Topic: Is there a chance we get a takedown notice? - page 3. (Read 1694 times)

I agree with Phil. If the government wasn’t planning to backpunish people for breaking laws then why on earth is the NSA building massive datacenters and collecting unbelievable amounts of data on everyone to store forever? You really think at some point they won’t have AI going through that to try and bleed people dry in order to push their agenda?

The blockchain can be good or it can be used for evil. Chipmixer won’t save you from it being used for evil.
https://twitter.com/zachxbt/status/1597605409883566080

And we should all join your shitcoin projects right?  
If I remember correctly you got accused of doing some illegal things before, that means we should all avoid you and anything related with you, right?
You and OGN should take each other hands and sing kumbaya song, because you seem to be plying for the same team.

Yeah, but that is why they are creating CBDC to track everything and I think some guys here will love this modern day digital slavery system.
Twisted minds of some people is thinking like this: Let's make privacy illegal and there will be no more criminal...

I find it mildly amusing that CSW's iron fist on this forum has shrunk so much by comparison, to the point where an arbitrary mixer is now considered more of a threat to the forum's operations than him. That is despite hosting the Bitcoin Whitepaper and committing every kind of defamation against him possible 

Ie. We're all good.

That's like saying 'criminals drink coffee in the morning', though isn't it?
Another way to put it: if ChipMixer is suitable for cutting the trace of stolen funds, it means it works, right? That's all that counts for me, whether they did steal those funds or whatever, is none of my business.

I'd also reiterate that making money better traceable is not required to catch criminals. In the fiat world, authorities almost never trace cash serial numbers for criminal investigations, yet still they can get thieves behind bars. There are so many so much better ways to do it than tracing the money, which don't interfere with honest users' privacy.

There are more chances of hell freezing over in comparison to forum getting a takedown notice for advertising chip mixer platform.

I hear what you're saying but that's a pretty unique story.. there are many more situations of sexual assault then the story you describe here, and I'm not really comfortable describing them. I'd guess a story like this is nowhere near the majority of effected criminals.


Well with this line of thinking, we've had a target on our back ever since we registered an account here.. even simply using Tor would paint a target on you because it is also used by plenty of criminals, and there are plenty of Tor nodes run by governments. This forum also has criminals and you're here supporting it... but you don't feel comfortable using a mixer?

All I'm saying is just because someone uses a service for a bad purpose, it doesn't mean the service itself is bad. There are plenty of legit services all over the world being manipulated by criminals, shutting them all down isn't the answer.

right you are in 1993 you are 18 the girl is 17 you are in New York been with the girl 2 years. cross the border to nj while driving over the George Washington Bridge she was giving you a BJ as soon as the car goes into NJ you become guilty of statutory rape and you violate the Mann act a federal law a racist NJ trooper pull you over and now you a black teenager are facing 5-10 for starry rape and 20 for Mann act violation total of 35-30.

You cut a deal and plead to forciple touching. and get 2 years in prison. While in Jail NJ passes Megans law.
YOU are put on a sex registry for 10 years.  The feds pass the federal law in 1996 and you go on a national list until 2004,

That was possible to do in 1993.

Many conditions were flat out bs due to crazy ass laws due to 50 states with 50 sets of laws plus federal laws.

In the US many people got added punishedment once convicted and Meagans law was passed after.

Those lists cost jobs and parole violations.

And many people had their expected sentences lengthen in NY when the time served vs sentenced given was altered.

Which is a joke when you are being charged with 10 possible years or 20 years but if you cop a plea you get 5. 40% served and off with good behavior.

Most will cop the plea thinking I will do 2 rather than a moron jury giving me 20.

Then a year in they change the rules and say you have to do 80% not 40% so your 2 years in prison is now 4 years.

Look I know the discussion is chipmixer not extended punishments after the fact. I can simply say if you are in the USA and you do chipmaker you paint a target on your back.

Now for Meagans law the crossover people won't happen anymore as the law is in effect everywhere. But if you got charged and convicted right before the law went into effect you got added punishment.
If you were in New York in 1990's got convicted and sentenced thinking 40% or the sentence and out it was turned into 80%

and many in New York were overcharged so that they would plea bargain lesser sentences. Then the expected time was doubled.
I know a person that shot some one the head surely attempted murder. The victim survived the shooter plead to assault with a deadly weapon he got 10 years on the plea bargain thinking he would do 4 of the 10. If he lost the attempted murder he would have got 20 years. While in Osining prison the 40% rule was altered to 80% he served 8 years. Fact not FUD

Yeah you will say he shot someone in the head he deserved it. I say yeah you are right. Even though I am his step brother and he was pretty decent guy. But many others were in prison on lesser crimes 5 years for weed sales plead guilty thinking 2 years in jail became 4 years. Look it up not fun real.

So a government that does this routinely can do it with chipmixer.

Look if you are a USA citizen and you leave the country you get a job US law says you have to file a tax return.

Your last prime minister Boris Johnson never filed and never denounced his US citizenship ant time he came to the USA the Feds could pick him up for tax evasion that's how fucked up USA law is. So if you are in the USA and a citizen of it. Using chipmixer they may never do a thing to you. They never bother Boris Johnson so yeah take a shot and hope they don't do a thing to you.

Do you strongly recommend staying away from privacy protection measures as well? You know. To not get involved into criminal activity?

I only said that some hackers do more proper usage than others, and don't get caught. If ChipMixer was a honeypot, then greater hackers (like the Binance ones) would have been put behind the bars. That's all I said.

Hell, do I need to remind you that two weirdos kept billions worth of stolen bitcoin in a cloud this year? Lol. Not all know to use bitcoin properly.

I wouldn't deem any usage of it as "proper." As a matter of fact I strongly recommend staying away from ChipMixer altogether.


You've posited a series of conditions in which you are always going to be right regardless of what happens. This doesn't change the fact that it is possible to trace coins moved through ChipMixer, and that thieves & hackers are ChipMixer's biggest clients.

https://slowmist.medium.com/investigation-of-aml-instances-around-blockchain-technology-for-the-first-half-of-2022-faff3e4bd6e

Owner and CTO - not guilty.
Alameda who borrowed and gambled with funds - not guilty.
All projects funded with user funds never to return - not guilty.
Hacker from story invented weeks after FTX bankrupted - not guilty.
Altcoins and Defi that moved funds - not guilty.
Exchanges that exchanged altcoins to bitcoin - not guilty.
ChipMixer (also called part of top govs) - guilty.

Out of all people on this list only ChipMixer did not get % of those funds.

Megan's law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/megan%27s_law
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rio/citation/Pub._L._104-145

I don't see it saying anything about the requirement of a life sentence?

If you are saying a public sex offender registry is a "punishment" equivalent to incarceration (you said "time served" was altered - FUD! lol), or even something like community service, then we may have to agree to disagree.. as I wouldn't see a public registry like this in the same way I'd see a sentence adjustment that effects the freedom of an individual or their criminal status.

You call it a punishment, but maybe it's just a sincere effort to protect the public and discourage repeat sex offenders. *shrug*

So I guess the best we could ever expect is some sort of public registry of bitcoiners using mixers if governments could decipher who all of them were?.. of course, we'd have to assume the public will care about this as much as they do the sexual assault of minors for it to ever happen. 

Megan's law was able to punish all prior pedophiles if they were still in prison.


https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-megans-law-973197

"In 1996, the U.S. Congress passed Megan's Law as an amendment to the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children's Act. It required every state to have a sex offender registry and a notification system for the public when a sex offender is released into their community. It also required that repeat sex offenders receive a sentence of life in prison."

those lists in effect were added punishment to people serving time.

^ Sounds like Phillip may be referring to the reduction of sentences for illegal crimes committed, which is a much different thing then going back and making something that was legal suddenly illegal at a previous point in time and issuing a sentence, and/or imposing stricter sentences at a later point in the future, these I don't believe have ever been done in the US.

Busy but will do

It would be nice if you include a link.

He just quoted the universal declaration of human rights, it's not a UK law, it's a general principle of universal law.

If what you say is true, I knew the USA was rubbish at some things, but this would take the biscuit. I imagine you have an exaggerated interpretation of the issue, because to be able to apply that without limit is not conceivable in a modern democracy.

Better if you provide links btw, I've just searched and I just see an amalgam of scattered information.

Unfortunately U.K. law does not apply to USA. It is a nice law though.

Unfortunately here in the USA we shit all over that idea.
1)Read on how USA altered time served rules after the fact.
2)Read how USA alter pedophile rules after the fact.

To give you an example of how fucked the USA is we could charge Boris (ex PM) for US tax evasion anytime we want.

3)Hard to believe but true. look it up

Not fud for 1),2),3)

 just facts

If your government punishes you for something that wasn't illegal at the time, you have much bigger things to worry about. It would be a Human Rights violation:
This means that:
So to answer your question: if my government would do what you suggested, it would be time to bring out the pitchforks.

It's trivial to know that. If the money are sent to an address that is later used as input with a list of inputs multiples of 0.001, it's likely to be them. I know no other mixer that works similarly. Knowing that I've sent money to a mixer is a feature, not a bug. The point is to obfuscate. It's a clear sign that you can't make a valid assumption about my inputs, because it's crystal clear they belong to a mixer. Same goes for Coinjoining.

If you were registered at FTX, you didn't have any funds to begin with.