Is St4yInTh3D4rk a hacked or sold account? - page 2.

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Quote from: Avirunes on March 27, 2019, 09:13:39 AM

Quote from: St4yInTh3D4rk on March 27, 2019, 03:54:56 AM

Sorry everyone,as the evidence says I am not the same person who had this account until 2016 and pulled out an exit scam from zonecoin project.

Since I got this account I never involved any shady activity like taking loans or buying or selling anything or any other thing a scammer will do from high ranked accounts.I am just here to contribute to other fellow forum members with my crypto knowledge.I didn't really participated on many signature campaigns other than bustadice since that I am giving my effort to help other people.

I don't know I can be given an excuse for accepting the real fact,let the community decide what will be the result.

Post details how you got the account. I checked all the archive.is seclogs and found only two recorded that I had posted above.

There is no record in seclog between the post made by the last owner and the first post you made after account got under your possession. I am not convinced until proofs are posted publicly.

To be honest,I got this from someone on facebook groups when I was searching for how to make money when I was in need.

Since that I am using this account and changed email and password immediately after I got it from him.

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Quote from: St4yInTh3D4rk on March 27, 2019, 03:54:56 AM

Sorry everyone,as the evidence says I am not the same person who had this account until 2016 and pulled out an exit scam from zonecoin project.

Since I got this account I never involved any shady activity like taking loans or buying or selling anything or any other thing a scammer will do from high ranked accounts.I am just here to contribute to other fellow forum members with my crypto knowledge.I didn't really participated on many signature campaigns other than bustadice since that I am giving my effort to help other people.

I don't know I can be given an excuse for accepting the real fact,let the community decide what will be the result.

Post details how you got the account. I checked all the archive.is seclogs and found only two recorded that I had posted above.

There is no record in seclog between the post made by the last owner and the first post you made after account got under your possession. I am not convinced until proofs are posted publicly.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 27, 2019, 08:38:01 AM

Revised my rating to a neutral as I don't feel the account has/will be used to scam.

Quote from: St4yInTh3D4rk on March 27, 2019, 03:54:56 AM

Sorry everyone,as the evidence says I am not the same person who had this account until 2016 and pulled out an exit scam from zonecoin project.

Since I got this account I never involved any shady activity like taking loans or buying or selling anything or any other thing a scammer will do from high ranked accounts.I am just here to contribute to other fellow forum members with my crypto knowledge.I didn't really participated on many signature campaigns other than bustadice since that I am giving my effort to help other people.

I don't know I can be given an excuse for accepting the real fact,let the community decide what will be the result.

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Thanks yahoo,

I hope other two people who left the negative will take this into consideration.

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Revised my rating to a neutral as I don't feel the account has/will be used to scam.

Quote from: St4yInTh3D4rk on March 27, 2019, 03:54:56 AM

Sorry everyone,as the evidence says I am not the same person who had this account until 2016 and pulled out an exit scam from zonecoin project.

Since I got this account I never involved any shady activity like taking loans or buying or selling anything or any other thing a scammer will do from high ranked accounts.I am just here to contribute to other fellow forum members with my crypto knowledge.I didn't really participated on many signature campaigns other than bustadice since that I am giving my effort to help other people.

I don't know I can be given an excuse for accepting the real fact,let the community decide what will be the result.

Quoting for reference

St4yInTh3D4rk

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"STAY IN THE DARK"

Sorry everyone,as the evidence says I am not the same person who had this account until 2016 and pulled out an exit scam from zonecoin project.

Since I got this account I never involved any shady activity like taking loans or buying or selling anything or any other thing a scammer will do from high ranked accounts.I am just here to contribute to other fellow forum members with my crypto knowledge.I didn't really participated on many signature campaigns other than bustadice since that I am giving my effort to help other people.

I don't know I can be given an excuse for accepting the real fact,let the community decide what will be the result.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on March 27, 2019, 01:59:20 AM

It's quite interesting that St4yInTh3D4rk has not commented on the subject, the silence is deafening.

I know this is probably not a popular stance, but to those of you have tagged the account; would you be willing to revise your feedback to neutral if the new owner comes clean? The only reason I make this suggestion is because there isn't any evidence the new owner intends to scam anyone.

It's very odd that he has not responded. He's been online a few times since my pm.

As fas as my tag, I will remove the tag once he provides a proper response here and it does not involve him scamming to obtain the account. I have not been 1 that tags many account buyers/sellers unless the account bought/sold has a high trust rating. I feel like high trust rated accounts will be used more often for scamming intentions. I cannot speak for any other DT, they will do as they wish.

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It's quite interesting that St4yInTh3D4rk has not commented on the subject, the silence is deafening.

Ironically the old owner of the account appears to have pulled an exit scam, while the new owner has merely participated in sig campaigns since the alleged purchase. The actions of the old owner are far more deserving of red-tags than anything the new owner has done. There was a time when buying an account was not frowned upon the way it is today. That was before my time, so I'm not sure when the transition in philosophy came to pass. Looking back on the activities of the new owner for the past couple of years, I would almost be willing to give him a pass since he hasn't attempted to anything nefarious with the account.

I know this is probably not a popular stance, but to those of you have tagged the account; would you be willing to revise your feedback to neutral if the new owner comes clean? The only reason I make this suggestion is because there isn't any evidence the new owner intends to scam anyone.

@St4yInTh3D4rk, I would encourage you address this situation with honesty. Obviously your silence has not helped you in any way. Your account has been tagged, so you really don't have anything to lose at this point.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 25, 2019, 07:21:12 PM

I have tagged the account in question for now until they respond here and this is all figured out. It's likely the account is bought and in that case more DTs will tag him for account sales. That's why I believe he hasn't responded so far.

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I've left another feedback. Maybe he hasn't much to say to prove it wrong. Tongue

Honestly, I wouldn't trust the old owner either for letting his investors "in the dark" about Zonecoin and failing to pay back his loans: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17025366

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Quote from: 1miau on March 25, 2019, 06:13:44 PM

Today St4yInTh3D4rk was active again but it seems he has no interest to respond here although yahoo62278 sent him a PM...
I'm busy tomorrow and will wait another day before taking any action although I think the case is clear.

I have tagged the account in question for now until they respond here and this is all figured out. It's likely the account is bought and in that case more DTs will tag him for account sales. That's why I believe he hasn't responded so far.

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Alright, that's the same impression I had about social media accounts, especially if the mail address expires, someone can take over all the social media accounts by re-registering the mail and resetting the password via mail. (if they haven't changed hands already before in addition to the Bitcointalk account sale)

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on March 25, 2019, 02:20:35 AM

If it was an account used for promotion of an ICO project it would seem that the social media accounts were also sold along with the forum account. The only thing that makes me hesitant about this is that St4yInTh3D4rk posted what appears to be his real name. Of course with a handle essentially claiming to "stay in the dark" the name Dominic Quick could be a fake. Since the ZONECOIN project was abandoned with the investors left holding the bag, and apparently started out as an exit scam that seems like a safe assumption.

He posted some documents containing his name + some other information here. I don't know in which way these documents are manipulated but in case if it would be necessary to verify it, there's an address of the company he communicated with (goodall barnett james). It's an existing company but I think there's no need in contacting them, I don't know how serious shitcoin scams / failed projects were handled in the past.

Today St4yInTh3D4rk was active again but it seems he has no interest to respond here although yahoo62278 sent him a PM...
I'm busy tomorrow and will wait another day before taking any action although I think the case is clear.

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Quote from: 1miau on March 24, 2019, 03:49:40 PM

BTW what's the stand of everyone here on verifying ownership via Social Media accounts? Too weak?

With some social media platforms you can re-register an username that was already used previously. Like some email providers recycle the old email IDs (i.e. outlook). I wouldn' rely on that at 100%.
Not to mention the possibility of having access to the social media account (why not using a re-registered email?...)

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Quote from: 1miau on March 24, 2019, 03:49:40 PM

Many thanks for your reply! I'm also waiting for some more opinions as well as St4yInTh3D4rk to reply here. There is also a mail address ([email protected]) but the seclog looks like the account was most likely sold together with the mail address.

BTW what's the stand of everyone here on verifying ownership via Social Media accounts? Too weak?

If it was an account used for promotion of an ICO project it would seem that the social media accounts were also sold along with the forum account. The only thing that makes me hesitant about this is that St4yInTh3D4rk posted what appears to be his real name. Of course with a handle essentially claiming to "stay in the dark" the name Dominic Quick could be a fake. Since the ZONECOIN project was abandoned with the investors left holding the bag, and apparently started out as an exit scam that seems like a safe assumption.

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Many thanks for your reply! I'm also waiting for some more opinions as well as St4yInTh3D4rk to reply here. There is also a mail address ([email protected]) but the seclog looks like the account was most likely sold together with the mail address.

BTW what's the stand of everyone here on verifying ownership via Social Media accounts? Too weak?

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Meh.

Interesting. I was kind of involved in Zonecoin way back when and I do remember this user. In my mind there's no doubt that the account did in fact change hands, low effort posts and joining signature campaigns is a telling sign as is the change in his English skills. There was a similar case recently with a VIP user and that account ended up being tagged.

I'll give it a bit for him to reply in this thread but if there's no irrefutable evidence stating that it's still the same user I'll drop a trust rating. Thanks 1miau for bringing this to my attention!

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on March 23, 2019, 09:10:46 PM

There's another large gap in posts from April 2015 to April 2016. I don't see any difference in the quality of English from before and after the older gap, but the gap from 2016 to 2017 does result in a significant change.

Good observation, the first gap seems to be a normal one, also the content is very similar like his utilisation of BTCPOP:
Before the first gap: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11143502
After the first gap: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14607449

And the second gap is where the ownership changed, when he stopped managing the Zonecoin ANN and abandoned the project.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 23, 2019, 08:47:07 PM

I have sent the user in question a message to respond here. Being as he is in the bustadice campaign managed by me, i'm curious to see what comes of this.

I've also sent a PM to Hhampuz.

Quote from: Avirunes on March 23, 2019, 10:33:06 PM

Seclog:

Code:

November 08, 2017, 10:57:12 AM - St4yInTh3D4rk - woke up [1]
November 08, 2017, 12:07:25 PM - St4yInTh3D4rk - password reset via email [2]

[1] http://archive.is/WwcT6#selection-51999.0-52003.10
[2] http://archive.is/WwcT6#selection-51735.0-51739.27

Totally matches with the timeline when new style of posting is noticed.

Definitely, he changed the password before he made his first post after the gap: November 08, 2017, 12:34:28 PM

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Seclog:

Code:

November 08, 2017, 10:57:12 AM - St4yInTh3D4rk - woke up [1]
November 08, 2017, 12:07:25 PM - St4yInTh3D4rk - password reset via email [2]

[1] http://archive.is/WwcT6#selection-51999.0-52003.10
[2] http://archive.is/WwcT6#selection-51735.0-51739.27

Totally matches with the timeline when new style of posting is noticed.

Quote from: 1miau on March 23, 2019, 06:34:38 PM

Suspected first post new owner: November 08, 2017

And, there is no logs of password changes since then. (I mean after the above in log block)

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There's another large gap in posts from April 2015 to April 2016. I don't see any difference in the quality of English from before and after the older gap, but the gap from 2016 to 2017 does result in a significant change. For example:

Quote from: St4yInTh3D4rk on November 08, 2017, 08:51:15 AM

If you are new to trade its is better to trade with bitcoins because altcoins are more unstable than bitcoin if you start with altcoin you may lose your investment.So bitcoin trading is more safer and then don't be in a hurry you need to have patience to be a good trader but you need to improve your skill on decision making because in trading you have to act according to the market price.But before start trading do lot of search or you may be lose your investment.

A native English speaker would never write "bitcoin trading is more safer," regardless of how lazy he was at applying the written language. And the lack of punctuation is another telling sign, although some native English speaker can be quite lazy about punctuation when writing.

The original post definitely seem to come from one who is a native English speaker, or at least one who's been well educated in the use of the language.

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I have sent the user in question a message to respond here. Being as he is in the bustadice campaign managed by me, i'm curious to see what comes of this.

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Quote from: 1miau on March 23, 2019, 06:34:38 PM

- If you are a native English speaker, please have a look at his comments he made before and after the suspected change of owner. The quality decreased a lot in my opinion which is a strong indicator for hacked / sold accounts.

I'm not a native English speaker but the user definitely "unlearned" the language between Sep 2016 - Nov 2017, no question about that. Plus the lack of spaces after punctuation and some other minor details indicate it's a different person.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 23, 2019, 07:00:12 PM

Can ask an authentication post from twitter or reddit

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15948807
Archive http://archive.fo/DQ5Xw

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15847651
Archive http://archive.fo/H1J0i

Good idea but I don't know if that would be enough proof, Social Media accounts can also be hacked or sold. He posted also an ETH-Address here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15630503
http://archive.is/5PJvA#selection-1563.27-1563.69

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