Topic: is there a reason why Cryptsy doesn't host ICOs? (Read 3891 times)

Pff of course to create confusion Hilux74 wanted to post something here too because I most probably posted something bad (or sensitive information) about Digitalindustry (aka Kolin Evans).

Let's see how other people experience posts from Hilux74 at bitcointalk:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9525820
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9586936

I have nothing to add to that

For the people who didn't follow this whole thread, one last time how DI really thinks about CAP to close this whole conversation:


Because of above e-mail from DI, I doubted about the integrity of cryptsy because BitJohn initiated CAP and cryptsy listed it (and is still listed) at their exchange

Nice to see yet another thread that 'beautiful mind' silvermetal has wtf'ed up with his ever increasing convoluted conspiracy theory.  What a nut. 

Highlights so far in this thread are that original arch rivals worldcoin and digitalcoin are now also included in his theory, and that everyone from mid2013 with Cryptsy avatars have also been added.  Makes sense...

If only he could view the litebonk forum where we all posted pics giving high5s after coming up with this grand conspiracy.

You sound like a reasonable guy, I hope you use your common sense when you choose somebody to work for

As long as you have not actually met Spoetnik in person in your hometown, (for me) he can live everywhere.
I also remember he indicated he lived in Canada in his profile, but he changes that frequently. I also read once that he lived in a basement somewhere with free electricity (so he can mine coins for free). But what somebody writes and what is really true is hard to find out sometimes.

That the truth is usually somewhere in the middle I demonstrated with the CAP story, after I aligned the stories from BitJohn, Shakezula (Adam) and digitalindustry there are still gaps....

I'm not sure what to make of it but it is fun to be able to add to something and help it along, I think it could be a good investment as long as Spoetnik takes it seriously and would certainly stir a lot of opinions which would create a lot of volume (which is why BitJohn would like it, more volume = more money). A person can and should have a bit of fun but at the end of the day it is always a serious business when it involves peoples hard earned money.

I know Speotnik is from Canada because it has been posted a number of different times by him and other people, he's from my hometown not too far away from where I live.

Thank you BitJohn that you took some time to answer some of my questions.

If I understand you correct I have to summarize the history of CAP as follows:
15-20 people in the chatbox at cryptsy started the idea to create BottleCaps, including Shake, Mullick and BitJohn.
The idea was to create a coin without a premine, to show that a coin only needs a community.
Digitalindustry was not included in the chat.
The 15-20 people thought that Shake would create BottleCaps for free. However Shake was thinking differently about that (he is still surprised that he is not paid for the creation of the coin). Seems to me that no good agreements were made from start.

CAP was launched as follows:
Shake created the coin
JohnEden (a group account) announced CAP at bitcointalk.
Mullick took over from Adam as developer of CAP
BitJohn posted very enthusiastic in the thread, but at that time he was a volunteer at cryptsy. In this way there was not a conflict of interest between CAP and cryptsy

A side note:
At the same day of announcement digitalindustry posted in the thread (Coincidence??)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2561719 and claimed BottleCaps was his idea. (however he was not present at the initial meetings according to BitJohn). Another lie of DI ? Or was DI present at the meeting with another name?
One proven "sockpuppet" (philipdick, another account of Digitalindustry) also "scammed" CAPS at start:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2581363

How did CAP proceed:
Some hard forks later, it seemed that CAP was not the success as was hoped for.
BitJohn and Mullick started to work at cryptsy and abandoned CAP because of conflict of interest.
Mullick handed CAP over to "Tranz"

CAP november 2014:
It is still listed at cryptsy, while there is hardly a community left (with Tranz and DI as one of the few active members).

Thanks for the explanation. little bit off topic, but what do you think of spoetnikcoin? BitJohn explained he posted there because he doesn't consider it as something serious.
I have met you also in that thread, but to me it seemed you took it very serious? Or did I interpret that wrong?

And how do you know spoetnik is from Canada?

I have little relationship with BitJohn and Cryptsy. I had originally added BitJohn to Skype as someone had got into my Cryptsy account and made off with a large portion of BTC which was due to error on my part. I have also talked with BitJohn and Mullick about a number of topics (mostly questions about coding), suggestions to improve the platform and to see if Mullick would be able to help with some coding work (which he said no to since he was already over worked). I still have BitJohn and Mullick on Skype but haven't talked to either of them in 4-5 months as I'm busy with my own stuff.

Hazard was the original coin maker been out of the scene for some time or maybe he goes by a different handle now. Cryptsy was originally intended as a place for miners on Paul's pools to trade coins they mined that could not be traded anywhere. In the old days you would buy, and sell on these boards and lots of folks got ripped off. Anyhow back then there were very few alt coins and there was a big demand from the customer to add coins. Take your investigation to all the old buying selling threads you will see the old wild west.

I supported CAP at the time because it was fair and had stats that I liked. In those days Mullick and I did not work for Cryptsy we volunteered. Cryptsy was a small operation. When we became employees all the side projects and associations became extra work (as it was all volunteer) also made for conflicts of interest so we just removed ourselves from that stuff.

What is your relationship with BitJohn and Cryptsy? That you think it is necessary to support BitJohn with your posts?

And until now I don't find it very convincing from BitJohn. He only answers short and claims one poster is a troll without posting any evidence. And ok he clarified a few things about CAP which I didn't know. I am grateful about that.

I am still interested in the following:
- What BitJohn thinks about Hazard and his coins , and why he list them as he could be aware that those coins are scam coins?
- Why BitJohn and Mullick left CAP? If the reason is that CAP was a failed experiment, why are failed experiments still listed at Cryptsy?

I did pay attention and responded to it on the ones I know more about since some of them you listed I consider successful Coins. I don't need to defend BitJohn, he seems to be pretty good at answering all of your questions on his own.

And how do you know that about igotaids?
I thought he made with his name a parody on igotspots, a well known scammer at bitcointalk (usually igotspots scammed in combination with coins from Hazard).

I must say that I don't know much about mullick, in the CAP thread it was the first time I have seen him, but he is many times mentioned in one breath with developers like Hazard (and I was focussed more on Hazard because coins of Digitalindustry (kopimicoin, digitalcoin, worldcoin, Nibbles, etc) are more associated with Hazard than Mullick).

Hazard created much coins, which many of them are listed at your exchange, and you could know that (even in 2013) hazard was a scammer, because there was a call to bann hazard:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2336699

igotAids is someones troll sockpuppet account... Mullick was a developer on CAP after it was released in fact he fixed tons of broken coins before he moved to Florida to work for Cryptsy. Yes beating dead fish...

Hm off topic? I agree a little bit, but on your "request" I moved the discussion to one thread instead of two:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9604872

A dead fish? According to you the following person has no idea how the altcoin market works?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6592556

To remind you, the first developer of CAP was mullick (who is mentioned in the post above from "iGotAIDS").
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2582172

There really is nothing more to tell your beating a dead fish. There is no relationship. And really this whole chatter is off topic.

You think that people are more interested in my integrity than the integrity of Cryptsy?
Why do you pop up and help BitJohn to distract the attention away from cryptsy with this post?

Or is BitJohn not capable to explain the integrity of Cryptsy by himself?

It's more important that BitJohn explains his relationship with scammers like DI and Spoetnik (and their related coins), than I do
(if I already have a relationship with them as you try to suggest). There are people who trust their bitcoin/money to his exchange.

But if you are really interested in my relationship with DI (and with which coin), I told it two or three posts before in this same thread. Pay better attention Crestington (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9614870).

So you helped Kolin with scamcoins then? or invested in them knowing they were a scam and meant to be dumped for profit? I really don't see how that would be any different and which Coins are you referring to? Names and Dates?

First off, I never stated that DI and spoetnik are one person. I would never be able to proof that because I can't check IP addresses. I only indicated that their relationship is very very close. So close that they have sometimes problems to distinguish theirself from each other.
And Spoetnik is from Canada? That is new from me, as he states in his profile that he is from Antigua and female: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/spoetnik-138471. It is that easy to tell (mislead) somebody where you are coming from and whether you are (fe)male.

Second, did I state somewhere that DI and Spoetnik can code?
Because they both can't, DI used copycoin services from "Hazard" to create coins:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2395353
 
And not sure why you tell me the investment rules. I made many profits with some scam coins from Kolin.

And my intention to post here was to learn more about the integrity of Cryptsy by BitJohn himself.

ZERO relationship Check the following:

Read the trustscore of DI, and especially the comment of user "stealthcoin". There you see the connection with digitalcoin and digitalindustry.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=85019

And check the thread of Nibbles, there DI scamms about worldcoin all the time. Here one example:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2195744

By the way: Strange sense of humor: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9362843

Your information is incorrect in so many ways

First off, Digital Industry and Spoetnik are two different people and only really know each other because the community was so small at the time, one lives in Canada and the other lives in Australia and neither of them could code Coins at the time. Also, HBN is completely unrelated and Tranz the Developer is one of the top coders around here, the Coin has more unique features than most Coins around. MyriadCoin was never labeled as an investment but a project dedicated to multi-algo merge mining of POW, it doesn't do much for price but has a lot of merit for the innovative technology it adds to the ecosystem.

You should try to let go of blaming DigitalIndustry for losses you incurred in investing in a new technology, the reason it dropped in price so much comes down to dilution. When a Coin is POW only, miners will always sell their Coins they have mined to pay for electricity expenses and with new Cryptocurrencies coming out every day there is not enough new buyers to sustain the price and so it drops in value. Rule number 1 of investing is if you see red flags, be the first to sell even if you incur a small loss because it's better than holding on and incurring an even bigger loss.

Cryptsy used to make coin avatars for every coin for marketing. When Bitcointalk locked down changing them... Everyone is stuck with the last avatar they had. Digitalcoin and Worldcoin have ZERO relationship to Digital Industry. Spoetnik has never released a coin to my knowledge. I think you missed the point of the Spoetnik coin thread it was humor. That is where folks make a joke and people laugh and play along...