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This poses another question, if bitcoin fails what happens to the altcoins?

99% of them will fail with it/suffer in price greatly, the less than 1% that can compete with bitcoin and provides the solution to why it failed is going to replace it.
Bitcoin failing doesn't mean crypto is over. It just means an altcoin with lower inflation takes its place.
(this is true if you think bitcoin fails because of high inflation. If you thihnk it failes because of other faults you just buy the altcoin that solves the other problem)

If bitcoin fails it will do so because of a reason and there will be more than one altcoin that provide the solution to the problem. Those clean/fair altcoins which can provide the technical solution to the problem are the ones taking over.

Evolution, baby

To be completely honest, I dont believe inflation is the problem at all. If Bitcoin were more accepted, then demand would offset inflation. There would always be people willing to buy at w/e price. That's not the case now...and I think that has to do with non techie, "sheep", people not having a good reason in their minds to use Bitcoin. Yes it's decentralized, fees are low, yada yada, but that doesn't matter to the average person.

What matters is them having the perception that their money is safe and secure(On this forum we know obviously thats not the case with Fiat money/banks, remember J.P Morgan's 60million bank account hacking recently...) That would mean having some 3rd party centralized entities. Such as an actual bitcoin storage bank, along with maybe "crypto credit cards", things to appeal to the average joe... The majority of people in this forum don't think of what the average person wants. Verrrry bad marketing.

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yes
a stable growth is good for future of bitcoin
only price rise up is not enough


I think we just need a mass number of people to take the plunge and use bitcoin, rather than just 1 at a time.

Exactly. Buy products in bitcoin from people who use them too like my automotive repair shop in NYC or klipkeeper.com NOT with companies that have deals with bitpay etc! We need to keep buying these coins from dumping miners just to stabilize the price, which is already happening, that's why we're holding the 350 level.
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Urges OP to think for himself, then proceeds to parrot the same old, "bitcoin is like unrelated, successful technology x, therefore, bitcoin will also succeed wildly" logical fallacy.

 Roll Eyes
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yes
a stable growth is good for future of bitcoin
only price rise up is not enough


I think we just need a mass number of people to take the plunge and use bitcoin, rather than just 1 at a time.
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yes
a stable growth is good for future of bitcoin
only price rise up is not enough
sr. member
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first of all we should be patient and trust in bitcoin
its currency of future
it is growing and we should look into its growth not its price

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first of all we should be patient and trust in bitcoin
its currency of future
it is growing and we should look into its growth not its price
legendary
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the first step in the solution willbe patience and don't want things solved overyear

Other stuff will find their way sooner or later
sr. member
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This poses another question, if bitcoin fails what happens to the altcoins?

99% of them will fail with it/suffer in price greatly, the less than 1% that can compete with bitcoin and provides the solution to why it failed is going to replace it.
Bitcoin failing doesn't mean crypto is over. It just means an altcoin with lower inflation takes its place.
(this is true if you think bitcoin fails because of high inflation. If you thihnk it failes because of other faults you just buy the altcoin that solves the other problem)

If bitcoin fails it will do so because of a reason and there will be more than one altcoin that provide the solution to the problem. Those clean/fair altcoins which can provide the technical solution to the problem are the ones taking over.

Evolution, baby
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The Average Joe immediately saw utility in mobile phones

BTW as an early adopter who lived through some of those early mobile technology years I can tell you that the average person did not see the utility in mobile phones back in 1992 when I bought my first (analogue) mobile phone.  They were perceived as expensive to buy, expensive to use, battery life was poor, and most people frankly couldn't see the point.  In fact, most people back then saw mobile phones as the preserve of high earning bankers - and of drug dealers.


That's not my recollection of 1992. Everyone saw the benefits of mobile phones, it's just that they couldn't afford them at that time. I certainly coveted my friend's mobile in 1992. Mobiles have spread around the world as their utility is so obvious.

People didn't perceive them as having sufficient utility to justify the expense.  And the reality is that by 1992 they were starting to become affordable - they just weren't perceived as such.   I think my first phone has actually nearly free on a contract that cost me something like £30 a month, which is pretty much in the same ballpark as what many people pay today.

It's not that phones have got a lot cheaper, but that people's perception of those costs, and of the utility, has changed enourmously.

roy
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... battery life was poor...
Until it peaked in the early 2000's at around a week or more standby for my old Nokia brick. Now it's like, you can't get a cold drink at the airport because all the vending machines are unplugged with eight people crammed into the powerpoints. Grin
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The Average Joe immediately saw utility in mobile phones

BTW as an early adopter who lived through some of those early mobile technology years I can tell you that the average person did not see the utility in mobile phones back in 1992 when I bought my first (analogue) mobile phone.  They were perceived as expensive to buy, expensive to use, battery life was poor, and most people frankly couldn't see the point.  In fact, most people back then saw mobile phones as the preserve of high earning bankers - and of drug dealers.


That's not my recollection of 1992. Everyone saw the benefits of mobile phones, it's just that they couldn't afford them at that time. I certainly coveted my friend's mobile in 1992. Mobiles have spread around the world as their utility is so obvious.
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The Average Joe immediately saw utility in mobile phones

BTW as an early adopter who lived through some of those early mobile technology years I can tell you that the average person did not see the utility in mobile phones back in 1992 when I bought my first (analogue) mobile phone.  They were perceived as expensive to buy, expensive to use, battery life was poor, and most people frankly couldn't see the point.  In fact, most people back then saw mobile phones as the preserve of high earning bankers - and of drug dealers.
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OP why don't you start thinking for yourself. What is Bitcoin worth to you?

In my opinion Bitcoin is like mobile phones. It will take some years to develop the infrastructure and get people to use it.

We are here




No. That's a Nokia 3310, and the mobile market was already enormous by the time that model was launched. Hundreds of millions of people owned mobile phones back then. Bitcoin is a whopping six years old now, and has only managed to attract a couple of hundred thousand people -- mostly nerds, libertarians, cultists, bulltards, scammers and criminals. The Average Joe immediately saw utility in mobile phones, and those same Joes have rejected Bitcoin, since Bitcoin has zero utility compared to things like fiat, gold and credit cards.
Bitcoin adoption is falling, a fact proven by the steadily declining price. It's just a simple matter of supply and demand. Nothing more.



I'm always surprised by people who think that six years is a long time in the timeline of a technology.  Motorola and Bell launched the first commercial radio telephone service in 1946.  Some interesting insight into the adoption of the early services can be found in the fact the first British radio telephone service was launched in Manchester by the General Post Office in 1959 and after four years it had just 86 users.

But I'll be generous, and not count these early technologies.  I won't even count from the first cellular system (launched in Japan in 1979).  I'll be really generous and start counting from 1991, the year of the first digital cellular networks - even though by this point mobile phones had been widely available in most Western countries for quite a number of years.  Fast forward six years from 1991 and that would take us to 1997, which is still three years before the pictured phone was launched.

Let's think back to 1997.  In 1997 mobile phones were just starting to get significant mainstream adoption in some geographic areas, but private use was still hampered in North America by the relatively high airtime charges for incoming calls (which meant most people tended to leave them switched off, and only use them for emergencies).  Phones were still used mainly for making and receiving voice calls, although texting was starting to gain popularity in areas where it was available.  Texting, though, was still largely limited to GSM networks - and in countries outside GSM-land texting was often limited to only communicating with people on the same network (where it was available at all).

GPRS wasn't widespread - data back then was generally CSD, which was basically dial-up Internet.  But even if you could afford the per-minute charges for Internet access, there's not much you could do with it except tether a laptop using a special serial cable (which was challenging enough to set up that it would have been limited to geeks and to professionals with IT departments to set it up for them).  There wasn't much else you could do with your network access - not only did mobile phones not have web browsers back then but we'd have to wait another year before we even had phones with WAP browsers (remember WAP?).

Possibly the first forerunner to the modern smartphone could be said to be the Nokia Communicator.  The first model, the positively huge Nokia 9000 (pictured left) had just launched the previous year in 1996.  This was again clearly the preserve of geeks, early adopters and IT professionals



It would be another ten years before the first iPhone would be launch, heralding the start of the modern smartphone era - a full 16 years after modern digital cellular services first launched, and a full 61 after the first ever commercial mobile phone service.  I know we're all impatient to see how Bitcoin will develop, but six years is not a long time.

roy
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are there any forlornness for bitcoin?
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Solution will occur soon.
Is price going up solution or demand of BTC

Solution is to wait.
vlc
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I know many of you that remember when it was nearly $1200 are not so bullish any more.... but really, if you look at the whole history of the price, we are in a bear-leg of a clear bull market.  At the end of April 2013 (when price was about $85) a very strong move began that peaked at the end of November 2013.  We are now testing the beginning of that move and have retraced about 80% from the peak.  It will be no surprise if it drops to about $200 from here. Then we'll see if it needs to go all the way to $85 before turning up again.  In the mean time, the technology is maturing well, the platform is universally seen as having great potential, those who thought they might have missed a great opportunity have another chance to get in on a technology trend not by luck ( like the first wave ) but with a strategy to ride the big wave that could be on its way now.
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This poses another question, if bitcoin fails what happens to the altcoins?
legendary
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Bitcoin is not a way to transfer currency.
sr. member
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No hope for Bitcoin. It's a failed currency, a failed payment system.

Credit cards does everything Bitcoin does -- only a lot faster, cheaper, safer and more user-friendly. The average Jane and Joe have no need for Bitcoin. That's why the price continues falling every day.
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