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There you are again cherry picking timelines. I don't agree that inflation is a problem. But then, I don't care about the price... much.

If you prefer playing jojo for a few decades then that's your thing. An advantage for you in this is that you don't care about the price Roll Eyes

As a human being we tend to loose interest if we see an investement not going anywhere within 2 or 3 years.

IMO a coin needs to be fair with the initial distribution and that should take at least 1 year so everyone has a chance to get in. After year 2 or 3 the inflation should dramatically decrease so profit becomes possible and it can be used to store value, but maybe that's just me, i don't know Roll Eyes

I think it would come in handy to be able to store value in coins but if you say that's a thing you don't need, ok, then that's your thing.

Two to three years is reasonable. The average price for 2014 (to use your timeline) was about 500. If you used dollar cost averaging like everyone recommends, you should double (or more) that in that amount of time.

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Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 01:02:53 AM

There you are again cherry picking timelines. I don't agree that inflation is a problem. But then, I don't care about the price... much.

If you prefer playing jojo for a few decades then that's your thing. An advantage for you in this is that you don't care about the price Roll Eyes

As a human being we tend to loose interest if we see an investement not going anywhere within 2 or 3 years.

IMO a coin needs to be fair with the initial distribution and that should take at least 1 year so everyone has a chance to get in. After year 2 or 3 the inflation should dramatically decrease so profit becomes possible and it can be used to store value, but maybe that's just me, i don't know Roll Eyes

I think it would come in handy to be able to store value in coins but if you say that's a thing you don't need, ok, then that's your thing.

Trading the volatile bitcoin is good fun for sure. Right now the market has just become pretty unpredictable which makes it difficult.

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That's what I'm saying. They don't offer anything Bitcoin doesn't have now and that's why they failed and became pump and dump bait. That's why Bitcoin is still big daddy.

To get beck to your market analysis, it seems that almost everything is down investment-wise. January and August are usually bad months anyway.

Yes they do offer something BTC doesn't: low inflation - which was the point of failure in bitcoin

You either have inflation or premine. Pick. Otherwise you have no distribution model.

Of course you have inital inflation but in a good coin that's done after 1 or 2 years. Bitcoin wants to take 2 decades which turns out to be problematic.

There you are again cherry picking timelines. I don't agree that inflation is a problem. But then, I don't care about the price... much.

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Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:30:47 AM

Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:28:13 AM

That's what I'm saying. They don't offer anything Bitcoin doesn't have now and that's why they failed and became pump and dump bait. That's why Bitcoin is still big daddy.

To get beck to your market analysis, it seems that almost everything is down investment-wise. January and August are usually bad months anyway.

Yes they do offer something BTC doesn't: low inflation - which was the point of failure in bitcoin

You either have inflation or premine. Pick. Otherwise you have no distribution model.

Of course you have inital inflation but in a good coin that's done after 1 or 2 years. Bitcoin wants to take 2 decades which turns out to be problematic.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:30:47 AM

Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:28:13 AM

That's what I'm saying. They don't offer anything Bitcoin doesn't have now and that's why they failed and became pump and dump bait. That's why Bitcoin is still big daddy.

To get beck to your market analysis, it seems that almost everything is down investment-wise. January and August are usually bad months anyway.

Yes they do offer something BTC doesn't: low inflation - which was the point of failure in bitcoin

You either have inflation or premine. Pick. Otherwise you have no distribution model.

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Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:28:13 AM

That's what I'm saying. They don't offer anything Bitcoin doesn't have now and that's why they failed and became pump and dump bait. That's why Bitcoin is still big daddy.

To get beck to your market analysis, it seems that almost everything is down investment-wise. January and August are usually bad months anyway.

Yes they do offer something BTC doesn't: low inflation - which was the point of failure in bitcoin

Pump and dump is bitcoin too, so again no argument there.

There are a hand full of coins that aren't even down - these are the ones you should be looking at. But why do i even tell you that?

Low inflation coins have proven to hold their value (no surprise there) and they have also shown to have shorter bearmarkets (no surprise again) and they are also much less volatile (maybe a little surprise but when you think about it, it's not a surprise)

Inflation is good for nothing. There is nothing that can justify the high inflation bitcoin has. So i think bitcoin could very well decline a lot more - after all that's the effect you get from the inflation: constant downward pressure.
It jumps up and down like a fucking jojo.

A currency should be able to hold the value - if it can't hold value it's worth nothing.

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Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 09, 2015, 12:10:37 AM

Quak? Are you f**** serious?
Who are your , kermit the frog?

lol, no i'm not Max Kiss

Was just an example. I will not tell you all good coins, no worries.

QRK is rising nicely though.

yeah , nicely ...from losing 30000% against btc , right?
with kolin on board , to the moon

Quark is still up 10-fold from his pre-bubble-value. It rose many hundred fold and was much more stable and found it's floor much sooner than bitcoin.
It's all how you look at it. How can something loose 30000%? You're not even making sense.

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The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation.

Less inflation, so how will it be distributed? Nobody will have any coin to spend. Merchants will have to wait many years for distribution. Or you premine and we already know how that fails.

Distribution already happened. These coins are all around for years now. They are dirt cheap. This is pretty much the last chance to accumulate some of them on ground floor.

The same for Bitcoin. No advantage there. IXC and Quark have a very small user base. You can premine a coin and do the same thing. You can pay the top 5 mining pools to MM your clone and be off and running.

Well bitcoin has its own problems. No difference there. When it started almost nobody was around and it had a very small userbase too. So that's no argument there. In fact these coins have a larger userbase than bitcoin had when it started.

If you don't like Ix take Ioc

I think the market will decide what's good and what's not.

That's what I'm saying. They don't offer anything Bitcoin doesn't have now and that's why they failed and became pump and dump bait. That's why Bitcoin is still big daddy.

To get beck to your market analysis, it seems that almost everything is down investment-wise. January and August are usually bad months anyway.

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Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:18:31 AM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:09:19 AM

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The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation.

Less inflation, so how will it be distributed? Nobody will have any coin to spend. Merchants will have to wait many years for distribution. Or you premine and we already know how that fails.

Distribution already happened. These coins are all around for years now. They are dirt cheap. This is pretty much the last chance to accumulate some of them on ground floor.

The same for Bitcoin. No advantage there. IXC and Quark have a very small user base. You can premine a coin and do the same thing. You can pay the top 5 mining pools to MM your clone and be off and running.

Well bitcoin has its own problems. No difference there. When it started almost nobody was around and it had a very small userbase too. So that's no argument there. In fact these coins have a larger userbase than bitcoin had when it started.

If you don't like Ix take Ioc

I think the market will decide what's good and what's not. Maybe merged mined coins with btc aren't even interesting.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:09:19 AM

Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:08:09 AM

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The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation.

Less inflation, so how will it be distributed? Nobody will have any coin to spend. Merchants will have to wait many years for distribution. Or you premine and we already know how that fails.

Distribution already happened. These coins are all around for years now. They are dirt cheap. This is pretty much the last chance to accumulate some of them on ground floor.

The same for Bitcoin. No advantage there. IXC and Quark have a very small user base. You can premine a coin and do the same thing. You can pay the top 5 mining pools to MM your clone and be off and running.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:13:21 AM

Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 09, 2015, 12:10:37 AM

Quak? Are you f**** serious?
Who are your , kermit the frog?

lol, no i'm not Max Kiss

Was just an example. I will not tell you all good coins, no worries.

QRK is rising nicely though.

yeah , nicely ...from losing 30000% against btc , right?
with kolin on board , to the moon

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Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 09, 2015, 12:10:37 AM

Quak? Are you f**** serious?
Who are your , kermit the frog?

lol, no i'm not Max Kiss

Was just an example. I will not tell you all good coins, no worries.

QRK is rising nicely though.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 09, 2015, 12:04:38 AM

the volatility is ridiculous!

Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

Pick a coin and I will tell you how it will fail.

Just wait. Bitcoin already failed. Alts going to boom this year.

What about IXC for example? Or Quark? Just two possible examples.
If its not them it'll be another one.
There's enough different approaches now. I lost faith in inflation-coins.

Quak? Are you f**** serious?
Who are your , kermit the frog?

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Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:08:09 AM

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The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation.

Less inflation, so how will it be distributed? Nobody will have any coin to spend. Merchants will have to wait many years for distribution. Or you premine and we already know how that fails.

Distribution already happened. These coins are all around for years now. They are dirt cheap. This is pretty much the last chance to accumulate some of them on ground floor.

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The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation.

Less inflation, so how will it be distributed? Nobody will have any coin to spend. Merchants will have to wait many years for distribution. Or you premine and we already know how that fails.

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the volatility is ridiculous!

Quote from: cbeast on January 09, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

Pick a coin and I will tell you how it will fail.

Just wait. Bitcoin already failed. Alts going to boom this year.

What about IXC for example? Or Quark? Just two possible examples.
If its not them it'll be another one.
There's enough different approaches now. I lost faith in inflation-coins.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 08, 2015, 11:58:20 PM

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You can cherry pick arbitrary timelines, but Bitcoin isn't a per annum.

Dude, longest bearmarket in bitcoin history and the master-trend on logarythmic scale since 2009 is broken.
Just get it: there is no exponential growth here. Could very well dump back to 100$

OK so you admit to believing in superstitious trends. Good for you. I don't share your faith. I believe in technology and human foibles. Fear may have the upper hand at the moment, but greed and technology ALWAYS win.

Few days ago this trendline was your main marketing-pitch now it's 'supersticious'. lmao!

It's a general rule of thumb, not a scientific model. I don't see it as 'broken' because anomalous events happen. The exponential trendline is a generalization to the adoption of technologies, not a day trading tool. Even if it drops to $100, that will only change the distribution, not the technology. Personally, I would like to see an altcoin take point for awhile so I can laugh at their failure to secure every aspect of financial transactions.

The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation. You're not going to laugh so much because once it surpasses bitcoin that's it for the ole BTC.

Pick a coin and I will tell you how it will fail.

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I think bitcoin is dying slowly.

Because it's less than a third of its top price? Years ago it dropped to a sixteenth of its top price and it's still going strong.

the difference then was that people only lost a few millions on that value , not where talking billions.

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Quote from: cbeast on January 08, 2015, 11:55:54 PM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 08, 2015, 11:48:27 PM

Quote from: cbeast on January 08, 2015, 11:44:00 PM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 08, 2015, 11:40:11 PM

Quote from: cbeast on January 08, 2015, 11:38:12 PM

You can cherry pick arbitrary timelines, but Bitcoin isn't a per annum.

Dude, longest bearmarket in bitcoin history and the master-trend on logarythmic scale since 2009 is broken.
Just get it: there is no exponential growth here. Could very well dump back to 100$

OK so you admit to believing in superstitious trends. Good for you. I don't share your faith. I believe in technology and human foibles. Fear may have the upper hand at the moment, but greed and technology ALWAYS win.

Few days ago this trendline was your main marketing-pitch now it's 'supersticious'. lmao!

It's a general rule of thumb, not a scientific model. I don't see it as 'broken' because anomalous events happen. The exponential trendline is a generalization to the adoption of technologies, not a day trading tool. Even if it drops to $100, that will only change the distribution, not the technology. Personally, I would like to see an altcoin take point for awhile so I can laugh at their failure to secure every aspect of financial transactions.

The alt that takes over will be an advanced clone of bitcoin with less inflation. You're not going to laugh so much because once it surpasses bitcoin that's it for the ole BTC.

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Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 08, 2015, 11:48:27 PM

Quote from: cbeast on January 08, 2015, 11:44:00 PM

Quote from: Pecunia non olet on January 08, 2015, 11:40:11 PM

Quote from: cbeast on January 08, 2015, 11:38:12 PM

You can cherry pick arbitrary timelines, but Bitcoin isn't a per annum.

Dude, longest bearmarket in bitcoin history and the master-trend on logarythmic scale since 2009 is broken.
Just get it: there is no exponential growth here. Could very well dump back to 100$

OK so you admit to believing in superstitious trends. Good for you. I don't share your faith. I believe in technology and human foibles. Fear may have the upper hand at the moment, but greed and technology ALWAYS win.

Few days ago this trendline was your main marketing-pitch now it's 'supersticious'. lmao!

It's a general rule of thumb, not a scientific model. I don't see it as 'broken' because anomalous events happen. The exponential trendline is a generalization to the adoption of technologies, not a day trading tool. Even if it drops to $100, that will only change the distribution, not the technology. Personally, I would like to see an altcoin take point for awhile so I can laugh at their failure to secure every aspect of financial transactions.

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