Is There A Way To Increase Blocksize And Keep Bitcoin Core?? - page 2.

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Quote from: BitProdigy on August 19, 2015, 10:34:23 AM

I support the block size increase but it seems this can happen with Bitcoin Core, I have yet to find a compelling argument for why I should support XT however, and the TOR blacklisting stuff they never mentioned worries me.

Can you read? Read here:
https://bitcoinxt.software/patches.html

They never hid the fact, that there are other patches in BitcoinXT and there is even a bigblocks-only branch
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks

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Quote from: balu2 on August 19, 2015, 12:52:05 AM

Yes, there is a way. Why aren't we doing it? I think we are and we should. Gavin just chose to ignore the consensus process and try a hostile takeover to become the benevolent dictator of bitcoin (this is actually not exaggerated).

The problem is: everyone is paying too much attention to and giving that attempt of a hostile takeover with a rogue software too much credit.

XT is very simple Gavins' way to circumvent consensus principles in the devteam.
All this isn't even about the blocksize. Blocksize is just the fassade for a blatant hostile takeover attempt. Blocks aren't even half full right now.

Wrong. Consensus does not exist in the dev team nor should it ever to be considered actual CONSENSUS.

Consensus is about the free market (miners, users, exchanges, businesses, merchants). Developers do not decide which direction bitcoin goes...the people using bitcoin do.

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We will need an agreement between how much to raise the blocksize and how much % of transactions go through LN because unfortunately we can't process all of the stuff through the blockchain unless proven otherwise. I think both approaches should be used in conjunction.

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I support the block size increase but it seems this can happen with Bitcoin Core, I have yet to find a compelling argument for why I should support XT however, and the TOR blacklisting stuff they never mentioned worries me.

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Quote from: meono on August 19, 2015, 09:11:49 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 09:08:49 AM

Quote from: knight22 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:09 AM

Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

BIP100 is being voted on by miners.
Block size increase in Core is coming sooner than later.
so,
If Block Size isn't the compelling reason to use XT...

The XT marketing fall back plan apparently is that XT is the anti-Blockstream code?

Read Mike's blog carefully. Then judge: https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1

Its not about anti blockstream. Its about a fair game Bitcoin Blockchain deserve. Blockstream was still an idea, so we cant rely on it as a solution to tx per sec limit.

Exact. I'm not anti Blockstream at all but trying to force a private company on a "trustless" system is a big no no. It's all about choices.

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Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 09:08:49 AM

Quote from: knight22 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:09 AM

Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

BIP100 is being voted on by miners.
Block size increase in Core is coming sooner than later.
so,
If Block Size isn't the compelling reason to use XT...

The XT marketing fall back plan apparently is that XT is the anti-Blockstream code?

Read Mike's blog carefully. Then judge: https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1

Its not about anti blockstream. Its about a fair game Bitcoin Blockchain deserve. Blockstream was still an idea, so we cant rely on it as a solution to tx per sec limit.

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Quote from: knight22 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:09 AM

Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

BIP100 is being voted on by miners.
Block size increase in Core is coming sooner than later.
so,
If Block Size isn't the compelling reason to use XT...

The XT marketing fall back plan apparently is that XT is the anti-Blockstream code?

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Quote from: valiz on August 19, 2015, 08:53:44 AM

Quote from: turvarya on August 19, 2015, 08:49:40 AM

I wonder why nobody on here is mentioning this:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks

As far as I know, it is just Bitcoin Core, with the bigger-block code in it.
(But do be honest, I haven't checked yet)

Because few people know what a branch is, and around 99% of the XT supporters will run the released version. Perhaps around 95% would keep the default settings.

So that branch is as good as nonexistent.

Oh, nice to see, that you have spoken with all the XT supporters and asked them which branch they are using.
Sadly, I couldn't find the time for that.

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Quote from: turvarya on August 19, 2015, 08:49:40 AM

I wonder why nobody on here is mentioning this:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks

As far as I know, it is just Bitcoin Core, with the bigger-block code in it.
(But do be honest, I haven't checked yet)

Because few people know what a branch is, and around 99% of the XT supporters will run the released version. Perhaps around 95% would keep the default settings.

So that branch is as good as nonexistent.

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I wonder why nobody on here is mentioning this:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks

As far as I know, it is just Bitcoin Core, with the bigger-block code in it.
(But do be honest, I haven't checked yet)

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Begin implementing Keccak with SHAKE, compress the transactions as they flow through the network on their way to the miners. creating an extra layer of security while systematically forming random lists of active nodes, time stamped for freshness.

Keccak is fast, it'll make it easy to create SPV transactions for thin clients, maintaining security for the network regardless of device.

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Quote from: valiz on August 19, 2015, 08:36:50 AM

Quote from: knight22 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:09 AM

Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

Such diversionary tactics will soon become ineffective, I suggest you find something else to keep repeating until there's no tomorrow. You should come with some real arguments to support your position. I can also start repeating Gavin and Hearn work for CIA/NSA or whatever, but that would get us nowhere. Wink

Something a Blockstream supporter would definitely say.

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Quote from: knight22 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:09 AM

Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

Such diversionary tactics will soon become ineffective, I suggest you find something else to keep repeating until there's no tomorrow. You should come with some real arguments to support your position. I can also start repeating Gavin and Hearn work for CIA/NSA or whatever, but that would get us nowhere. Wink

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Quote from: croTek4 on August 19, 2015, 08:28:28 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

Ah yes, that private company which we will all have to rely on. Thanks but no thanks.

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Quote from: NewLiberty on August 19, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

Yes, only when Blockstream is ready.

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Quote from: ticoti on August 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM

Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

On the contrary, those who pay a little attention do know.
There are a finite number of reasons why the block size can't raise much just yet.
These are being solved. Bitcoin Core will increase the size only after it is safe to do so.
It is not so hard to be patient once more of it is understood.

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Yes,it is a way, but nobody knows why, some bitcoin core people don't want

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Quote from: Denker on August 19, 2015, 05:08:01 AM

Quote from: Mickeyb on August 19, 2015, 02:25:50 AM

Well this is exactly what we would all want that happens. But the problem is that the core Devs that are against the block size increase have their reasoning.

Now, maybe the game that Gavin is playing is that he wants to scare all of the community with the XT and then when we all see that XT is gaining traction and is not a joke anymore, maybe then the core Devs will let go and make some consensus. At least let's hope so!

This is my hope as well!

I hope that wasn't his "brilliant" plan. He's putting himself out as an outcast. He left core and is now an XT developer. If XT falls apart, he'll be lucky that anyone in the bitcoin space ever trusts him again. Gavin will make a suggestion and the response will be "I don't know Gavin, remember that time you got upset, started your own fork and almost ripped bitcoin in two?". He'll be the Karpeles of BTC development.

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Quote from: Mickeyb on August 19, 2015, 02:25:50 AM

Well this is exactly what we would all want that happens. But the problem is that the core Devs that are against the block size increase have their reasoning.

Now, maybe the game that Gavin is playing is that he wants to scare all of the community with the XT and then when we all see that XT is gaining traction and is not a joke anymore, maybe then the core Devs will let go and make some consensus. At least let's hope so!

This is my hope as well!

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Well this is exactly what we would all want that happens. But the problem is that the core Devs that are against the block size increase have their reasoning.

Now, maybe the game that Gavin is playing is that he wants to scare all of the community with the XT and then when we all see that XT is gaining traction and is not a joke anymore, maybe then the core Devs will let go and make some consensus. At least let's hope so!

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