Is Sec regulation making the Bull market slower?

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

Your comment really has a certain meaning, but I think that in a specific situation, everything that happens on the cryptocurrency market has a vicious circle, because all participants in the process influence each other. I agree that regulators can not affect a simple cryptocurrency user who has Bitcoin worth several thousand dollars, but at the same time, large whales can suffer from the actions of these structures. because of this, large whales take certain measures, which affects the state of the cryptocurrency market, and the consequences of this situation on the cryptocurrency market affect a simple cryptocurrency user with a small amount of crypto currency funds.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

but the impact itself are worldwide.

everybody know that the market will always respond to any events occured involving bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole that is the fact , but what happened right now to the market is no longer belong to SEC event impact it has been long time since then.
the rules has been applied and if you see this is as a long term market respond i will say it is completely bullshit.

just because those regulations is officially activated doesn't mean it makes the bitcoin project disturbed in a bigger scale.
we can still see a lot of projects presented even more thesedays.
the answer is no. not sec impact.

SEC make many crypto world become down because they have bad regulation for bitcoin and altcoin, but always SEC reject all of bitcoin and altcoin working system. When SEC have adopted bitcoin as legal currency payment maybe will get positive respond with many people to adopt and accept bitcoin as legal currency payment, but when bitcoin have been regulated by SEC can give positive way for bitcoin later.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

It's because most projects are useless and will end up as false promising scam project that draining most investors money. I really think that SEC will always be like this to all of the project that want to get their approval. And also, SEC won't affect the price of Bitcoin itself if they deny some projects they don't have nothing to do with the price of Bitcoin.

Yup ... not only regulates the Blockchain project based on cryptocurrency, but the SEC also regulates ETF's publication when in 2018. and until now the ETF has been canceled. yes, their reason is because of concerns about liquidity and the valuation of futures contracts based on digital assets. well, we can compare with the current price of Bitcoin. SEC problems that occur in 2018 with the price of Bitcoin in December 2019 are still low. so the current price down isn't related to the SEC.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 14, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

but the impact itself are worldwide.

everybody know that the market will always respond to any events occured involving bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole that is the fact , but what happened right now to the market is no longer belong to SEC event impact it has been long time since then.
the rules has been applied and if you see this is as a long term market respond i will say it is completely bullshit.

just because those regulations is officially activated doesn't mean it makes the bitcoin project disturbed in a bigger scale.
we can still see a lot of projects presented even more thesedays.
the answer is no. not sec impact.

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What does a bull run really means to you?

You are looking for the 20k mark which for me is not real.
It is like a fake pump for me. More like an error on the market.
That will not happen again. Yeah, bitcoin is volatile but not to that kind of extent.
You see they call it correction, well that means an error happened right?

Even with SEC or different events like halving, we might not really have a glimpse of that kind of pump in just months.
It will be more slower now but without errors.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

It's because most projects are useless and will end up as false promising scam project that draining most investors money. I really think that SEC will always be like this to all of the project that want to get their approval. And also, SEC won't affect the price of Bitcoin itself if they deny some projects they don't have nothing to do with the price of Bitcoin.

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delay-rejected-repeat. The SEC only wants to make ETF always part of the archive.

They still consider bitcoin trading very low and are always in the manipulation zone. But the regulation actually allows extraordinary movements and will find clearer points, the consequences will make the price of bitcoin stable at the peak of the highest price. I don't understand what the SEC is thinking, now it will really make bitcoin move wilder than they thought. The bull market will not weaken at all, and will still be obsessed independently.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

No, I doubt that SEC has that much influence on the markets anymore.

At least not after the fact that they've denied numerous ETF applications and markets no longer have any expectations placed within them to approve one any time soon. So from that standpoint, all of these restrictions that they've put in is already priced in, and is not the reason of the bear market.

The bear market should be attributed to a simple correction to the unsustainable $14k high. Simple as that.

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Quote from: stadus on December 15, 2019, 12:31:36 AM

This is a good news so probably this would somehow result to a good market movement.
I think we need this kind of big news to ignite the bull run which is everyone is longing for, the altcoins market are dying already so we are desperate for some great news.

In the past, the hype for the SEC approval is good but then some applications were denied, majority are still pending, and it seems like investors are already forgetting this but a good news should have a good market result.

Regulation is indeed a good news but it is probably makes Bull market slower because cash flows is being monitored. Meaning, any sudden influx of fund on Bitcoin market made by any group may cause or lead to an investigation. Probably this is the reason (government regulation) why some investors who wanted to pour in fund to Bitcoin illegaly were kept at bay.

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This is a good news so probably this would somehow result to a good market movement.
I think we need this kind of big news to ignite the bull run which is everyone is longing for, the altcoins market are dying already so we are desperate for some great news.

In the past, the hype for the SEC approval is good but then some applications were denied, majority are still pending, and it seems like investors are already forgetting this but a good news should have a good market result.

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Quote from: FlagstaffRevel235 on December 06, 2019, 07:13:29 AM

We yet to see another Bull market after 2017. SEC is significantly regulating the Crypto but it's still yet to be processed. ICos, STOs then ETF, are we going to get any indication for those staff sooner?

It will eventually come but I don't know if it will come sooner. The way I see it the SEC is still generally unfriendly toward cryptocurrencies. They are still not that open to ICOs and STOs. The ETF is also not approved until now, after a long time of postponement and rejection. But all these may not really be the reasons why the bull run is delayed. The SEC is only acting within a single country. The demand is getting slow. This is probably the reason.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

Yes, the SEC should not regulate the price of Bitcoin regulation, the SEC especially regulates crypto projects that have sprung up. many projects in 2018 have failed because of SEC rules. so the price that occurs in Bitcoin is not influential because of the SEC.

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Regulations that only affect one nation (even tho it is as big as USA) doesn't affect us, it affects the whales. Do you really think the guy with 1000 dollars in bitcoin cares about the regulations, no he doesn't and considering there are few whales and even fewer in USA that means we are talking about a very very very small minority here with SEC. So I feel like SEC has nothing to do with bull being slower.

You know what is causing the bull to be more rare and happens very slowly? The drops that after the bull run. So far anytime bitcoin went up, it plummeted back to very low numbers which is why when bitcoin is going up people are afraid of keep buying and they try to either hold or sell when it goes too much high because they know it may go down very fast if they end up holding a bag.

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SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

The bigger the market the more regulation has to come, it's like the chicken and the egg problem. Normally regulation is way slower than a new technology on their S-curve adoption route. That is why most of them are catching up. But it looks that most countrys will be ready for the next big leg up sometime in 2020/2021.

SEC have claim all investment assets become hype project although with bitcoin, I confused which one feature make bitcoin become hype site because bitcoin never give promise whit how much percent earn every week or every month. Bitcoin is digital assets can be transaction digital currency payment have price depend with supply and demand and not look like hype project investment.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 13, 2019, 06:28:12 AM

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

The bigger the market the more regulation has to come, it's like the chicken and the egg problem. Normally regulation is way slower than a new technology on their S-curve adoption route. That is why most of them are catching up. But it looks that most countrys will be ready for the next big leg up sometime in 2020/2021.

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Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

SEC is part of the major problem in this space, they don't have resolved decision about bitcoin, they know its worth, but keep struggling to keep it under, not many traders still take the SEC serious anymore, bitcoin still doing well without them.

The major hurdle for anyone is to have a proper rules and regulations is that the bitcoin market is a new market and it is simply not that easy to come up with rules that cannot stand the test of time and what the SEC and the other regulatory body is doing right now is that they need to restrict and stop unregulated fund collection in the form of ICO and they are doing their efforts in that and with the ETF the defense they have is that the market is not mature enough to have that right now and somewhat it is a true statement.

Quote from: omone1 on December 06, 2019, 08:44:14 AM

Maybe they are still studying the best time to give an approval about the bitcoin ETF, but let's not bank on them, they really don't represent our best interest.

It is a new market and if you think that a regulatory body must stand according to the best interest of the fund collectors and not able to check on the productivity of the collected funds, then what is the point in making a regulation.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on December 12, 2019, 09:34:50 AM

This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

SEC regulations also make ICO and STO more difficult to do in the United States, many project cases have closed after failing to negotiate with the SEC,
but it does not seem to be causing low bitcoin prices

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on December 12, 2019, 09:34:50 AM

This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

The regulations also send away those away those investor who wanted to continue being anonymous as they don't like to compromise their identities.
Possibilities that investors are afraid to suffer once the aggressions take place with the government agencies. The mindsets that government are mostly
against bitcoin that's why regulations are taking over.

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This is the biggest possible cause that hinders bitcoin bull market to hit the huge market value same as year 2017. Those times had great influence by to many people who've been so eager to experience bitcoin's progress to reach great value as well. Sec regulation was an aggressive implementation, that's why it feared a lot of people who still wanted bitcoin as their mode of investment. But I think if they're complying the certain requirements, I guess they'll make it successfully.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 08, 2019, 04:48:10 AM

Forget about the SEC, there's no hype on SEC anymore so it will not result to a big price movement if there's some significant news that will come.
It's the overall market performance that are struggling so no bull run yet but it doesn't mean bull run would not come, it will come but it might take time where everyone of us does not know when exactly it will happen.

SEC and the Bakkt launch were hype in the past but when Bakkt launched, nothing has been positive happen to this market.

Just think of it as it will give a long term effect but not now when people aren't aggressive in investing again.

Although bitcoin is not hype way for investing and trading but SEC always claim bitcoin part of hype and always reject how bitcoin submission their procedure become digital currency payment, SEC look not happy looking bitcoin have higher price and many investor buy bitcoin as investment assets and use bitcoin for trading, SEC want to close bitcoin and people left bitcoin without give reason.

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