Is there any connections between bitcoin price and stock market chaos?

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Quote from: Huobi-USD on August 26, 2015, 03:07:20 AM

Do you think the fall in the price of bitcoin is related to the stock market crash?
Any other factors do you think contribute most to the recent price drop?
Do you think there's bubble in bitcoin market?
Read more about global economic turmoil here：https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/global-economic-outlook-market-turmoil/

Price of Bitcoin is stable from February.
Stock markets gained a lot from February till today, no matter decreases that happened.
If there will be serious crash money that will be left will leave stocks and move to Gold and also some to Bitcoin.
Actually this migration will started happening before. When Economies will start cool down ( China does) and will get in depression. Stock market follows that.
So price of Bitcoin will start growing much before the big stock bubble crash.

When will that happen? You will see when Bitcoin price start growing.

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Quote from: Digit-0 on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 AM

i think that yes, everything is related with everything, well maybe have more influence the miners costs and trading values, but in the end i think that everything counts.

I think your 100% wrong. There is no link between stock markets crash and bitcoin prices to fall, they just a coincidence. Bitcoin prices are not controlled by any countries economy but purely based on its demand and supply. If market crash then there are chances that bitcoin prices to should up because investors may consider investing in bitcoins like other commodities.

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I don't think so. The bitcoin price I think is lowered because the well known volatility of the price of bitcoin, the pumped price of it from MtGox and maybe even from the bitcoin XT. No particularly characteristics were affected on it. Anyhow I am not an expert in the markets so my words maybe are the words of a beginner.

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No i don't think that the bitcoin price drop is due to stock market drop.
According to me, it's solely due to the Bitcoin XT drama and nothing else.
But now the prices are started to stabilize and we are heading up from here.

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Quote from: RyNinDaCleM on August 26, 2015, 09:27:03 PM

No! There is no connection. For the first 5 years, Bitcoin followed the US stock market. It deviated from it in November 2013 when we started our bear market. Some money may come to Bitcoin, but I doubt 99% of it will head anywhere but low risk assets in a risk-off situation.

XT is also not the cause of this recent decline. It definitely added to it but there was noticeable weakness through the whole rally to $320. That was all the bulls could muster at that time. The market was due for a pull back at the least and XT just threw gas on the fire. The cause was purely technical.

Could you explain further?

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Quote from: Mickeyb on August 26, 2015, 03:11:20 AM

No. The decline in Bitcoin price is directly related to the XT debate and nothing else. If nothing, the stock market crash should have propelled Bitcoin price upwards. If there was no block size debate, this would have happened 99%.

Now, maybe we would also see much more dumping and bigger price decline if there was no stock market crash. We can never know this for sure though.

This statement is only partially true.. The bitcoin decrease is not just bitcoin XT. It's a number of things.

I wouldn't say bitcoin XT is the main reason.

1. Bitcoin XT
2. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-slumps-following-bitfinex-outage/

(people aren't happy either. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3igv0r/bitfinex_pretty_sure_we_are_dealing_with_amateurs/ )

3. Panic selling. "Oh noo price is falling SELL SELL SELL"

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Quote from: Biodom on August 26, 2015, 06:23:33 PM

Quote from: notme on August 26, 2015, 04:03:31 PM

Quote from: Biodom on August 26, 2015, 01:17:57 PM

I don't know where to post it, so will stick it here.
first-i don't think that btc will correlate, except on high down days.
However i found an interesting blurb on the market conditions;

CNBC Pisani says that conditions of yesterday/today should exist (theoretically) only one time in 140000 tries or once in 383 years, yet then he says that we had one in 80ies (he probably meant 1987), then in 2011 and now in 2015.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pisanis-market-open-p-500-134300969.html
go to ~1:55min

If you still follow theories that assume stock prices are normally distributed than you need to read Mandelbrot.

no, i was just quoting him contradicting himself in the same sentence.
What Mandelbrot's book would be relevant-the (mis)behavior of markets?

I think you know Wink

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No! There is no connection. For the first 5 years, Bitcoin followed the US stock market. It deviated from it in November 2013 when we started our bear market. Some money may come to Bitcoin, but I doubt 99% of it will head anywhere but low risk assets in a risk-off situation.

XT is also not the cause of this recent decline. It definitely added to it but there was noticeable weakness through the whole rally to $320. That was all the bulls could muster at that time. The market was due for a pull back at the least and XT just threw gas on the fire. The cause was purely technical.

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Quote from: notme on August 26, 2015, 04:03:31 PM

Quote from: Biodom on August 26, 2015, 01:17:57 PM

I don't know where to post it, so will stick it here.
first-i don't think that btc will correlate, except on high down days.
However i found an interesting blurb on the market conditions;

CNBC Pisani says that conditions of yesterday/today should exist (theoretically) only one time in 140000 tries or once in 383 years, yet then he says that we had one in 80ies (he probably meant 1987), then in 2011 and now in 2015.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pisanis-market-open-p-500-134300969.html
go to ~1:55min

If you still follow theories that assume stock prices are normally distributed than you need to read Mandelbrot.

no, i was just quoting him contradicting himself in the same sentence.
What Mandelbrot's book would be relevant-the (mis)behavior of markets?

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Bitcoin was a good idea but there came at an inopportune time .............. Bicoin is more valuable when the people on earth be mush richer than now ....

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Quote from: Biodom on August 26, 2015, 01:17:57 PM

I don't know where to post it, so will stick it here.
first-i don't think that btc will correlate, except on high down days.
However i found an interesting blurb on the market conditions;

CNBC Pisani says that conditions of yesterday/today should exist (theoretically) only one time in 140000 tries or once in 383 years, yet then he says that we had one in 80ies (he probably meant 1987), then in 2011 and now in 2015.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pisanis-market-open-p-500-134300969.html
go to ~1:55min

If you still follow theories that assume stock prices are normally distributed than you need to read Mandelbrot.

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Quote from: coinpr0n on August 26, 2015, 06:30:20 AM

I do think it there is a relationship. Day traders (not so much long-term bulls) will take out profits from one system to participate in another.

I agree that there is a relationship, but I think there is more to it. I think when money moves out of risky, speculative markets (like equities, or bitcoin) it moves into safer investments and stores of value. I don't see money flowing out of the stock market and into bitcoin -- not at all. Rather, I think mass psychology -- predominantly, fear, at the moment -- has become a black cloud over speculative markets. This is one reason why we see many markets turn bearish at once.

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I don't know where to post it, so will stick it here.
first-i don't think that btc will correlate, except on high down days.
However i found an interesting blurb on the market conditions;

CNBC Pisani says that conditions of yesterday/today should exist (theoretically) only one time in 140000 tries or once in 383 years, yet then he says that we had one in 80ies (he probably meant 1987), then in 2011 and now in 2015.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pisanis-market-open-p-500-134300969.html
go to ~1:55min

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If I was a gambler on Chinese share markets and got threatened with margin calls (millions of accounts are getting them right now) I would be tempted to sell whatever liquid assets I had on hand. Bitcoin is quick and simple to turn into cash. I would suggest at least a part of the recent falls were due to the volatility on Chinese markets.

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I do think it there is a relationship. Day traders (not so much long-term bulls) will take out profits from one system to participate in another.

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Having followed gold price for over a decade, the gold price tends to go down when the stock market crashes. Even though it is a hedge long term.

Low prices on the stock market are great opportunities for those hedging the market to take from their hedge and buy cheap stocks.

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Lots of events took place in the last few days and the combination must've scared a lot of traders. Must importantly, bitfinex has serious issues with trading are now mentioning data corruption issues. Trading in their platform was halted. This created a lot of frustration among traders and the price went down for a short period of time. And aside of that, the blocksize debate is continuing and I'm sure it also plays a role in the uncertainty haunting the bitcoin markets at the moment.

So to answer the question in OP, while global markets are collapsing, bitcoin's ecosystem has it's own internal issues that are more significant to the traders that drive the price.

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i think that yes, everything is related with everything, well maybe have more influence the miners costs and trading values, but in the end i think that everything counts.

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Quote from: Mickeyb on August 26, 2015, 03:11:20 AM

No. The decline in Bitcoin price is directly related to the XT debate and nothing else. If nothing, the stock market crash should have propelled Bitcoin price upwards. If there was no block size debate, this would have happened 99%.

Now, maybe we would also see much more dumping and bigger price decline if there was no stock market crash. We can never know this for sure though.

I agree with this, one would assume that the price of Bitcoin would have gone up with the stock market crash but there has been so much doubt flying about regarding XT that this would surely have halted this rise.

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In my opinion the answer would be no, the price of Bitcoins is mainly affected by the need of the coins and the miners.

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