Topic: Is Stake playing fair? What about others? Where is the line of trust here? (Read 540 times)

I dont think the dealer made it by purpose. Everyone can make mistakes. Now, the fairness of the casinos is for another talk...

Agreed.  You just need to look at some of the scammers shilling for them. 

And your previous account is this one, cryptogeniusdice? Same writing quirk like placing space in between punctuation, same issues like mines, sensor, provablyfair-me, betting history?

Stake.com is a full proof Scam website.


Just only boot lickers , and marketing these guys show as their expenditure.

I have won a lot earlier when they had api , as we can verify the bets and store them using various bots.

but eversince they have disabled the api , they are fucking with their customers.


they know people are addicted to their gaming experience.
their support says everything is based on luck, but its not.

Its just science of large numbers.


For eg: when i play mines, at some nonce they can manipulate multiple results giving an individual loss.
you can verify they.

Although they use sensor, to lock in your mouse randomly on loosing tile so that you can click on it .



16^64 is a very large number , and dependencies on accurate tiles is much high.
so they scam their customers.


Also, the third party verification provablyfair.me belongs to them . Meebit

Citing storage space examples they do not save more than 1000 bets in the system , they archive it . thus it becomes for them easy to manipulate the future bets

Discord buy in are damn shitty , all paid actors. they pick up people who are bootlickers of stake.com
Also if you have notice , the RNG tool eddie uses for Raffael picking , they dont disclose the link.

I have put in the post many time from my previous account .

I have signed up on stake since 2018 august , and not even once they have picked me eversince they have started discord challenge.

I have average of 32 tickets per week ever since they started Raffael draw. but not even once i had won.

This is pure gimmick in terms of gambling they are just entertainment site.

So, do not deposit any money on stake.com , you will guarantee loose and there is no coming back from that.


Sport book , they once paid and disabled my sports book for multi .

I do not think it is too easy to trace as there are several methods of withdrawal and there are several types of currencies. I think it could be easier if the site would publish the transaction hash. It is not clear whether the winning has been withdrawn at a time or on several withdrawals.

Are you sure he called his management at least? For me he first didn't notice the 10 card hasn't been scanned, so he retried to scann again the last one (the 3) and after that he realized the previous card hasn't been scanned too. But instead of calling a manager in order to cancel the wrong scan and to throw the 3 out of the game or to cancel the round, he just exchanged the cards for unknown reasons while giving an edge to the house with a 20 instead of a 13.

This video doesn't prove that Stake is a scam. That video is cut from Evolution Gaming's livestream and the dealer is not a cheater also. I was working there and can guarantee that everything is 100% fair. In the video you see that dealer had a hard time scanning the card. He was dealing cards quickly and he immediately didn't notice that the scanner didn't scan them and he accidentally dealt two cards. Then he called the service manager and the service manager told him to scan both cards. Then this dealer made a mistake and put cards wrongly. Believe me, absolutely every player would get a refund for that mistake and the dealer would get a violation for making that mistake. It doesn't stay unpunished. Also, keep in mind that Evolution works 24/7 and sometimes dealers have a hard time keeping awake and alive during night shifts.

That's the go to argument made by people that don't like the ratings. Very weak in my opinion since they have no reason or thought behind it. Same accusations are made in this sub-forum. That guys are on the take. The people using that argument don't realize that there are some honest people in the world that just like to do the right thing.

Hats off.
Now we can come back on topic, that is Stake casino right?

One of the worst things with crypto casinos are fake experts with their rating lists of recommended casinos.
I heard from several trusted sources that you can get very high on those lists if you pay money to grease everything with coins.
That is why I always ignore those lists and people who made them.

Then hats off to SportsBet for that, at least one thing is genuine & it's good to know that.  

I was wrong. The jackpot is genuine. I was searching Sportsbet and the blockchain. Nothing came up so I originally thought it was fake. I kept looking and searched WowPot and then found out it was real. Games Global paid in euros.

So that means there is no proof that's a genuine win then?

That’s Sportsbet press release that just went out. Search WowPot jackpot. None of the articles even mention Sportsbet. The only one that does comes out of Sportsbet. Although the jackpot was hit at Sportsbet. There’s no other way to say it other than Steve is dishonest. I’ve tried to work with him on complaints in the past and he’s the only book I’ve found to be dishonest.

But what about this?

https://news.bitcoin.com/online-casino-player-wins-record-42-million-slots-jackpot-on-sportsbet-io

Was taking it back what I said about SportsBet, you don't "buy" it then?


So this PR is just a PR and not a proof?


We don't owe each other anything and let's leave it that way.

Sportsbet didn’t pay a thing. It’s not on the blockchain. Steve said Sportsbook paid and there’s a picture of a check where it infers Sportsbet paid but that’s untrue. Coins Global paid in Euros. It’s their game. A progressive jackpot where many casinos are involved.

It’s similar to going into a store and buying a lotto ticket. You got the ticket from the store but the store doesn’t pay the winnings.

You really enjoy going off-topic with this one dont you?
I can do it if I want, or if I am paid to do it, but you can do some work yourself or ask Sportsbet.
It is not that hard to use blockchain explorer and find large transactions.

I haven’t been here in this section long so I’m going from first glance. You guys are doing a great job of sorting out what is and what isn’t a scam.

What I see in other parts of the forum is posters bowing down to the big books. No one knows who’s at fault in this blackjack case. What we do know is that neither Stake or Sportsbook are completely honest and they get forum protection. We have to put more pressure on the big casinos when they don’t pay and those two have been guilty numerous times.

The casinos  can’t be looking over KYC for months. That’s unacceptable but some books get a pass on it and others don’t.

edit - Sportsbet is now doing press releases of the jackpot. Smart move on their part.

What is the transaction then? Care to "easily" show it here?

What is this have to do with Stake casino?
I dont know why you would doubt that someone won this amount.
It was big time player who won this money and you can easily check blockchain transaction as proof,
and I think that game Wheel of Wishes is from third party partner Microgaming, not exclusive to any single casino.

Do what?  
It is not actually that hard to click and send merit to anyone if you want.
You should do it more often.

I've been looking more in to that jackpot because it didn't add up. I was searching Sportsbet and came up with nothing. Steve said the Sportsbet.io paid the player. Then I started searching WowPot and found a winner of Microgaming's WowPot on December 20. It's a progressive jackpot seeded with $2m Euros. I don't know how many casinos are paying in to it. I'm more of a sportsbook guy than casino.

https://www.gamingintelligence.com/products/casino/185955-games-global-pays-out-record-e38-5-million-through-wowpot-jackpot/

https://www.casinolistings.com/jackpots/microgaming/wow-pot-jackpot

Sheep mentality along with wanting to be a part of the "cool kids". Off topic but I like this sub-forum. Smart people with independent thought helping other posters.

Not surprised.
Have you seen how many "merits" that thread received?



Who are all these users who blidnly do that?

 

Not only is there not a lot of media on the Sportsbet case but this player hit the jackpot on Dec. 20 and Steve says he's already been paid his winnings of $42m before New Year's. It's also convenient that it was taped on video. I'm sure that there are guys better than I am at tracking transactions but I don't see a transaction of $42m worth of USDT being transferred in December.

Do you think all the participants are using this forum? If not then how the winner will be forum users? And if you mean known of forum users then I am at the same point that they might not be a known person of any reputed forum members. And why the site will take initiative while their are a lots of media?

What other players who don't record their gameplay can do at such incidents? Their word against Stake/Operator - do you believe they would get a refund? 

The dealer doesn't need to have intentionally cheated for scamming the customers. I mean, if the casino asked him to not cancel the round and to not call a manager for fixing the mistake in such situation, that is to say when the missing scan benefits the house, it would be an obvious scam, because here the dealer had 13 and not 20. So as you say all the players of the table should be fairly refunded and receive due apologizes or an extra compensation at least.

Correct. You don't even need influencers. Many newspapers would love an article like this. Sportsbet is smart enough to get in touch with them if it were real. This is great advertising and it's cheap. For Sportsbet's sake, hopefully someone buys in to the story and it gets spread. I don't think many credible sources would publish this.




It's the same with casinos. The bigger the casino, the bigger the chance they are cheating. It's easy to get away with in Curacao and Costa Rica. No one is going to check on rigged contests, etc.

I didnt have any bad experience with Stake so far, but I heard few people who complained how they are doing business.

Ask him if card dealers are making mistakes in favor of players?  
I dont think so.

There is no way we can prove that, but they can post more information and be more transparent how they are picking the all the winners.
I dont want to believe that everything they are doing is fake, but I wont exclude the possibility that this is happening with some casinos.

More people are famous and rich there is bigger chance they are cheating.
Simple math.

Ahh... now I see your point. You're arguing that if someone win USD 42M, the news will be all over the net, with "reaction video" in youtube, instagram feeds with lots of unnecessary emoji, etc. because the platform [on this case, sportsbet] will most likely use that as publication and this one is relatively silent? But wouldn't that argument also open to a possibility that they didn't hire these influencers for publication [and those influencers will not post if they're not incentivized] and thus their market growth is organic?

You won't see fake jackpot claims out of BetFair, Will Hill, Paddy Power, Bet365, etc. But if someone does hit for $42m, they will be using that as a promo and it'll be out there outside of their own social media. The fake jack pots and contests are common with books in Costa Rica and Curacao.  A lot of sportsbooks such as Sportsbet run a shell corporation in Curacao with the office location elsewhere although there are some with huge offices in Costa Rica. This doesn't mean that Sportsbet is cheating players, but the $42m jackpot is tough to buy.



 

Wish I could merit you for this post, but don't have more merits to spend, but you're spot on.

Lol, but my question is if they really cheat then why it is in a live game? Where all the players can see what's going on. And also here reputation costs much more than any of the funds on the table for sure.

I am still thinking it could be a mistake by the dealer. But if it raise more in the future then yeah ofcource something wrong is happening.

It's also uploaded in their instagram and facebook [might need to log in to watch], I don't think they have a dedicated account for their platform on tiktok and youtube [the youtube is for... live league], so I think it's covered in most of the social media that they own.

I think the blackjack dealer situation is a nonsense discussion.
If you want to cheat you are hiding what you are doing and not do it in plain sight.  Also it's such a small amount on the table, this would NEVER make any sense.
I hope all people involved have been refunded and granted some sort of compensation.

Look at his face, he is confused as fxxk. Maybe he is stoned or something and made an obvious mistake. There is no need to call this a scam attempt or what not.

About the stake promos it's another story.

Twitter giveaways are super strange, that is true. Same with the drake stream giveaway which is ab obvious attempt to collect phone number, not more and not less. About the telegram drops, I think they are mostly legit but what they did yet again on the drake stream where all drops where available for hours and suddenly they were all claimed in the same minute, makes no sense.

This is not the first time that Eddies misconduct has been highlighted and ignored by regulators and the wider gambling community who should be boycotting Stake at this point. There have been several reports of various scams and misconducts by Stake that everyone tends to ignore...We had the VPN scandal, where Eddie encouraged players and influencers from banned jurisdictions to use a VPN to bypass the limitations. There have been several suspiciously timed phishing attacks. Not to mention account freezes and KYC issues which have either taken months to resolve, required ridiculous requirements to complete, or are simply never resolved. All of these can be found throughout the scam accusations board... And now this.....


...Which comes as no surprise. Even Sportsbet.io is using an apparent "$42 million jackpot win" in the gambling board as advertisement. These fake promotions to lure in gamblers are common not just with Stake, and it's not surprising that stake is partaking in the same practice given past reports and misconduct by its administration.

Despite all of this, it's likely that no further investigation or rightful prosecution will come to either of these platforms instead, people will forget their misconduct and keep their profit machines running.

I'm not sure what to make of the Stake accusation. If the dealer intentionally cheated, then he has to have incentive. Did he receive a % of table loss instead of flat salary? For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. There are a lot of casinos that do this sort of thing with fake raflles and contests that aren't transparent. I never get into contests that aren't transparent.

BetOnLine is very big but they've been accused of crooked stuff too https://youtu.be/7PGasgpAJ1o?si=3UoTG9MYPm8ZR5qe which is part of the reason why I believe it can happen to all.

Yes, there is a way to verify and prove that giveaways are genuine and honest, that happen to also known as doxxing, where the winner provides their details and anyone curious can stuck their nose into the details and verify whether they're a real citizen or not, and/or if they're one of the casino's employee itself. Understandably, it's extremely counterproductive and non-ethical that no casino would want to do so. Thus, the easier way to draw a line of trust here, with "trust" as the keyword, is their reputation.

That's not a "human error", period.

The video is clearly just a human error since the 3 card that swap to K are both exposed already. But it’s interesting to see if this kind of error has an underlying reason since I play on exclusive blackjack of Stake and the result is always in favor with the house. It’s very hard to win against the, compared to the regular table.

This dealer is probably have cheat tricks like this but have an error for the execution since the card that he swap is already revealed. More importantly he is already giving cards for the hit which means he knew exactly what’s the card that he get before he swap. This video is really trivial. Definitely human error but probably they are cheating in some form that execute improperly.

Either the dealer was high, or he has done it intentionally to make everyone lose their bets. It doesn't look like a mistake though. In the second video, they have changed the result despite knowing that what's going on. Weren't those bets voided by Stake team?

Based on the terms they will void such bets


And based on terms 8.4, Stake team will deduct the amount which will be credited to user account for human error or technical error. There is no clause in the terms which clarifies the situation what has happened in the BlackJack rounds of those videos. Those were human error and users have lost their bets for this. Some users would have won their bets if the mistake wasn't made by the dealer.

Lol, I hope that dealer got fired as this is the most obvious cheat I have ever seen in a Blackjack game. Just stealing a high card from a user and giving him a 3 instead. I think for giveaways, it is not easy to make sure that it is 100% honest and transparent.

if you are referring to some specific game play I agree with you. These are clearly wrong and casino should adopt some solution for this (are you sure they have refused payout or better, what says their ToS for such cases?!)
Moreover I will not blame the casino owner but game provider since this is their fault... I don't think a billionaire companies can growth their business with such low profile tricks... they can rob some penny nothing real.

What about this?

https://twitter.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

and this?

https://twitter.com/XXJEREMYXX445/status/1744043097221460304

How many of these "mistakes" are going to be taken as genuine mistakes and not intentional way of stealing funds?

I don't think there is a "realistic" way to certify the existence of 50 thousand people online participating in a free contest. Every time, for every giveaway.
A good reference can be given by "real users" who actually "win" prizes, likewise people posting here on forum from ranked accounts.

Regarding sports betting, providers carry out checks. this change it could be just simply from a review (or the system incorrectly) provided one value rather than another...

Adding one more, this time it's a sports bet:

https://x.com/Treestreets_/status/1744193025570734316?s=20

Edit Jan 9:

Just mentioning you can also see the scam on Youtube in case it's easier for you than Twitter and it's also showing how many views it had a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_wKX-aYqY

Firstly - a scam in live camera in front of everyone!

https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes". WTF?!

 

Secondly,

Read what one of their users had to say:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/84740-stake-in-2024-are-you-in-or-out/?do=findComment&comment=1880224


Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

Also when you see with their competitor a thread like this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unreal-sportsbetio-pays-out-a-42000000-usdt-casino-win-5480517

How can you verify that "winner" is not a shill account. an account created by the site itself?

Where is the line of trust here?

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!