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Quote from: majakn on November 20, 2014, 03:26:45 AM

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Quote from: cryptofan5 on July 06, 2014, 10:45:42 PM

US press is by no means free. Look at Fox or CNN: they would show only things which are permitted/approved by the government.

This is not at all true. How do you think Edward Snowden was able to leak all of our NSA secrets? How do you think a number of government whistle-blowers that the Obama administration hates were able to leak their information?

they don't leak their information to Fox and CNN

Both fox news and CNN have reported heavily on the snowden leaks. Snowden has leaked the NSA secrets to the Washington Post likely because of it's previous work (likely the watergate scandal).

Both news services have been highly critical of the NSA spying programs

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 11, 2014, 09:55:04 PM

Quote from: cryptofan5 on July 06, 2014, 10:45:42 PM

US press is by no means free. Look at Fox or CNN: they would show only things which are permitted/approved by the government.

This is not at all true. How do you think Edward Snowden was able to leak all of our NSA secrets? How do you think a number of government whistle-blowers that the Obama administration hates were able to leak their information?

they don't leak their information to Fox and CNN

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Quote from: cryptofan5 on July 06, 2014, 10:45:42 PM

US press is by no means free. Look at Fox or CNN: they would show only things which are permitted/approved by the government.

This is not at all true. How do you think Edward Snowden was able to leak all of our NSA secrets? How do you think a number of government whistle-blowers that the Obama administration hates were able to leak their information?

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Quote from: MisterDD on July 10, 2014, 02:41:19 AM

This is great post.
I think that same situation is in whole world.
We actually live in masked feudalism, where big "fishes" want to have regular people under control.
Same is for press.
First we need to live in free society where money will not be on the first place, then press will have same opportunity to be free.
That is my opinion.

You are just being enlightened about the fact that power always finds a way to rest its head. To dramatize this as a form of feudalism reeks of 1st world dramatism.

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This is great post.
I think that same situation is in whole world.
We actually live in masked feudalism, where big "fishes" want to have regular people under control.
Same is for press.
First we need to live in free society where money will not be on the first place, then press will have same opportunity to be free.
That is my opinion.

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Quote from: ALToids on July 07, 2014, 05:52:33 AM

Quote from: CryptInvest on July 07, 2014, 02:26:35 AM

I am from Russia. I really still a free press in America or not. I see that in spite of the enormous natural wealth for ordinary people we live in poverty. This is because of the terrible corruption and oligarchy. And in America, if a lot of work actually higher standard of living.

Don't worry, the career politicians in the US seem to be hellbent on creating the very same corrupt oligarchy in this country. Get the simple people to squabble with each other over topics like gay marriage while they enslave the populace though a lifetime of debt.

Most politicians at least claim to support the middle class in that they either want to give the middle class other people's money or want to create more opportunities for them.

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Quote from: CryptInvest on July 07, 2014, 02:26:35 AM

I am from Russia. I really still a free press in America or not. I see that in spite of the enormous natural wealth for ordinary people we live in poverty. This is because of the terrible corruption and oligarchy. And in America, if a lot of work actually higher standard of living.

Don't worry, the career politicians in the US seem to be hellbent on creating the very same corrupt oligarchy in this country. Get the simple people to squabble with each other over topics like gay marriage while they enslave the populace though a lifetime of debt.

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I am from Russia. I really still a free press in America or not. I see that in spite of the enormous natural wealth for ordinary people we live in poverty. This is because of the terrible corruption and oligarchy. And in America, if a lot of work actually higher standard of living.

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US press is by no means free. Look at Fox or CNN: they would show only things which are permitted/approved by the government.

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Quote from: Kluge on July 06, 2014, 01:43:02 AM

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Quote from: Kluge on June 30, 2014, 11:34:25 PM

Persecution and prosecution of journalists in the US over the past few years has gone beyond anything in my lifetime, but Obama's a lame duck. Since they're largely administrative (DoJ, admin lapdog) decisions, it's kind of pointless to talk about it except maybe to bring awareness to it and see what 2016 pres. candidates say.

Not to mention censorship of the NYT.

This type of censorship is done at the editor/owner level. It is not done by the hand of the government.

I'd guess he was referencing James Risen who works @ NYT, though prosecution was entirely for content in a separate book, I think (not entirely sure on that). Either way, depending on the kind of articles censored, very possible it's a chilling effect and thus the result of government heavy-handedness with journalists & whistleblowers over the past few years.

The media has already solved the James Risen problem, as maybe a year or so ago I stumbled across a link on NBC news that directs me to a TOR hidden service webpage that allows someone to submit a tip via TOR and stay anon even to the reporter.

I wouldn't say that the Obama administration's assault on the media (wiretapping journalists, forcing them to give up sources, ect.) is so much censorship of the media, as the media will still report newsworthy stories, but is rather intimidation of potential whisleblowers.

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 05, 2014, 11:13:49 PM

Quote from: bitmarket.io on July 05, 2014, 04:51:56 PM

Quote from: Kluge on June 30, 2014, 11:34:25 PM

Persecution and prosecution of journalists in the US over the past few years has gone beyond anything in my lifetime, but Obama's a lame duck. Since they're largely administrative (DoJ, admin lapdog) decisions, it's kind of pointless to talk about it except maybe to bring awareness to it and see what 2016 pres. candidates say.

Not to mention censorship of the NYT.

This type of censorship is done at the editor/owner level. It is not done by the hand of the government.

I'd guess he was referencing James Risen who works @ NYT, though prosecution was entirely for content in a separate book, I think (not entirely sure on that). Either way, depending on the kind of articles censored, very possible it's a chilling effect and thus the result of government heavy-handedness with journalists & whistleblowers over the past few years.

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Quote from: bitmarket.io on July 05, 2014, 04:51:56 PM

Quote from: Kluge on June 30, 2014, 11:34:25 PM

Persecution and prosecution of journalists in the US over the past few years has gone beyond anything in my lifetime, but Obama's a lame duck. Since they're largely administrative (DoJ, admin lapdog) decisions, it's kind of pointless to talk about it except maybe to bring awareness to it and see what 2016 pres. candidates say.

Not to mention censorship of the NYT.

This type of censorship is done at the editor/owner level. It is not done by the hand of the government.

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Quote from: ALToids on July 05, 2014, 03:51:59 AM

You cannot eliminate bias - that is human. You can try to curtail it by having reporters state facts as facts and not offer conjecture. They should make every news piece an opinion piece by selectively withholding facts.

If one side overpowers and basically sidelines the other or multiple other viewpoints it's no longer free.

That would be interesting, but probably not very practical and/or hard to implement. I mean, on the one hand, many events can easily be misinterpreted when presented without context (that is, an idea of what led to the current situation); on the other hand, the bias could easily shift to simply not reporting selected events, which kind of already happens.

Quote from: galbros on July 05, 2014, 08:48:00 PM

I think as long as humans are involved there is going to be some bias. I think the US press is free from most government censorship.

It might be true that the press is mostly free from government censorship in the US (though certainly not completely); but as mentioned before, government censorship is only one way to control the media and it's not the primary method used in the west, as far as I can tell.

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I think as long as humans are involved there is going to be some bias. I think the US press is free from most government censorship.

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Quote from: Kluge on June 30, 2014, 11:34:25 PM

Persecution and prosecution of journalists in the US over the past few years has gone beyond anything in my lifetime, but Obama's a lame duck. Since they're largely administrative (DoJ, admin lapdog) decisions, it's kind of pointless to talk about it except maybe to bring awareness to it and see what 2016 pres. candidates say.

Not to mention censorship of the NYT.

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Quote from: ALToids on July 05, 2014, 03:51:59 AM

Quote from: InwardContour on July 04, 2014, 10:32:44 PM

The US press is not quite as bad as it is in some places of the world like China or North Korea, but it will almost always have some kind of bias.

You cannot eliminate bias - that is human. You can try to curtail it by having reporters state facts as facts and not offer conjecture. They should make every news piece an opinion piece by selectively withholding facts.

If one side overpowers and basically sidelines the other or multiple other viewpoints it's no longer free.

This is true but the media is suppose to only report facts and leave bias out of stories. Another issue is that the bias is almost always to the liberal viewpoint

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Quote from: ALToids on July 05, 2014, 03:51:59 AM

Quote from: InwardContour on July 04, 2014, 10:32:44 PM

The US press is not quite as bad as it is in some places of the world like China or North Korea, but it will almost always have some kind of bias.

You cannot eliminate bias - that is human. You can try to curtail it by having reporters state facts as facts and not offer conjecture. They should make every news piece an opinion piece by selectively withholding facts.

If one side overpowers and basically sidelines the other or multiple other viewpoints it's no longer free.

Yes.

Even news on the internet can be biased as moderators can censor and ban user.

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 04, 2014, 10:32:44 PM

The US press is not quite as bad as it is in some places of the world like China or North Korea, but it will almost always have some kind of bias.

You cannot eliminate bias - that is human. You can try to curtail it by having reporters state facts as facts and not offer conjecture. They should make every news piece an opinion piece by selectively withholding facts.

If one side overpowers and basically sidelines the other or multiple other viewpoints it's no longer free.

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The US press is not quite as bad as it is in some places of the world like China or North Korea, but it will almost always have some kind of bias.

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It's far from optimal, but it could definitely be worse. TV media is free to an extent, but they do have to worry about editors, and of course government. Editors could also be compromised one way or another. There are many reasons why a station might not report on an important story, and they don't all have to do with government intervention. But Operation Mockingbird is definitely worth looking into. If you think that the US government stopped placing undercover assets in various news organizations, I have a boat to sell you.

Kind of off topic, but I remember reading about a man in the UK who was arrested for simply having in his possession a copy of Al Qaeda's magazine Inspire, which you can download online.

“This is a serious terrorist offence and we hope this will send a clear message that anyone caught in possession of such material can expect to be bought before the courts,” a government official said.

This would never fly in the US.

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