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Quote from: pattu1 on March 18, 2015, 08:51:40 PM

Quote from: Lauda on March 18, 2015, 08:47:59 AM

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

Europe should probably be more open to immigration.
Having a fertility rate of more than 2 is not the only solution.

But for that, xenophobia has to be overcome.

More open? Europe is already pretty open to immigration. Any EU member can freely move around anywhere they want and it's not hard for people to emigrate from countries that fall outside of Europe either.

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Quote from: pattu1 on March 18, 2015, 08:51:40 PM

Quote from: Lauda on March 18, 2015, 08:47:59 AM

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

Europe should probably be more open to immigration.
Having a fertility rate of more than 2 is not the only solution.

But for that, xenophobia has to be overcome.

Pretty soon telomerase (also spelled telomerease) will be developed and the fertility rate won't matter any more because nobody will die.

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I hope the e.u dies. Europe should be countries that have their own sovereignty not one nation.

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I do agree that the European Union is facing many challenges right now, but most of that can be solved.

IMO the biggest problem with the EU is that we have the Euro, but every country in the Eurozone still makes their own budget.

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I think the EU is very similar to the USA sadly.. The Euro currency, states divided under the same flag, I don't think anything good will come from this. We don't get to vote, the last thing we voted about was wether or not to join the Euro (if you look past the elections) which is over 10 years ago now.

I think the EU was created to have a long cancer death instead of a rapid economic collapse (which the cancer will lead to either way).

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Quote from: Lauda on March 18, 2015, 08:47:59 AM

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

Europe should probably be more open to immigration.
Having a fertility rate of more than 2 is not the only solution.

But for that, xenophobia has to be overcome.

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 18, 2015, 09:09:29 AM

Quote from: Lauda on March 18, 2015, 08:47:59 AM

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

Oh! The overpopulation myth again

. That's cute.

How is it a myth. Once we start lacking resources you will see. The planet can only holds a certain number of people, is it not so?
This seems like a bit off-topic though.
Do you feel like there is or isn't enough people on the planet?

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Quote from: Lauda on March 18, 2015, 08:47:59 AM

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

Oh! The overpopulation myth again

. That's cute.

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Quote from: NUFCrichard on March 16, 2015, 05:47:06 AM

The core of the EU is still working well together and prospering.
Germany, France, Holland, Austria, all are doing pretty well economically and lets not forget that several major wars were fought between these countries not long ago, whereas that seems unthinkable at the moment.

The peripherals might start to leave soon in my opinion. Iceland doesn't want to join anymore, the UK will probably leave and Greece, Portugal and Spain all have enough problems with the Euro that they might leave at some point.
I don't think the EU will die, but I think it might shrink back to it's core, much like the roman empire once did without collapsing

The south countries will probably create their own union and currency or something, since they are feed up with being troika slaves.

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Quote from: Chef Ramsay on March 15, 2015, 09:23:50 PM

Most critical is the demographic crisis. For a nation to survive, its women must produce on average 2.1 children. Europe has not seen that high a fertility rate in 40 years. Today, it is down to 1.6 children.

Europeans are an aging, shrinking, disappearing, dying race.

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

This post is useless in my opinion. The EU isn't doing great, that's correct, but who is? The US isn't either. Just because of the recent spike in the value of $ doesn't mean that it will stay that way and that things are well.
The world has yet to recover from the financial situation that it is in.

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The European Union was dead before it started. Just because a bunch of leaders from different countries got together to make and accept something like the European Union, doesn't mean that the people accept it.

People in Europe generally haven't had life quite as easy as those in America. Because of this, they are a bit more aware of the goofy things their politically inclined leaders do.

The people might want things to be better. They might wish and hope that their leaders could do things right. But their experiences all the way back to WWI times show them that their leaders are close to crazy.

If the EU had worked and had showed signs of great improvement in foundational quality of life, the people might have welcomed it. But because of the threats and potential threats caused by the EU, most of the people are against it, and entirely dissatisfied with their leaders.

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Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 18, 2015, 07:46:30 AM

Not just that, it is man's natural state. Laws/Rules are of course necessary for a functioning society wether it be cultural, voluntary or compelled. I do not know where capitalism will end up, it's still here in some shattered remnant and continues to to create innovation despite the onslaught against it during the last century.

As you said it's man's natural state. Until today only capitalism been able to give some sort of vision of the future and the feeling of progress. I think (besides the lack of basic maths) the lack of vision of the future was one of the main reasons of the socialist economy.

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 18, 2015, 07:42:12 AM

Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 09:15:40 PM

It's capitalism that's dying, the collapse of the EU is just a symptom.

You see, my political commissar in the army told me the same stuff twenty some years ago. As I see capitalism is still here but our glorious socialism went down the drain. Even the Chinese hard-liners switched to some sort of capitalism. Capitalism most likely will transform over the time to a more sustainable hopefully more localized form but that will be still capitalism, as capitalism is the natural way for economy.

Not just that, it is man's natural state. Laws/Rules are of course necessary for a functioning society wether it be cultural, voluntary or compelled. I do not know where capitalism will end up, it's still here in some shattered remnant and continues to to create innovation despite the onslaught against it during the last century.

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 09:15:40 PM

It's capitalism that's dying, the collapse of the EU is just a symptom.

You see, my political commissar in the army told me the same stuff twenty some years ago. As I see capitalism is still here but our glorious socialism went down the drain. Even the Chinese hard-liners switched to some sort of capitalism. Capitalism most likely will transform over the time to a more sustainable hopefully more localized form but that will be still capitalism, as capitalism is the natural way for economy.

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Quote from: medUSA on March 18, 2015, 03:58:14 AM

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM

I don't know about Scandinavia, but the UK economy is like the least dirty shirt in a pile of laundry. 'Far better' would be too strong a word IMO. It has one of the highest level of consumer (and government) debt in the world.

I would say "far better" is not too strong compared to Greece and Spain. The debt and budget deficit is nothing to be proud of, unemployment fell to 5.8% which is very good by EU standards. We had a close call with the referendum, but that's behind us now.

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM

At least the government has some control of it's currency.

Not giving up the British Pound is the best move ever, sterling is still one of strongest currency in the world.

I agree, many people I talk to LOVE the euro because it's convenient. It's crazy. They will readily admit to knowing nothing about economics but relentlessly defend the euro.

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Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM

I don't know about Scandinavia, but the UK economy is like the least dirty shirt in a pile of laundry. 'Far better' would be too strong a word IMO. It has one of the highest level of consumer (and government) debt in the world.

I would say "far better" is not too strong compared to Greece and Spain. The debt and budget deficit is nothing to be proud of, unemployment fell to 5.8% which is very good by EU standards. We had a close call with the referendum, but that's behind us now.

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM

At least the government has some control of it's currency.

Not giving up the British Pound is the best move ever, sterling is still one of strongest currency in the world.

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Quote from: Furio on March 18, 2015, 02:10:30 AM

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Quote from: Furio on March 17, 2015, 09:43:46 AM

Dead before it even started, wait, you can all borrow money at rates that aren't applicable to you state's balance, yet who cares, every citizin will have to pay for every mismaneged country, the whole idea was ridiculous and a farce, look at Scandinavia and UK go, they didn't need the Euro, yet their economy is far better....

I don't know about Scandinavia, but the UK economy is like the least dirty shirt in a pile of laundry. 'Far better' would be too strong a word IMO. It has one of the highest level of consumer (and government) debt in the world. At least the government has some control of it's currency.

Scandinavia is a very big area my friend, don't know which COUNTRY you referring to, but several countries in Scandinavia do FAR better then most countries in the EU, it's a fact, not really up for debate. Then there's the social programme's, which are far more sophisticated and expensive, yet they still have a better economy....

When I said I don't know, I meant I have no intimate knowledge of those economies. But I am skeptical of Norway's long term prospects when their oil wells run low.

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Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on March 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM

Quote from: Furio on March 17, 2015, 09:43:46 AM

Dead before it even started, wait, you can all borrow money at rates that aren't applicable to you state's balance, yet who cares, every citizin will have to pay for every mismaneged country, the whole idea was ridiculous and a farce, look at Scandinavia and UK go, they didn't need the Euro, yet their economy is far better....

I don't know about Scandinavia, but the UK economy is like the least dirty shirt in a pile of laundry. 'Far better' would be too strong a word IMO. It has one of the highest level of consumer (and government) debt in the world. At least the government has some control of it's currency.

Scandinavia is a very big area my friend, don't know which COUNTRY you referring to, but several countries in Scandinavia do FAR better then most countries in the EU, it's a fact, not really up for debate. Then there's the social programme's, which are far more sophisticated and expensive, yet they still have a better economy....

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 09:15:40 PM

It's capitalism that's dying, the collapse of the EU is just a symptom.

Evil capitalists using all that free market created by the European Parliment. Roll Eyes

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It's capitalism that's dying, the collapse of the EU is just a symptom.

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