Isn't the phrase false equivalence itself a red herring?
No.
Topic: Is there any real difference in Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin? - page 4. (Read 5930 times)
September 30, 2015, 02:32:49 AM
No.
September 30, 2015, 02:29:15 AM
If you keep sticking to false equivalence fallacy then you won't ignite a constructive discussion. If your real intention is to troll, just let me know and I'll play with you in "post a funny meme" game. With pleasure.
Isn't the phrase false equivalence itself a red herring? I'm pretty sure red herring defense trumps false equivalence attack.
September 30, 2015, 02:05:55 AM
Bob and Vitalik, two different guys who believe their coins have no instrinsic value, selling you an IPO !
If you keep sticking to false equivalence fallacy then you won't ignite a constructive discussion. If your real intention is to troll, just let me know and I'll play with you in "post a funny meme" game. With pleasure.
September 30, 2015, 02:02:44 AM
Happening what?
Bob and Vitalik, two different guys who believe their coins have no instrinsic value selling you an IPO !
September 30, 2015, 02:01:14 AM
September 30, 2015, 01:48:08 AM
False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
"When he first stumbled on to bitcoin in 2011, it didn’t grab him (Vitalik). “I ignored it,” he says. “I thought it had no intrinsic value, so it had to fail.” Then, in 2013, just as he was about to lose interest in the thing, the price of bitcoin skyrocketed."
September 30, 2015, 12:35:35 AM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence:
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False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
September 29, 2015, 11:21:21 PM
i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B 
September 29, 2015, 10:47:25 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B
I Lol'd.
September 29, 2015, 10:44:46 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B
September 29, 2015, 10:39:39 PM
I think the answer will depend more on the success of Ethereum in the future. It will all depend on Buterin himself now. Stick to the project and make it a success with ETH going up and staying up or the project failing will probably satisfy lots of people from both sides of the argument.
Only time will tell.
Only time will tell.
September 29, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
This thread is a joke.
Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).
I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.
Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits
So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.
My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"
I suppose you could argue that the way they raised funding was similar (build large hype and then raise funds in an ICO or presale). Besides that I don't see much in common.
The amount of development work going into Ethereum has already surpassed the total development efforts of all Bobsurplus coins combined
So has the amount of money raised, right? Apples to apples...
September 29, 2015, 10:35:03 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
This thread is a joke.
Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).
I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.
Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits
So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.
My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"
I suppose you could argue that the way they raised funding was similar (build large hype and then raise funds in an ICO or presale). Besides that I don't see much in common.
The amount of development work going into Ethereum has already surpassed the total development efforts of all Bobsurplus coins combined
September 29, 2015, 10:32:03 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
This thread is a joke.
Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).
I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.
Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits
So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.
My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"
September 29, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.
What exactly is the difference here?
This thread is a joke.
Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).
I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.
Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits
September 29, 2015, 10:20:20 PM
Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this. What are they going to say? Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of). Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.
I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.
I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).
So you're basically saying Buterin had a malicious plan of scamming people out of their money from the beginning while keeping a front of a well meaning individual who's trying to create something great?
I answered on the other thread. I don't think most things in life are really black or white.
September 29, 2015, 10:17:19 PM
Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this. What are they going to say? Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of). Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.
I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.
I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).
So you're basically saying Buterin had a malicious plan of scamming people out of their money from the beginning while keeping a front of a well meaning individual who's trying to create something great?
September 29, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum
I just think we're doing a disservice to Bob. Too much praise and an almost cult like following is being given to Vitalik. Bob should be given speaking engagements as well.
lol. wtffff?
September 29, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum
I just think we're doing a disservice to Bob. Too much praise and an almost cult like following is being given to Vitalik. Bob should be given speaking engagements as well.
September 29, 2015, 10:03:52 PM
Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up...
I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this. What are they going to say? Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of). Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.
I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.
I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).
no opportunist is honest, they manipulate.
manipulate itself in my book is not honest.
"in a sense"
Everyone with half a brain (even a mouse-sized one) knows exactly what Bobsurplus is doing. Once that is true it becomes a big poker game. Manipulation in poker is not dishonest, it is part of the game.
i don't see poker player and crypto creator manipulate in an equal playing field, crypto creator control all the cards. i see only the full brain ones will get it
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