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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

If you are asking for 10-15% returns that seems possible but if you are asking for safety assurance, you only just fail. Because the truth is that when it comes to crypto investment, nothing has been safe. We might earn this month for this amount XXX but we can't assure that we can still earn the same in the next month. And this is because we are not controlling the market like in the situation where there is a pump this month and then followed by a correction, we can't really expect good profit but possibly losses.

And much more if you put your investment into exchanges. You are risking too much.

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Quote from: hugeblack on October 10, 2023, 06:48:30 AM

It is easy to get 10-15% ANY return rate, but the problem is that you will get that percentage in the form of altcoin and the value of this token/coin may decrease, or you may not be able to withdraw it, or it requires a large capital that makes the risk of losing everything very possible.

This reminds me of the exact same discussion with someone thinking high APY in some shitcoin is better than banks:

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One of the crypto's with interesting staking returns is #ICP¨, as it can give you uptill 28% APY (yearly).
Sounds better no?

Wake up people, before you end up poor!

We will speak end 2022 if your 1% bank interest was better than investing with 28% APY at a low of 17 (in this example..., is not the only project I am staking)

Time will tell

I nearly forgot about this till somebody pointed it out.

Seems like it's time to see the result:
So you had $17
- putting it in a bank with 1% you would have $17.17
- despite the last pump, your investment is currently $5.4 and with an APY of 28% is $6.92.
So not only you haven't made a profit but you also lost $10.08 of your investment of $17$

Probably a lesson that earning more money by just buying money doesn't work always how some wish it would.

At the moment the guy would have lost nearly half of his investment, right now he is even worse with his shitcoin being worth only $3.11 so despite the APY he would have ended right now with $5.1 versus the initial $17 and even $20 if we assume he would have got them invested in simple tok indexes.

Don't get tempted by high returns in shitcoins people, you will end up far worse than holding fiat, these are just printing machines on steroids.

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on October 10, 2023, 11:19:31 AM

If you want to invest in the long term, good Proof of Stake coins may be your choice if you have enough to reach the limit. Solana is the cheapest option, but stakingrewards is 7.13% +0.23%. The only problem is that you will be betting here that the price of Solana will not decrease.

Solana is that thing now worth 10% of its ATH? Grin

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Quote from: DanWalker on October 14, 2023, 05:22:31 AM

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I have a friend who is also staking, he bought ICP for 50$ in 2021, and he is staking at binance. But you can check ICP's current price, I don't think it can increase in price to help him recover his investment, let alone profit.

Unfortunately, this is the nature of high-risk investments such as cryptocurrencies. Your friend just hopes that IPC will ever reach the initial price again.
If this is the case, his staking investment has more than paid off, as IPC is still paying out very high percentages of coins through staking.

Basically, you should never be blinded by high APYs, they have a reason. Often the reason is quite banal, that the coin is highly inflationary ...

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Quote from: _act_ on October 10, 2023, 05:47:45 AM

I know of two coins which are Atom and Dot. You can stake them to earn. The APY for atom is 18% while the APY for dot is 15%. For the dot, the minimum amount that you can stake is 270 DOT. You can stake this two coins on noncustodial wallet that support their staking. There are other coins but which I can not advise anyone to go for.

Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Not your key not your coin.

I understand op didn't specify if he wanted apy on usd or whatever but I wouldn't consider staking alts to be a safe investment. One of my friend invested in $DOT during last bull run and put into staking and now his staking amount although has increased but dollar value is marvelously lower from what he invested.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 19, 2023, 07:01:12 PM

If a person does not want to take a risky option and the banks offer 4% to 5% where they live then they need to take that option, as there are many countries where the amount you can get out of banks is 1% or even less, but anyone that is looking for 10% or more in profits per year and wish to obtain those profits in a safe manner are simply wasting their time, as the only way that exist to get such high profits is by trading a market like this one or by investing in a good asset and hold it.

even though banks might seem quite interesting enough with the so called "safe" investment that gives annual return of 4-5% but one should know that if the inflation outweigh the interest, then you're simply losing your money or in other word losing the value of your money, many rich people out there always calling deposit isn't really that good because of the inflation and only profitable with huge chunk of capital reaching more than millions, if its just some measly a few thousand dollars most likely it won't impact anything.
but at least its safer than investing in other investment that fluctuates, at least you will get spared of losing your money instantly. even though you're still losing some money but only fraction of it.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Banks in my country offer now 4-5% return which is somewhat save and seem a lot for some people. But we need to take inflation into consideration, it doesn't make sense to keep money in the savings account with inflation at 6-8%. Annual returns of 10-15% seem like a reasonable target for active trading, but this is not going to be save. There is going to be considerable risk involved that could lead to short term loses. Any well diversified stock portfolio achieved 10% return over a long enough period of time, with crypto currencies the same is your possible. The only problem is if you need the money each year for other things you might be in trouble. The worst thing that could happen in trading is being forced to sell at unfavourable prices. I think the first step should be to determine how much risk you are willing to accept and then build your portfolio accordingly.

If a person does not want to take a risky option and the banks offer 4% to 5% where they live then they need to take that option, as there are many countries where the amount you can get out of banks is 1% or even less, but anyone that is looking for 10% or more in profits per year and wish to obtain those profits in a safe manner are simply wasting their time, as the only way that exist to get such high profits is by trading a market like this one or by investing in a good asset and hold it.

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Quote from: doomloop on October 11, 2023, 10:31:46 AM

Education is needed but it does not make the risk go away. It can only diminish it. Once he did that, he will be aware that many lending platforms and exchanges in the crypto world have already collapsed and there might be more to come. Even the banks are not safe too. They can also experience it.

I think it's better to just choose the one's that has a refund program. If not, just be very cautious and try to secure the profit once you already got them. Consistent returns are possible when it comes to these matters. We only need to learn more about the company that are offering it so that we know what to expect and the outcome won't shock us.

Yes true, the risk is all around us and the more you learn the more you realize that there are so many risks that you should avoid. I personally didn't know how much risk we had when I first started, I got lucky a lot of times, I could have easily invested into a lot of scam projects and a lot of places that got "hacked" and took peoples money, I never did but not because I was smart or anything, I didn't because I got lucky and majority of the time I didn't have money to put into them.

This should be important to many people and it shouldn't really be all that much of an important thing, and yet even with that type of risk, you could still find other stuff that could give you a good way to make some money. Maybe it's not all that simple, but it is not impossible neither. It's smarter if you could just keep it to yourself and not share it with anyone, get bitcoin, put it on a safe place, and hold it as long as possible is still the safest option out there.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Yes I think liquidity pools from decentralized casinos are rather safe or at least safer than CEX products and DeFi investments because they are both decentralized unlike CEX platforms and based on a proven solid business model unlike DeFi pumps and dumps schemes. With Azuro protocol you can make 15-18% APR so even higher in terms of APY rates.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on October 14, 2023, 04:44:13 AM

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So, for me, i think the only safe way to stake in cryptocurrency is by decentralized staking, there are still some decentralized staking that offer up to 10% APY, you can check Renec blockchain for example, you can stake Renec coin on renec blockchain for up to 10% APY, just same as it is with SOL on Solana blockchain.

But you will encounter another problem when staking with tokens or altcoins, which is its future value. There is no guarantee that the value of Renec or Solana will stabilize or increase in the future, if it is dumped or disappears, you will also suffer losses and lose all your capital. High APY is just a sophisticated trap that altcoins are creating to trick investors into investing in it for the long term. I have a friend who is also staking, he bought ICP for 50$ in 2021, and he is staking at binance. But you can check ICP's current price, I don't think it can increase in price to help him recover his investment, let alone profit.

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Briefly summarized: No, there is not.
Long-term major investors expect an annual profit of 3% on construction projects, for example, and anything above that is already considered utopian high profits. So if someone would tell you that there are ways to make 10-15% annual profits, it is most likely a scam (attempt).

However, what is entirely possible are staking rewards at this level. Chains such as Avalanche offered a little over 10% at the beginning of staking. The crux of the matter: You will of course get the rewards paid out in the respective altcoin, so your annual return calculated in USD depends heavily on how the altcoin performs in the overall market. If it falls - like now in the bear phase of the last 2 years - your annual profit is also gone.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

I will strongly advice against saving your money or crypto on centralized exchanges as this is very risky, if you are not new to crypto, you should know Bkex exchange, it used to be one of the most popular exchanges around, if you check this exchange, they are no longer processing withdrawals, this is if they are still online though.

I deposited and stake $440 dollars' worth of an altcoin that newly got listed on the exchanges as they were offering about 50% APY on every stake, I thought this to be a very good opportunity to earn some more of the tokens for free, I never knew it was my doom. 15 days after making the deposit and staking, the exchange stopped processing withdrawals, it's been over seven or eight months now, nothing from the team whether we will ever get our money back or not.

So, for me, i think the only safe way to stake in cryptocurrency is by decentralized staking, there are still some decentralized staking that offer up to 10% APY, you can check Renec blockchain for example, you can stake Renec coin on renec blockchain for up to 10% APY, just same as it is with SOL on Solana blockchain.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Banks in my country offer now 4-5% return which is somewhat save and seem a lot for some people. But we need to take inflation into consideration, it doesn't make sense to keep money in the savings account with inflation at 6-8%. Annual returns of 10-15% seem like a reasonable target for active trading, but this is not going to be save. There is going to be considerable risk involved that could lead to short term loses. Any well diversified stock portfolio achieved 10% return over a long enough period of time, with crypto currencies the same is your possible. The only problem is if you need the money each year for other things you might be in trouble. The worst thing that could happen in trading is being forced to sell at unfavourable prices. I think the first step should be to determine how much risk you are willing to accept and then build your portfolio accordingly.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Any attempt to try to get more money than what you currently have entails a risk and there is no way around it, especially since it seems that you only want to deposit your coins and get a high interest rate in return, an impossibility and if you actually try to pursue this goal then it is likely you will invest in a HYIP and get scammed.

Now if you are not afraid of working hard for months or even a whole year then you could become a trader, since traders can obtain those kind of benefits as long as their skills are good enough.

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honestly, its like crypto mining, while mining itself can be profitable, and many times not, there is almost always a profit in running a "mining pool", there are bigger investments and a little work, but dine properly, it works

so... likewise, the best position in trading is owning and/or running a service structure that profits, the investment is much bigger and there are legal challenges, but almost every crypto "service" can be so up and down, that the gedt get is provide tge service, i think that, other than freak investment returns, the highest profit out there is coin creation, byt ut requires a good amount of knowledge and a semi decent pc setup, that existing, people pay in the thousands for something like five hours of computer work, of which the coder puts in about an hour, i could be wrong about the numbers though

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Quote from: justdimin on October 13, 2023, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: leonair on October 12, 2023, 10:18:05 AM

Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Nothing is safe. If you stake your money then it will be controlled by someone else so your money will be completely at risk. In case of crypto remember not your key not your money. And in the case of banks, due to the presence of some documents and the control of the central bank, if a bank goes bankrupt, you will get some compensation, but you will not get the full amount. So even in this case it cannot be said that your money will be safe. If you want to profit then you must take risk remember no risk no gain. nexo, kucoin we know these are big companies but there is no guarantee that your money will be safe in there

That "it will be controlled by someone else" part is so important that people do not understand it well enough. You could use your money however you want yourself, giving the rights of it to someone else so they could use it to give you some return doesn't make sense to me. I mean it's YOUR money, why would you want someone else to take it from you and make more money. Even if we assume that they are legit, if they give you 10% return, do you think that they are not making more?

I mean if they take 100 dollars from you, turn that into 250, give you 110 back, that's 10% return for you, but without spending a dime, they made 140 dollars in profit. Does that make sense to you? I say go use your money yourself, that is a lot better, that way you would be able to take the full profit and will not need anyone else. It's not really that hard, you could learn whatever they have learned and make money that way without a trouble, should not be a big task.

the difficult thing with staking and why they are taking that huge chunk of profit is growing the money itself, would you be so sure that you can grow your own money by yourself? they've got the platform set up that is for the sole purpose of easiness in growing money.
I think its fair enough if they got some chunk of the profit without spending a dime because they offer service, its only unfair if their platform got hacked or something like that and they lost your money because of their mistake and don't want to give reimbursement because they think they're not responsible.
though everyone could have their own opinion in this regard.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Haha, you might want to check out this post about getting secured with both dex and cex. So you know how to start your journey

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62971784

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Quote from: leonair on October 12, 2023, 10:18:05 AM

Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Nothing is safe. If you stake your money then it will be controlled by someone else so your money will be completely at risk. In case of crypto remember not your key not your money. And in the case of banks, due to the presence of some documents and the control of the central bank, if a bank goes bankrupt, you will get some compensation, but you will not get the full amount. So even in this case it cannot be said that your money will be safe. If you want to profit then you must take risk remember no risk no gain. nexo, kucoin we know these are big companies but there is no guarantee that your money will be safe in there

That "it will be controlled by someone else" part is so important that people do not understand it well enough. You could use your money however you want yourself, giving the rights of it to someone else so they could use it to give you some return doesn't make sense to me. I mean it's YOUR money, why would you want someone else to take it from you and make more money. Even if we assume that they are legit, if they give you 10% return, do you think that they are not making more?

I mean if they take 100 dollars from you, turn that into 250, give you 110 back, that's 10% return for you, but without spending a dime, they made 140 dollars in profit. Does that make sense to you? I say go use your money yourself, that is a lot better, that way you would be able to take the full profit and will not need anyone else. It's not really that hard, you could learn whatever they have learned and make money that way without a trouble, should not be a big task.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

Safe? Everyone is looking for that but too unfortunate that we can never find it here in crypto investment. We can possibly earn more than the amount that local banks can offer to us but if we are looking for safe assurance, crypto seems to be not the right place to stay. Crypto investment has been known not for its profit potential but also because of its volatility and risk. Dare not to try if you are afraid to lose because it is useless to invest when the later part you will sell your investment at a loss.

But if you have to force yourselves then I would suggest just buying Bitcoin only, not altcoins.

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Quote from: zigger33 on October 10, 2023, 04:09:56 AM

is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 % - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

If we are talking about APY%, that is possible and depends on the coins you choose. Now, if that's what you mentioned, Nexo or Kucoin, I don't know yet which coins are listed on their platform that give 10–15% apy.

But I advise you, just from my point of view, that if you have knowledge of crypto trading, maybe it's better to do that, or if you are too lazy to do trading, there is another option: there is also copy trading, especially now that there is something like that on Binance just recently. Try to research what I am saying.

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