring your people onboard so as to first gain access to that certain technology or innovation which is what every normal and reasonable human would do but however, I do not see anything here which you have said to have any linking with Satoshi. Russians I believe are very much technologically and ICT inclined so hence their early and active participation on their very own local board. We should also note that bounty campaigns run on this platform which is also a means of getting extra income so therefore I will say that presenting a statistical chart for local board participation is not enough proof to back your assumptions or claims.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian.
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This is a wrong conclusion. The forum activity you have shown refers only to local boards and doesn't include the main forum boards. Do you know how many Americans are active on the forums? Or British, Canadian and Australian members—how many of them post here regularly? Besides, Russia is a very large country with a larger population than many western nations. Have you ever considered that maybe the Russian local board is so active because English isn't as prevalent among Russians? Russians tend to use their native language and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many Russians also speak other languages, but students can choose from different language such as German or French—not necessarily English.

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Quote from: macson on November 29, 2022, 04:38:56 PM

(...) satoshi is everywhere, watching us somewhere (...)

So, like a god? Cheesy

Could you spare a coin, almighty? Roll Eyes

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lastly, there is also a possibility that not only Russians are active on the Russian board locally but from neighboring countries that have the same language maybe.

Good point. Georgians, Moldovans, and so on would fall into the same subforum. Bulgarians also don't have their own forum, but use the same alphabet, so they could be contributing.

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I think you forgot to add some important information in your OP, one factor to be considered is that Russian local board was the first local board on bitcointalk. Which means they have been around for the longest time, and also considering their affinity for speaking their own language in IRL and on every online platform. Other local boards That alone is enough reason for their local board to be more active over the years than the others in the forum.

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your topic title is very clickbait bro. satoshi has nothing to do with a local board that has high activity ^{(it's like making baseless speculation)}, satoshi is everywhere, watching us somewhere even maybe he has been around the world.

i read this article ^{[https://triple-a.io/crypto-ownership-russia2022/]} and from the data they provide, there are currently about 10% of Russians who own cryptocurrencies and that is quite a large number, and that data is supported by this article as well ^{[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/20/treasury-department-russia-avoid-sanctions-using-crypto.html]}

lastly, there is also a possibility that not only Russians are active on the Russian board locally but from neighboring countries that have the same language maybe.

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Posts per local board and active members on the forum isn't an accurate method to measure bitcoin adoption, much less the nationality of its creator. There are many bitcoin enthusiasts besides the members of this forum, although it's undeniable russian community is pretty active on every sectors of crypto environment.

I'm not sure the reason, but as I've observed many russians look for extra income, because they are also present in every micro earnings sites. Maybe it's worthful for them because local currency, ruble, is devalued. On this forum, for example, the high traffic of russians might be due to bounty campaigns.

The fact is that the origins of Satoshi's identity remains unknown and probably will remain so.

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Great research! I don't know why there are so many Russians on this forum, but I know they make this community strong. But this chart doesn't mean that Satoshi is from Russia, Satoshi will not disclose his privacy by bringing people from his country.

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The charts you've posted show that there's a lot of Russians in the Russian local board, much more than in other local boards, but that can be interpreted in many different ways.
It doesn't mean there's little people from different nations on bitcointalk, but that there's little people willing to post in local boards. I could use myself as an example here. I live in an English-speaking country, but I'm not a native. I was born in another country and there's a local board for that country here, but I don't use it. I find much better threads in other sections and don't have time to be a content creator for my inactive local board.

I feel like Russians have a very strong attachment to the Cyrillic and prefer it over English. I've always found it funny while playing online games that everybody used to communicate in English, but Russians always ignored that and used their alphabet, even when they understood us. Back in the day when I played a lot, you'd always get a random Russian in Dota or CS who would reply to you in his language.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

Satoshi needed to be covert with his activities as privacy was very high in his priority. Introducing people from your country to the new technology and to such a large extent that it becomes the most populate local board in the forum created for that technology would surely not help you to stay anonymous or private.

Quote from: uchegod-21 on November 29, 2022, 02:33:39 PM

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

Possible reasons;
• They have a strong interest in Bitcoin,
• They have a connected local community which encourages users to identify as Russians,
• They had an early interest in Bitcoin technology, etcetera.

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Oh, my good friend @uchegod-21, you may be making a point by this your statement about Satoshi's origin, but that being said only local board activities of Russians people in this forum can not be a reason to say Satoshi is really a Russian since we know how privacy-conscious Satoshi is so I don't think he will bring in many people from his domain that will dominate the forum to the extent of making top on the local board activities consistently for several months, without any of them making or putting out vital information that could lead the whole world to Satoshi identity.

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I do not why there are some many people from Russia here on Bitcointalk, I do not mind, at all.
I have just assumed to this day that people from Russia have a natural attraction towards technology, cryptography and computer science. I may be completely wrong though. Tongue

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The reason why I asked this question is because I have been following local boards activities posted monthly by Rikafip. Every month Russia activity is always more than double of the other countries. This means that the population of Russians in this forum is higher than other countries by large portion.

I also understand that bitcoin url was blacklisted by the Russian government and yet they are still topping all the charts.

This has made me think that Satoshi is a Russian. I said so because I am a Nigerian. If I am able to develop something like because, I will bring my people in to take early spot and they will also support me when necessary.

There is no other evidence apart from what I presented above which is not concrete. If I am not correct can somebody explain to me why there are many Russians in the forum?

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